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Old February 27th, 2014, 11:41 PM   #2681
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Old February 27th, 2014, 11:43 PM   #2682
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Old February 28th, 2014, 10:08 AM   #2683
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These look terrible. especially this last one. They look almost like movie set facades.
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Old February 28th, 2014, 02:27 PM   #2684
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Old February 28th, 2014, 05:31 PM   #2685
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Old February 28th, 2014, 05:35 PM   #2686
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New Houses - Belper, Derbyshire, UK














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Old March 1st, 2014, 08:46 PM   #2687
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Nothing special here, really a bit boring but at least they used the right materials. The Ely/Cambridgeshire development is far superior and much more interesting IMO.
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Old March 1st, 2014, 10:52 PM   #2688
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Well it is better that it isn't special but tasteful than special in a wrong way.
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I'm sorry dude but your being a bit of a whacko. First of all this is Viennese architecture at its best. In Vienna they have a long tradition of this architecture so they will stick to it, even if it is expensive. Second, Baku and the rest of the word is not Vienna. We also don't live in the 19th century. Modern construction techniques are cheaper and faster thus more cost effective in Baku and other places. Plus there is also the concept of EVOLUTION. Are you really asking the whole world to get stuck in the 19th century because the "proportions" of their architecture appeal you YOUR EYE? Like a dictator you are IMPOSING YOUR WILL on others because of your personal preferences. What you call "proper proportions" is simply your own personal habituation. You grew up with that style and when you first noticed it at 10 11yrs old it left an "impression" in your mind. You really liked it so to this day you think it is the best. Great! It is the best for you, but not all of us grew up with the same influence, so we like other things. There is nothing wrong with "evolving" architecture and adding modern elements to 19th century styles. It's just the way the world works, things change over time. You are perfectly free to live in a 19th century neighborhood if that is what you like, but stop bashing others for having different preferences than you. And that is what this is, PERSONAL PREFERENCE, and your attempt at justifying YOUR PREFERENCE as some sort of "mathematically quantifiable esthetic" that is superior, is pure bullshit. The human mind is molded by "habit". Your personal esthetic perceptions are the end result of your "habitual experience" of the neighborhood you grew up in, and trying to pretend that that gives you an elite right to judge others is nonsense.

You have every right not to like whatever you don't, but there is no such thing as "correct architectural esthetic". If we are talking about engineering, different story, but when it comes to "art" it really is in the eye of the beholder. I don't like all the examples posted on here either, but so what, it is mostly personal preference. The only architecture that is "WRONG" is poorly engineered structures that could collapse and cause harm to its inhabitants. Everything else is a matter of personal taste, and no one human on here has "better taste" than another.
What harsh words, but they show pretty much that you missed the point.
You made a personal thing of what defintiely isnt.

At first i dindnt even want to answer you, because you disqualified yourself for this discussion with your first sentences. But so what! I wont leave the field to someone like you!
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First of all this is Viennese architecture at its best. In Vienna they have a long tradition of this architecture so they will stick to it, even if it is expensive.
No, its not. Some of the examples are from Vienna, but i could have posted some from Berlin, Hamburg, Cologne, Prague, Warsaw and you would'nt even recognize a difference. More specific central Europe has a long tradition in those Buildings cause they developed here. And they dont stick to it at all. You'll hardly find a historicist developement in Vienna these days.
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Baku and the rest of the word is not Vienna
I agree to that, but Baku had strong econmicaly boundings to Europe and for that a lot of european architecture found its way into the city. Thats the reason they start building those Neohistorocist buildings today. They have a tradition, and they want to show there boundings to their european past that seem to get some sort of glorification with those developements.
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Modern construction techniques are cheaper and faster thus more cost effective in Baku and other places
Yes, they are. As you stated before, we're not living in 19th anymore and so we can use our technological achievements. I never ever said anything against modern construction techniques. I am an architect, i use them every day But modern techniques can not be an excuse to build abominations. In fact modern techniques should help you in building right the oposit way, even with historicist designs. CAD, automated carving, 3d printing makes it a lot more easy but you still need to know how to put them into good use. Its not just like if you use them your building is of right proportions or build in a right way. After all, architecture is all about proportion. Its a key thing to architecture and by ignoring it you do wrong. Its not a thing of my personal taste!
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If you adore historic architecture and want to build in that way, you have to use the rules that are basic to create such buildings. That doesnt mean that there is no way of evolving architecture. Architecture has evolved a lot, but has always sticked to some basic rules that didnt changed to much over the centuries. Klassik -> Romanesque -> Gothic -> Renaissance -> Barock -> Historism(in all its Forms) -> Jugendstiel -> Modernism(in all its Forms). Thats a history of evolving architecture. There had been innovations and breaks but still they used the same principles of architecture. Even Corbusier, Van der Rohe, Poelzig, an all the others who "created" Modernism and changed architecture like no one before sticked to the same basic proportions orginated in classic rules. Architecture is evolving, but its not like evolution. The principles of evolving architcture and evolution are different. Simplified, Evolution creates something new out of basic "elements" and sorts out what does not work with most of it is just coincidence. Architecture is borowing elements of older designs playing with them and orders them in a new way, but still uses the whole "element" without much adjustment so that they might still stick together in a more linear way. Its not coincidental its selective.
Modernism had been the big cut where a lot of elements got "fougt off" but as i mentioned before it still used the basic rules of proportion in a scaled down way.
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You grew up with that style and when you first noticed...
I dont know where you come from, but yes, you're abolutely right about that. We all grew up that way. I grew up with those stiles but its not just because i have the ability to see a lot of those stiles that make up for my "opinion". I work with architecture, modern and historic for years now. I have as a personal hobby around 7000 (and growing) historic building plans. So i could say my eye is trained on architecture itself and the way it developed. Most of the people, even the ones that have the same souroundings like me doesnt have that sort of "training". So of course if have my own opinion of architecture and what might be called personal preferences. You would be surprised if you would know them, they are in no way just of Historism. But what i said about proportions and the use of historic designs is "not my personal habituation!"
In a simple way it could be said that those designs that dont fit the rules are using the scaled down proportions of modernism with their cubature and construction while ornament etc. unchanged. This will never end in a harmonic building at all, its just not possible and often if they try to do so, they fail because they dont have the proper knowledge, or for another important point the investor doesnt want to pay for the right proportions and so we end up with what we get to often!

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You have every right not to like whatever you don't, but there is no such thing as "correct architectural esthetic". If we are talking about engineering, different story, but when it comes to "art" it really is in the eye of the beholder. I don't like all the examples posted on here either, but so what, it is mostly personal preference. The only architecture that is "WRONG" is poorly engineered structures that could collapse and cause harm to its inhabitants. Everything else is a matter of personal taste, and no one human on here has "better taste" than another
I hope i could clarify to you that there is something that is "correct architectual esthetic" even when it is some sort of an "Art".

Actually i dont know why you chose especially me for your fighting. I never stated that i have a better taste than somewone else, all i did is mentioning that some of those buildings that try to emulate historic building are out of the proportions that define historic buildings and therefor dont look right.
The other point is that i am one of the more moderate people here. On that background your attack on me seems a bit exxegerated, doesnt it?

But thanks anyway

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Modern construction techniques can be an obstacle to achieving good traditional design when used by an amateur. Arched openings can be placed too close to a corner, cornices can be too large, columns can be made too skinny, all because modern construction consists of lightweight frame construction with a thin brick veneer or stucco skin over.
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St. Austell Urban Village = Cornwall, UK (Built 2007)










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