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Old April 16th, 2012, 10:57 PM   #341
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Parque Cidade Jardim, São Paulo (would rather see a completely classical building, but this is better than concrete boxes I see everywhere).
This type of building became very popular in the last ten years but this is the best example (would you pay USD10mi to live in a building like this?



In Campos do Jordão, a winter city in the state of São Paulo, buildings are still built in a "germanized" style, although not very accurate:



This building, Palácio Boa vista, in Campos do Jordão, was actually finished 50 years ago, but, given how old this style is, I believe is worth mentioning, especially for being in the sourthern hemisphere:

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Old May 3rd, 2012, 02:09 PM   #342
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Parque Cidade Jardim, São Paulo (would rather see a completely classical building, but this is better than concrete boxes I see everywhere).
This type of building became very popular in the last ten years but this is the best example (would you pay USD10mi to live in a building like this?

I think it looks strange, and has little to do with classical architecture except for some misplaced ornaments. It´s more of a huge shopping mall with on top six skyscrapers with some kind of old roof on top. If I had that money, I could consider spending it on a luxury apartment like this, but also on something that fits my taste more. But when you live in it, you don't have to look at it But then I could also build my own house, which is even better.

I think it's a misconception that a design like this stands opposed to cheap or boring boxy architecture. Because all I see is some grand luxury project, when such a huge investment is made there is such a huge variety of designs possible.

But I would love to see real picture of projects like this, even if the design is a failure, then it's still interesting to see what kind of decisions the designers made. Could you post them?
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Old May 3rd, 2012, 05:46 PM   #343
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This thread is on the status of construction work in São Paulo, and you will find some others too.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...87415&page=202

A "neighbor" to Parque Cidade Jardim is Cidade Jardim Corporate, in the middle of this page:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...87415&page=159

That same thread might have other pictures of both, but a better idea of the neo-neoclassical boom in São Paulo is this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcwF1ItrCmg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/santa-sampa/2781581223/
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However, if you take a thread of São Paulo with the neighborhoods of Vila Nova Conceição, Ibirapuera and Perdizes you will find many others

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Old May 3rd, 2012, 06:12 PM   #344
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Paraná

Now, this is, in my opinion, one of the best examples of reconstruction of traditional architecture at least in the southern hemisphere. Perhaps not in terms of size, but of originality



It´s in the neighboring state of Paraná, in a city called Londrina (Londoner), which, although is not in São Paulo, some say is an extension of it

More images here:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...=625167&page=8
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Old May 3rd, 2012, 11:06 PM   #345
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Thanks WalPaulista
The classical architectural language and highrise always had a troubled relationship. The solution in early New York was based on upscaling traditional townhouses. (That is: decorated base - shaft - and decorated crowning/capital). It was later on that those buildings evolved into giant pinnacles, but even those evoke a likewise order, or at least refer to church towers.

Most of European(minded) architects back then didn't even consider it real architecture, but just a kind of commercial excess. I think nowadays most architects agree that those buildings are quit elegant and the architectural solutions weren't that bad. There is off course a chance that I'm again blinded by convention and therefore cannot see the actual quality.

I seriously think that buildings like above are a mess and except for the silly roof have nothing to do with classical design. Even though the roof evokes a little bit of a classical order. The problem nowadays is that residential highrise demands balcony's and a lot of glass surface and those elements don't belong in the classical language. That's a challenge, but then I still think the designer did a lazy job. Just place a finger on top of the roof, then you'll easily see through the cheap trick.
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Old May 3rd, 2012, 11:49 PM   #346
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Ps. Don't get me wrong, I actually think this is interesting. The world is full of architecture that's less then brilliant, it has always been like that and for some reason everything that has the right age becomes charming.

And I think it's fun to see the evolution in fashions. Those roofs fascinate me, they're like a stubborn remnant from the past we can't get rid of. Like our genes still contain information of our predecessors, but that doesn´t has a function anymore.
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Old May 4th, 2012, 04:28 AM   #347
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Old May 5th, 2012, 04:02 AM   #348
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Here is the recently completed Armenian Cathedral complex of Moscow.






Good photos are unfortunately scarce. Anyone been able to find anything?
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That is just beautiful!!!!!!
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The classical architectural language and highrise always had a troubled relationship. The solution in early New York was based on upscaling traditional townhouses. (That is: decorated base - shaft - and decorated crowning/capital). It was later on that those buildings evolved into giant pinnacles, but even those evoke a likewise order, or at least refer to church towers.

Most of European(minded) architects back then didn't even consider it real architecture, but just a kind of commercial excess. I think nowadays most architects agree that those buildings are quit elegant and the architectural solutions weren't that bad. There is off course a chance that I'm again blinded by convention and therefore cannot see the actual quality.

I seriously think that buildings like above are a mess and except for the silly roof have nothing to do with classical design. Even though the roof evokes a little bit of a classical order. The problem nowadays is that residential highrise demands balcony's and a lot of glass surface and those elements don't belong in the classical language. That's a challenge, but then I still think the designer did a lazy job. Just place a finger on top of the roof, then you'll easily see through the cheap trick.
I agree these towers are not good architecture but I have to admit they at least partly relieve the banality of the typical rectangular box which litters all the Brazilian cities and is so thoroughly boring. The problem is that we no longer seem to have the talented architects that so brilliantly incorporated "traditional" architectural styles into high rise buildings so successfully in the U.S.A. at the beginning of the 20th. c.
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Some new photo's from the Dutch new town of Brandevoort in the municipality of Helmond.

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This last picture is of the masterplan for the area. Everything right of the red line has been built or is under construction, everything left of the red line is still in the planning phase.

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The recently completed "South Hall" at the University of Michigan Law School.






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This one was a surprise for me. I had no idea it was being built. This is the recently completed Tuscaloosa Federal Building and Courthouse.






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That is amazing, very nice and accurate Dorian style.

I love this whole thread with few exceptions. Honestly I even prefer kitsch attempts at historical styles
over some of the lifeless modern architecture of our day (I love some modern architecture btw, but most of the time it lacks expression).
The lack of shape, romance, atmosphere and expression of some modern architecture has ruined the face of many European cities.
I honestly prefer ugliness over lack of any character or gesture.

I also have a weakness for kitsch themepark architecture, especially that of "The Efteling".
But I think they don't really fit the purpose of the thread, right?

I really hope this new wave of post-neo architecture will hit Holland some time!
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I don´t know how seriously you take the subject of genetic inheritance, but you see, I was born in the eighties, but no one had to tell me to pay attention to that old ruining architecture in the most "classical" areas of São Paulo when I was just 14.

But I accept any criticism on those building because of course, they are better than utilitarian architecture, but the reason they build like this is that deep inside they have the intention of building something with a soul but are afraid of being criticized by those socialist-minded people that see a need of exhibitionism in any attempt to express beauty.

And you know what? Perhaps exhibitionism is what clients want really, or els they would ask for a better design. I just think that in times of enlightenment retrofit will be made everywhere to reflect the nature of more right-brained people.
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Leonidas

This is a city in the state of São Paulo colonized by the Dutch, but the Dutch influence on architecture is really small:

Just posting out of curiosity:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1509369

I believe that in less than 10 years time they might well start building in a more accurate style to make the city more attractive.
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Is there something I´m missing. This ARE plain boring grey boxes with balconies. And if they try one thing, it´s not having the intention to built something with a soul, but make money in the easiest way possible.
If you ask me the problem is that the designers of these towers didn't even try. Seriously it's just generic bulk real estate and it's just the roof that gives it some kind of traditional touch. Classical design isn't about adding things like roofs or ornaments. It's about things like proportions, symmetry, putting the right elements on the right place, that's why the roofs look silly and less-is-more also counts for classical architecture. And classical architecture isn't even that hard to design. If this is the way they try to please people in São Paulo, imagine what smashing success they have when it's well designed.

Ps. I don't see the link with left/right wing politics, sounds a bit too USA'ish to me. Maybe it's a local polarized political situation in which parties took position.
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