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Old December 3rd, 2014, 10:32 AM   #4481
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Ismailovo Kremlin, Moscow, Russia (2007)
When I first saw a photo I thought it was built along with the original Moscow Kremlin.
But it looks absolutely fake (like a setting for a not very expensive movie or, more likely, theatrical show) and doesn't try to cover it up. How could one be mistaken?
This "Kremlin" is basically a shopping and entertainment center in the city outskirts, so it's a sort of analogue of Disneyland and Vegas pavillions. I'm not sure it deserves to be qualified as "architecture" in the first place. Although it might be interesting as a rather creative attempt to implement the fairytale appearance of imagined (and probably never existed up to this scale) old Russian kremlins and mansions (terems) - but so do some Disneyland buildings.
By the way, the equally crazy structures in Yoshkar-Ola were built "for real", with straight faces, as a part of a new city center. That is awful.
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Old December 3rd, 2014, 07:08 PM   #4482
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To me it doesn't look any less fake than this:


Are they really that different?


I bet if the exact same design was built 300 years ago it would be heralded as one of the great masterpieces of Europe.
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Old December 3rd, 2014, 08:15 PM   #4483
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Are they really that different?
They are very different, trust me. Original and fake never can be mistaken if you have trained eye for this certain style. For example, I probably couldn't see difference between ancient hindu tempe after restoration and a good modern stylization, but only because I'm not familiar enough with this architecture. But I never have any doubt to distinguish true historical russian style, late 1890's neo-russian historicism and modern attempts to copy them, 'cause I see any of them almost every day.


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I bet if the exact same design was built 300 years ago it would be heralded as one of the great masterpieces of Europe.
300 years ago exactly same design just can't be built.
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Old December 4th, 2014, 02:30 AM   #4484
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So what seems out of place in the second one?
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Old December 4th, 2014, 10:10 AM   #4485
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So what seems out of place in the second one?
The top parts of towers and buildings, first of all. Look at these attic windows in the red and white terem roof, for example, or at the upper floors of the left tower and especially of the gate towers. The porch was elaborated better than other parts but even there the disgustingly plain middle platform ruins it all.
As for St. Basil's, it was made of brickstone, it can be seen (although the recent restoration has overdone it a little, "glamourizing" the building; in earlier photos the cathedral looked more "real"). I don't know exactly what was Izmailovo "Kremlin" made of, but it looks like plywood and plastic. The details are rough: it's OK for a theatre when you look at the scene from afar but not appropriate for city buildings.
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Old December 4th, 2014, 10:19 AM   #4486
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I bet if the exact same design was built 300 years ago it would be heralded as one of the great masterpieces of Europe.
Here i agree with Chimer: it just couldn't have been built back then this exact way. But, yes, we can fantasize, why not. Then I'd say that this assumption could be made about every building in this thread, even the ugliest of them. Our perception of architecture (and art in general) is connected tightly with our notion about the period of its creation.
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Old December 6th, 2014, 05:29 AM   #4487
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The Changchun Engineering School is a poor copy of McKim Mead & White's Columbia University Low Library. Notice how the walls of the attic (above the main cornice) are out beyond the face of the pilasters making it appear top heavy. Here is the original McKim Mead & White building below.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ty_8-11-06.jpg
Maybe they didn't want to copy it 100%, because that would indeed be a blatant rip-off rather than something that could pass as inspiration.
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Old December 6th, 2014, 05:50 AM   #4488
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The top parts of towers and buildings, first of all. Look at these attic windows in the red and white terem roof, for example, or at the upper floors of the left tower and especially of the gate towers. The porch was elaborated better than other parts but even there the disgustingly plain middle platform ruins it all.
I don't see it. I think you guys are nitpicking on a beautiful set of buildings.

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I don't know exactly what was Izmailovo "Kremlin" made of, but it looks like plywood and plastic. The details are rough: it's OK for a theatre when you look at the scene from afar but not appropriate for city buildings.
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I think the exterior is a type of stucco, which was used for hundreds of years throughout Europe.
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Old December 7th, 2014, 11:05 AM   #4489
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So what seems out of place in the second one?
It's quite a long story. Before we go into details and decorations, we should talk about the complex composition in general.
What we can see here? It supposed to imitate late medieval fortress. The first function of such complex in that age is defense. When you look on any original fortress, you can clearly see it. Look at Moscow Kremlin. It was great defensive power for that time. Even now it offer some decent protection - not against modern weapons of course, but against rioting mob with stones and some hand weapons - it can be still usefull (btw, this is the reason why our rulers from Lenin to Putin do not want to transfer their residence to some other place, more suitable for modern administrative use). You can feel the power in the walls and the towers.

Look at Novodevichy Convent:

Even if the primary function is not military, you still can see - these walls isn't just for show. It was really build to endure the siege.

So, if you would like to imitate such buildings really good, you should think like medieval architect. You should think where your archers will be positioned, and where you can put ballistas and cannons, and how the towers should protect each other, about the lines of fire and many other things, which basicaly nobody understand well in our modern world. That's why this task is very hard.

If you look at this Izmailovo "Kremlin", at the first glance you can see it can't provide any protection. Well, there are tower and walls, but they made just for show and every detail screams about it. Who in medieval age will make such windows so low in walls and tower? For what? To help enemy get inside? Who needs merlons, if you can't hide behind them? And so on...

It's the main reason why this complex looks so fake. It's just about the function which the form doesn't follow. Just like Cinderella Disney Castel - it's quite nice, but still fake like plastic toy, because towers are just too slim to actually have some usefull space in them.

P.S. Sorry for such large post, I'll go into decorative details next time if it's still interesting...
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Old December 7th, 2014, 01:04 PM   #4490
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Old December 7th, 2014, 01:08 PM   #4493
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Old December 7th, 2014, 05:01 PM   #4496
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Old December 7th, 2014, 07:32 PM   #4497
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Old December 7th, 2014, 10:07 PM   #4498
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Old December 8th, 2014, 12:09 AM   #4499
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That Chinese hotel is insanely beautiful, a few years of weathering and it will look fantastic, like something out of Montreal.
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