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Old December 12th, 2014, 04:04 AM   #4521
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OMG no no and no again!! Looks more like one of those o.t.t. efforts in one of the former Soviet Republics. A real mess I'm afraid - "Traditional Style" - definitely not!
Yeah, when I saw this one I instantly thought: Okay, another vulgar kitsch palace for a Ukrainian/Russian/Azerbaijani nouveau riche. Then I saw, it was Canadian and was like:
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Yeah, when I saw this one I instantly thought: Okay, another vulgar kitsch palace for a Ukrainian/Russian/Azerbaijani nouveau riche. Then I saw, it was Canadian and was like:
Maybe it belongs to some immigrant from Eastern Europe or former USSR?
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I probably should have edited down the article, but it encapsulates a lot of arguments for traditional architecture. Maybe this a sign of change in the profession of architecture. From today's New York Times:

Rebuilding Architecture

IN architecture, everyone’s a critic. One of us, Steven, was recently driving down Elliott Avenue in Charlottesville, Va., his hometown, with his 88-year-old mother. They passed a house designed and built by architecture students at the University of Virginia. To Steven, an architect, this model for affordable housing — a tough pair of stacked boxes, sheathed in corrugated metal — was a bold design statement. But to his mother’s eye, the house was a blight on the landscape, an insult to its historic neighbors.

“It looks like somebody piled a couple of boxcars on top of each other, then covered them up with cheap metal and whatever else they could find at the junkyard!” she said.

It’s easy to dismiss Mrs. Bingler as an unsophisticated layperson. But that’s the problem: For too long, our profession has flatly dismissed the general public’s take on our work, even as we talk about making that work more relevant with worthy ideas like sustainability, smart growth and “resilience planning.”

We’ve confronted this problem before, with the backlash against what was seen as soulless modernism in the 1960s and ’70s. But our response, broadly speaking, was more of the same, dressed differently: postmodernism, deconstructivism and a dozen other -isms that made for vibrant debate among the professionals but pushed everyone else further away. And we’re more insulated today, with an archipelago of graduate schools, magazines and blogs that reinforce our own worldview, supported by a small number of wealthy public and private clients.

The question is, at what point does architecture’s potential to improve human life become lost because of its inability to connect with actual humans?

In 2007 Steven’s firm, Concordia, was one of 13 invited to New Orleans by the Make It Right Foundation to create prototypes for sustainable, affordable homes in the Lower Ninth Ward, a neighborhood devastated by Hurricane Katrina. Early in the process, Make It Right’s founder, Brad Pitt, invited a few returning residents to critique the designs, most of which tried to take a basic form, the single-family home, and squeeze it into the latest style, with little consideration of local needs or the local vernacular architecture. The residents weren’t impressed, and asked perfectly logical questions: What’s with the flat roofs — you know it rains a lot here, right?

Architecture, of the capital “A” variety, is exceptionally capable of creating signature pieces, glorious one-offs. We’re brilliant at devising sublime (or bombastic) structures for a global elite who share our values. We seem increasingly incapable, however, of creating artful, harmonious work that resonates with a broad swath of the general population, the very people we are, at least theoretically, meant to serve.

Thus, a paradox: While architects design a tiny percentage of all buildings, our powers of self-congratulation have never been greater. Although the term “starchitect” has become something of an insult, its currency within celebrity culture speaks to our profession’s broad but superficial reach. High-profile work has been swallowed into the great media maw, albeit as a cultural sideshow — occasionally diverting but not relevant to the everyday lives of most people.

This might be acceptable if our only role were to serve those able to afford our services. And the world would be a drearier place without Fallingwater, the Guggenheim Bilbao and the Sydney Opera House. The problem isn’t the infinitesimal speck of buildings created by celebrity architects (some arresting, some almost comic in their dysfunction), but rather the distorting influence these projects have had on the values and ambitions of the profession’s middle ranks.

We’ve taught generations of architects to speak out as artists, but we haven’t taught them how to listen. So when crisis has called upon our profession to step up — in New York, for example, post-9/11, and in New Orleans after Katrina — we have failed to give the public good reason to trust us. In China and in other parts of Asia, Western architects continue to perform their one-off magic, while at the same time repeating many of the urban design catastrophes of the previous century, at significantly larger scales.

Architecture’s disconnect is both physical and spiritual. We’re attempting to sell the public buildings and neighborhoods they don’t particularly want, in a language they don’t understand. In the meantime, we’ve ceded the rest of the built environment to hacks, with sprawl and dreck rolling out all around us.

It wasn’t always like this. For millenniums, architects, artist and craftspeople — a surprisingly sophisticated set of collaborators, none of them conversant with architectural software — created buildings that resonated deeply across a wide spectrum of the population. They drew on myriad styles that had one thing in common: reliance on the physical laws and mathematical principles that undergird the fundamental elegance and practicality of the natural world.

These creative resources transcend style. They not only have wide aesthetic appeal, but they’re also profoundly human, tied to our own DNA. They’re the reason both Philip Johnson and the proverbial little old lady from Dubuque could stand beneath the Rose Window at Chartres and share a sense of awe.

To get back there, we must rethink how we respond to the needs of diverse constituencies by designing for them and their interests, not ours. We must hone our skills through authentic collaboration, not slick salesmanship, re-evaluate our obsession with mechanization and materiality, and explore more universal forms and natural design principles.

Not all architects are equally proficient at producing seminal work. But we do have access to the same set of tools and inspirations. And let’s be honest: Reconnecting architecture with its users — rediscovering the radical middle, where we meet, listen and truly collaborate with the public, speak a common language and still advance the art of architecture — is long overdue. It’s also one of the great design challenges of our time.
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This has this thread's name written all over it

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/16/op...=tw-share&_r=0

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How to Rebuild Architecture

By STEVEN BINGLER and MARTIN C. PEDERSENDEC. 15, 2014

IN architecture, everyone’s a critic. One of us, Steven, was recently driving down Elliott Avenue in Charlottesville, Va., his hometown, with his 88-year-old mother. They passed a house designed and built by architecture students at the University of Virginia. To Steven, an architect, this model for affordable housing — a tough pair of stacked boxes, sheathed in corrugated metal — was a bold design statement. But to his mother’s eye, the house was a blight on the landscape, an insult to its historic neighbors.

“It looks like somebody piled a couple of boxcars on top of each other, then covered them up with cheap metal and whatever else they could find at the junkyard!” she said.

It’s easy to dismiss Mrs. Bingler as an unsophisticated layperson. But that’s the problem: For too long, our profession has flatly dismissed the general public’s take on our work, even as we talk about making that work more relevant with worthy ideas like sustainability, smart growth and “resilience planning.”

We’ve confronted this problem before, with the backlash against what was seen as soulless modernism in the 1960s and ’70s. But our response, broadly speaking, was more of the same, dressed differently: postmodernism, deconstructivism and a dozen other -isms that made for vibrant debate among the professionals but pushed everyone else further away. And we’re more insulated today, with an archipelago of graduate schools, magazines and blogs that reinforce our own worldview, supported by a small number of wealthy public and private clients.

The question is, at what point does architecture’s potential to improve human life become lost because of its inability to connect with actual humans?

In 2007 Steven’s firm, Concordia, was one of 13 invited to New Orleans by the Make It Right Foundation to create prototypes for sustainable, affordable homes in the Lower Ninth Ward, a neighborhood devastated by Hurricane Katrina. Early in the process, Make It Right’s founder, Brad Pitt, invited a few returning residents to critique the designs, most of which tried to take a basic form, the single-family home, and squeeze it into the latest style, with little consideration of local needs or the local vernacular architecture. The residents weren’t impressed, and asked perfectly logical questions: What’s with the flat roofs — you know it rains a lot here, right?

Architecture, of the capital “A” variety, is exceptionally capable of creating signature pieces, glorious one-offs. We’re brilliant at devising sublime (or bombastic) structures for a global elite who share our values. We seem increasingly incapable, however, of creating artful, harmonious work that resonates with a broad swath of the general population, the very people we are, at least theoretically, meant to serve.

Thus, a paradox: While architects design a tiny percentage of all buildings, our powers of self-congratulation have never been greater. Although the term “starchitect” has become something of an insult, its currency within celebrity culture speaks to our profession’s broad but superficial reach. High-profile work has been swallowed into the great media maw, albeit as a cultural sideshow — occasionally diverting but not relevant to the everyday lives of most people.

This might be acceptable if our only role were to serve those able to afford our services. And the world would be a drearier place without Fallingwater, the Guggenheim Bilbao and the Sydney Opera House. The problem isn’t the infinitesimal speck of buildings created by celebrity architects (some arresting, some almost comic in their dysfunction), but rather the distorting influence these projects have had on the values and ambitions of the profession’s middle ranks.

We’ve taught generations of architects to speak out as artists, but we haven’t taught them how to listen. So when crisis has called upon our profession to step up — in New York, for example, post-9/11, and in New Orleans after Katrina — we have failed to give the public good reason to trust us. In China and in other parts of Asia, Western architects continue to perform their one-off magic, while at the same time repeating many of the urban design catastrophes of the previous century, at significantly larger scales.
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Architecture’s disconnect is both physical and spiritual. We’re attempting to sell the public buildings and neighborhoods they don’t particularly want, in a language they don’t understand. In the meantime, we’ve ceded the rest of the built environment to hacks, with sprawl and dreck rolling out all around us.

It wasn’t always like this. For millenniums, architects, artist and craftspeople — a surprisingly sophisticated set of collaborators, none of them conversant with architectural software — created buildings that resonated deeply across a wide spectrum of the population. They drew on myriad styles that had one thing in common: reliance on the physical laws and mathematical principles that undergird the fundamental elegance and practicality of the natural world.

These creative resources transcend style. They not only have wide aesthetic appeal, but they’re also profoundly human, tied to our own DNA. They’re the reason both Philip Johnson and the proverbial little old lady from Dubuque could stand beneath the Rose Window at Chartres and share a sense of awe.

To get back there, we must rethink how we respond to the needs of diverse constituencies by designing for them and their interests, not ours. We must hone our skills through authentic collaboration, not slick salesmanship, re-evaluate our obsession with mechanization and materiality, and explore more universal forms and natural design principles.

Not all architects are equally proficient at producing seminal work. But we do have access to the same set of tools and inspirations. And let’s be honest: Reconnecting architecture with its users — rediscovering the radical middle, where we meet, listen and truly collaborate with the public, speak a common language and still advance the art of architecture — is long overdue. It’s also one of the great design challenges of our time.
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Two new timbered houses in Sweden. Both are new but built according to old drawings:
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Early modernist/Streamline Moderne revival in Leipzig. Completed 2014
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Art Nouveau used to be called 'modernist'

The streamline style is from the same era as art deco, so if the former is not traditional neither is art deco.
Streamine Moderne architecture is sometimes considered to be part of art deco
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It's a fine building. Not so sure about the color but I am guessing something brighter would not fit in with the local buildings.
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Its kind of Functionalism
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Very nice, and Oman's Architecture, and the mosquees., looks pretty impressive !
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Art Nouveau used to be called 'modernist'

The streamline style is from the same era as art deco, so if the former is not traditional neither is art deco.
Streamine Moderne architecture is sometimes considered to be part of art deco
I'll have to disagree 110% with that. It looks awfully modern. Furthermore, I find the age old excuse that whatever was "modern" in the past can be considered traditional later. For example, I'd consider most of the Beautiful Art Deco Buildings of the Later half of the 1920s to be traditional, as opposed to much of the early futurist stuff which came 10 YEARS BEFORE art deco (and no, I don't consider much of this ugly streamlined crap real art deco.
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Before designing any type of building one can must know about the architectural designing of metal roof as it plays an important role in building design and provides a required strength to the building.
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High resolution: https://dmsasparchment.files.wordpre...on-cutting.jpg


High resolution: https://dmsasparchment.files.wordpre..._1433_adj1.jpg

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Great work in my opinion. The details are quite impressive as can be seen by first image. I do suggest taking a closer look at the high resolution version of the first image I posted. They seem to have avoided most of the mistakes that many modern traditional architects seem to make. Then again I have come to expect nothing less from DMSAS (David M. Schwarz Architects). Just about every building they have produced has been spectacular.
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I'll have to disagree 110% with that. It looks awfully modern. Furthermore, I find the age old excuse that whatever was "modern" in the past can be considered traditional later. For example, I'd consider most of the Beautiful Art Deco Buildings of the Later half of the 1920s to be traditional, as opposed to much of the early futurist stuff which came 10 YEARS BEFORE art deco (and no, I don't consider much of this ugly streamlined crap real art deco.
It is a revival of a historic 1930s style and nobody can change that. Opinions don't change age. I reckon most average people would also think it's a historic building.

It fits perfectly well with these buildings, which are actually from the 1930s.



If you think streamline-moderne isn't a historic style, you're deluding yourself. Nobody builds it anymore except for the odd revivalism here and there.
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