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Old August 15th, 2012, 12:40 AM   #441
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Asians are doing better than countries of European descent but who despise beautiful architecture.
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Old August 15th, 2012, 12:59 AM   #442
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Old August 15th, 2012, 01:43 AM   #443
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I think most of the members of this forum could draw a better proportionate building than 70% of the buildings shown in this topic. Man what has gone wrong with architecture studies. Is there no eye for aestethics anymore?

This looks really amateur, it's like they asked a random local to decide how the facades should look. It's so sad to witness such a pathetic architectural confusion. I rather see a decent, confident modern building, than these doubtful attempts at something that seems to be out of reach for the architect.
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Old August 15th, 2012, 01:55 AM   #444
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I think most of the members of this forum could draw a better proportionate building than 70% of the buildings shown in this topic. Man what has gone wrong with architecture studies. Is there no eye for aestethics anymore?

This looks really amateur, it's like they asked a random local to decide how the facades should look. It's so sad to witness such a pathetic architectural confusion. I rather see a decent, confident modern building, than these doubtful attempts at something that seems to be out of reach for the architect.
I agree. It is unfortunate that architecture shools quit teaching traditional design, causing a generational gap in the education and training. This is the result!! Architects are now trying to learn classical architecture on their own, and most are producing this type of stuff.
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Old August 15th, 2012, 04:13 AM   #445
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But the decorations are already there! they are just the wrong sizes, in the wrong places. Look at the Siam Nakarin Department store. All those golden moldures, butchered corintian columns and overnumbered modillons, they are there but they don't look good. I bet any architect could design a more elgant building in classical style with half the details and better proportions than what's shown there.

Take this reconstruction (from Leipzig - Revitalization of Germanys Gründerzeit capital). Very sober design+perfect proportions (at least in the detailing) = Beautiful



Over the top detailing+wrong proportions= tacky

I agree, Leipzig its a good example of very smart reinterpretation, not copy not looks fake, to integrate an ornament must have full knowledge what are the basics and classic design that not only applies in architecture. the New architects are afraid to fall in bad taste, but is much easier from a point set in contemporary architecture, a glass box, to use the aesthetic elements containing beautiful classic architecture, even play with them, creating something beautiful and eclectic. should not be a copy but a reinterpretation.
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Old August 15th, 2012, 05:39 AM   #446
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the New architects are afraid to fall in bad taste
That might be true... but then, why do they do it? take those newly posted buildings from Macedonia... guess that architect confronted his fears, because his buildings turned out as tasteless as they come. Architects either don't design classical architecture, or go out of their way to make their "reinterpretations" as disgusting as possible.
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Old August 15th, 2012, 06:39 AM   #447
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That's subjective, the buildings in Macedonia are nice but lack of a total order. A good example is the building of St. Petersburg; its beautiful, cumple su simetria, orden, volumen etc..

I repeat the new architects are afraid to fall in bad taste, and i mean old and new school have a severe trauma to the Bauhaus, and what Mies van der Rohe said "less is more" but he also said ·God is in the details" the details may have ornament, and good use of new materials using ancient techniques. so not only will listen to what suits them whether they will use the foundation of functionalism and minimalism.

The point is not reinterpret copy is to use the concept, twist it, smash it, then create a good work of art.
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That's subjective, the buildings in Macedonia are nice but lack of a total order. A good example is the building of St. Petersburg; its beautiful, cumple su simetria, orden, volumen etc..

I repeat the new architects are afraid to fall in bad taste, and i mean old and new school have a severe trauma to the Bauhaus, and what Mies van der Rohe said "less is more" but he also said ·God is in the details" the details may have ornament, and good use of new materials using ancient techniques. so not only will listen to what suits them whether they will use the foundation of functionalism and minimalism.

The point is not reinterpret copy is to use the concept, twist it, smash it, then create a good work of art.
I completely agree... but go tell that to the architects!

Here's a great example (IMO) of a great "reinterpretation" of the orders. The Palladium in Indiana:



It's not a copy of any ancient style, it even has a leaning for art deco, without totally dismissing classical style. And yet, its elements are all in proportion; everything is simple and understated, but with great craftmanschip and attention to detail. That's what architects should be trying to achieve.
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Old August 15th, 2012, 01:56 PM   #449
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This is an interesting thread, I was wondering, is that Greek writing on this building? Doesn't Marcedonia(n) use the cyrillic alphabet?
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It's Macedonian Cyrillic: Археолошки Музеј на Македонија = Archaeological Museum of Macedonia.
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I completely agree... but go tell that to the architects!

Here's a great example (IMO) of a great "reinterpretation" of the orders. The Palladium in Indiana:



It's not a copy of any ancient style, it even has a leaning for art deco, without totally dismissing classical style. And yet, its elements are all in proportion; everything is simple and understated, but with great craftmanschip and attention to detail. That's what architects should be trying to achieve.
Very nice example that is what must be done
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Here is a good video found on Youtube showing good examples of recently built traditional buildings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4FwNqrHvak&feature=player_embedded
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I agree. It is unfortunate that architecture shools quit teaching traditional design, causing a generational gap in the education and training. This is the result!! Architects are now trying to learn classical architecture on their own, and most are producing this type of stuff.
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what i dont understand is that dont these architects themselves realize how ugly what they build looks? lol


if its hard for them to design them by themselves, they can just take proportions and similar designs off already existing buildings
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That might be true... but then, why do they do it? take those newly posted buildings from Macedonia... guess that architect confronted his fears, because his buildings turned out as tasteless as they come. Architects either don't design classical architecture, or go out of their way to make their "reinterpretations" as disgusting as possible.
exactly, that architecture in skoplje looks as ultimate kitsch, and everyone who is somehow professionally related to architecture will confirm that, i guess only so called macedonia experts think that they are growing beautiful architecture there. do they live on some isolated island? it is real shame that they didnt reconstruct some old buildings as they really were, instead of desinging this catastrophic new buildings...
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what i dont understand is that dont these architects themselves realize how ugly what they build looks? lol


if its hard for them to design them by themselves, they can just take proportions and similar designs off already existing buildings
It is hard to say whether they can tell how ugly the designs are or not. Without the proper education they struggle getting the design right, never getting close. At some point the production of the drawings must move forward and construction must begin. With the proper education it becomes much easier to design traditional buildings. An entablature, for example, which is the main spanning element that spans across the columns and includes the cornice, is usually 1/4 the height of the columns. In some of these examples it is obviously much bigger. The entablature is divided into 3 components, architrave, frieze and cornice, each of which also has their own individual components. When an architect varies from this, the result is what we see here, a kind of caricature of a traditional building, not a real traditional building. The analogy of a building's entablature to a human face can be made, therefore it is very much like comparing a cartoon character's face and facial features with a real human face. We know human faces very well, so it is easy to recognize that an eye is much more than a large white circle with a small off center black circle within. Without the education, architects don't recognize the regular components that are suppose to be present in there designs, so they don't know to include them.
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It is hard to say whether they can tell how ugly the designs are or not. Without the proper education they struggle getting the design right, never getting close. At some point the production of the drawings must move forward and construction must begin. With the proper education it becomes much easier to design traditional buildings. An entablature, for example, which is the main spanning element that spans across the columns and includes the cornice, is usually 1/4 the height of the columns. In some of these examples it is obviously much bigger. The entablature is divided into 3 components, architrave, frieze and cornice, each of which also has their own individual components. When an architect varies from this, the result is what we see here, a kind of caricature of a traditional building, not a real traditional building. The analogy of a building's entablature to a human face can be made, therefore it is very much like comparing a cartoon character's face and facial features with a real human face. We know human faces very well, so it is easy to recognize that an eye is much more than a large white circle with a small off center black circle within. Without the education, architects don't recognize the regular components that are suppose to be present in there designs, so they don't know to include them.
I'm sure architects know these things, IT'S ON FREAKIN' WIKIPEDIA! there's absolutely no excuse for them to design so badly. Even if they don't see at least a bit of this subject in architecture school (which I'm almost sure they do), it's no rocket science to find out about it....

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