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Old January 14th, 2016, 03:30 PM   #6841
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Why? The left and right are actually pretty good.
It's like a caricature of French Second Empire architecture which in itself was already somewhat bombastic. And the bases look like they are trying to emulate what you would see on the riverside of the Seine or something. And to top it all off they are not even good examples of the aforementioned. It's the same Eastern European French inspired crap that we have been seeing for years.
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Old January 15th, 2016, 12:43 AM   #6842
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Ja, somehow it feels like a blend of French and Russian Empire Style plus Stalinism on speed.
Impressive for sure, but objectively rather bad architecture. Ornaments and details like the turrets, oriels and cupolas are totally off, let alone the overall proportions.
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Old January 15th, 2016, 09:27 AM   #6843
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Overall proportions arent that bad at all, what is right is, that it just a bit too much for the ornametaion. But thats not unusual for original russian buildings of that era. If you look at it with western european premise you're of course right. But you shoould look at it with the original russian assumtion of west european historicism and for that its not bad at all!
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Old January 15th, 2016, 11:33 AM   #6844
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They seem cheaply built (yet obviously they are pricey) and pastiche, like something you'd find in Vegas or Skopje at best.
Or in some Chinese copycat settlement. Under the premise of reproducing Western historicism they fail as well, much more so than the 19th century examples.

We've seen good quality recent neogothic/-renaissance mansions in Moscow's outskirts that were faithful to western styles and proportions.

Compared to the mediocre-attempted Kazan stuff, I greatly prefer Russian Revival that should come back in a dignified manner asap:


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...mnov_House.jpg


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https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:GUM_Moskau2.jpg


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Today's architects should learn to built like that again, and from there develop/evolutionise the styles. Just like Art Nouveau, Art Deco, Modernisme, Expressionism etc. did.
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Old January 15th, 2016, 12:59 PM   #6845
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Overall proportions arent that bad at all, what is right is, that it just a bit too much for the ornametaion. But thats not unusual for original russian buildings of that era. If you look at it with western european premise you're of course right. But you shoould look at it with the original russian assumtion of west european historicism and for that its not bad at all!
Oh, no. Please don't insult Russian architecture of the 19th century (which was of uneven quality, of course) by comparing with that crap. It's a lame excuse for bad architecture (and bad art overall) to say that it is actually OK but from some specific (eastern, southern, etc.) point of view. Bad is bad both in the West and in the East. Hundred years ago Russians knew it.
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Old January 15th, 2016, 01:09 PM   #6846
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Ja, somehow it feels like a blend of French and Russian Empire Style plus Stalinism on speed.
Can't see any glimpse of Russian Empire Style actually. The idea was surely to imitate French beaux-arts style and yes, Stalinist traditions have cast their shadow on these buildings as well. Overall, it's plain bad. The only kind of excuse is that... we have even worse!
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Old January 15th, 2016, 06:30 PM   #6847
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Don't be so purist!
Those buildings in Kazan are certainly not cheaply built they attempt and they succeed to be artistic even if blattlement is oversized and are awfully painted.

Of course there are overcharged and a mix of different styles, but how come you approuve that truly cheap gypsum board Concord City Hall and criticize this?

Come on! Concord City Hall is supermarket architecture.

You still don't understand Russian architecture spirit.

This is an old building in Kiev, Ukraine:



These are new buildings in Kiev:



This is how they are constructed:









This is a XIX century building in Moscow:



This is an old church in Moscow:



This is an old reconstructed palace:



This is the building in Kazan and IT'S CONSTRUCTED THE SAME TECHNICS of Kiev's ones:





Yes, battlement is oversize and it's too charged for average western taste, but it's arty. Is much better than any Mc-CityHall.

Myself, with my western mindset, formated by French all-white rational architecture use to see Italian ochre cities as not beautiful. Prague and Karlovy Vary used to look like pastiches to me. Not to say last Ottoman palaces or whatever had eastern influences; but then I opened my mind and can appreciate it and got to understand it.
I hope you can do the same.

Anyways, I have to confess that I would have preffered those Kiev buildings without paintingor stucco or at least with clearer colours, and so for the Russian explample. Is a personal limitation. But of course I don't leave in that wheather, nor have that coulourful tradition.
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Old January 15th, 2016, 10:25 PM   #6848
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Don't be so purist!
This is an old building in Kiev, Ukraine:

What the heck..?!?
I can't decide if I love or hate this thing!
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Old January 16th, 2016, 11:35 PM   #6849
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New carpentry (2015) and personel dining hall at Castle Gunnebo near Gothenburg. The carptentry is just one of many new classical buildings in the castle area like the under construction Orangery.











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Those Parisian type ones are odd, but I actually like them! The Concord City Hall looks bland during the day but awesome at night.
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Old January 18th, 2016, 02:34 PM   #6852
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I like both the Kazan and Kiev buildings.

Are those buildings in Kiev built on the outskirts or in the centre?
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Old January 18th, 2016, 08:15 PM   #6853
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What the heck..?!?
I can't decide if I love or hate this thing!
"Old building?" How old? I don't accept that it is 19th or early 20th c unless it's been completely altered (bastardized) !
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Old January 18th, 2016, 08:25 PM   #6854
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I'd consider this as neo-classical and something entirely different as 'traditional' in the sense of vernacular, but I agree it's fabulous. Simple, no overbearing decoration, quite monumental and certainly not picturesque, but it works in context and seems like it's there for a hundred years. Well, if the execution lives up to the visualisations, of course.

No need to quote the pictures though (or 1 would be sufficient)! Thanks Cameron.
It actually looks a bit like Neo-classical meets Art Deco (The upper section in particular is reminiscent of many buildings of the 1930's) However it works because it's been well thought out and the proportions are perfect, unlike those hash-ups in China and some former Soviet Republics.
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Old January 18th, 2016, 08:57 PM   #6855
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Why? The left and right are actually pretty good.
Well, you are an architect. You do know your stuff...
I, as a designer, who also studied art (including classical architecture), would say they are indeed awful examples and the best word to describe them would be "Kitsch".

I knew they were Russian (or Ukrainian) pastiche the moment I laid eyes on them... Which is never a good sign.
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Old January 19th, 2016, 10:05 AM   #6858
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Tiaren, of cause they have their flaws, but in comparison to what we usually get as "traditional" these arent that bad!

As i said, its in the eye of the beholder. From a "Russian" viewpoint theyre better than from a western european, but that also counts for the buildings Erbse Posted
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"Old building?" How old? I don't accept that it is 19th or early 20th c unless it's been completely altered (bastardized) !
Open your mind!!!!

It's a 1901 house by genius Władysław Horodecki.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C5%8...82aw_Horodecki

I can't understand how so many people who does big deal around Gaudi's sand-castles don't have enought sense of order to apreciate this.

I think most purists, as well as modern architecture integrists, don't have sense of order at all; they just can apreciate things if are in line with their acquired taste. Is not personal. I'm not talking about you. I'm just thinking.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_with_Chimaeras
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Old January 20th, 2016, 10:03 AM   #6860
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Your right, but thats mostly because of their lifelong conditioning. Its what you get used to see while growing up and therefor find appealing.

I personally grew up in Germany and so i like central european implementation of styles the most, cause i got used to them. I too love french architecture, but i find that french cities have way more similarrities to each other than german ones. In other words, on a first look they almost look nearly the same. Same with british and anglo-american architecture. Its mostly beautifull, but it feels that there are fewer "styles" at all so the architecture is way more uniform than central european architecture. The russian adaption of central european stiles is very often strange to look at, because russians have a different appeal to detail their buildings. Its more like a "more is always better" aproach, and this is often done with simplified filigree in comparison to western european detailing which in the end often looks more archaic. So i find the more western attemps in russia more beautifull than the actually "russian style" examples. And thats not a sign of "not appreciating" that sort of architecture.
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