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Old July 11th, 2016, 11:03 PM   #7601
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Thanks for posting, I guess but it is truly disgusting. It is actually beyond disgusting that I have no words to describe how horrible it is.
Bad attempt at trolling. You're way too obvious.

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Old July 11th, 2016, 11:04 PM   #7602
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Old July 11th, 2016, 11:16 PM   #7603
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Thanks for posting, I guess but it is truly disgusting. It is actually beyond disgusting that I have no words to describe how horrible it is.
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Nah, it is objectively kitsch.

I can't understand why some of you feel forced to think absolutely everything built in your country or near your country has to be good architecture and everything built in countries you do not like is bad. I can accept many buildings in my country are horrible and disgusting, won't deny that, and I know many other regular posters of this thread think the same.

Notice there's a big difference between good architecture, and architecture you like. Also a great difference between bad architecture and architecture you dislike.
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Old July 11th, 2016, 11:19 PM   #7604
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Indeed, it's completely flawed. Not even a proper attempt, just a fail. Sorry.

Jeez, it's not that hard, learn the basics and master them, dammit!
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Old July 11th, 2016, 11:40 PM   #7605
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Germans tasteful? That`s a novelty....If we in Holland find something grey,boring or bourgeois we say it is "Duits"...

And kitch? Their king Ludwig invented it!
Please keep your xenophobia to yourself and spare us of your useless existance. Thanks!
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Old July 11th, 2016, 11:44 PM   #7606
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The first ones are mc mansions, and are indeed not typical for germany but of course still exist. The latter ones are just of "mediterranean stile" which reached some polularity during the early 2000's. One could find them beautifull or not but they are'nt bad examples at all.
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Old July 11th, 2016, 11:57 PM   #7607
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Indeed, it's completely flawed. Not even a proper attempt, just a fail. Sorry.

Jeez, it's not that hard, learn the basics and master them, dammit!
Erbse, you're right, this is not a good example, but your wrong if you make the attempt to presume classical greek architecture to the design. Its more referring to the iranian architecture, which has greek influence in the details but is of different proportions


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Old July 12th, 2016, 12:00 AM   #7608
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Nah, it is objectively kitsch.

I can't understand why some of you feel forced to think absolutely everything built in your country or near your country has to be good architecture and everything built in countries you do not like is bad. I can accept many buildings in my country are horrible and disgusting, won't deny that, and I know many other regular posters of this thread think the same.

Notice there's a big difference between good architecture, and architecture you like. Also a great difference between bad architecture and architecture you dislike.
Nobody said it is classical architecture, so you can not judge it as classical architecture. Just because someone thought it is and therefore posted it here, doesn't make it classical. Therefore, in this specific case, the building can not be compared to other new buildings in classical architectural style. It is in an entirely different category. Furthermore, the section I highlighted in your post is also applicable to him.

I appreciate your explanation though and agree on everything else you've pointed out in your objective and informative post.

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Old July 12th, 2016, 12:19 AM   #7609
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No offense, but it's actually the exact other way around. It's Western countries, especially the UK and US (with some renown traditional architecture schools) but also the Netherlands and Germany that have the most tasteful, classically inspired architects and architecture. Not every project in Eastern Europe is of bad taste (there are indeed some very nice ones, especially faithful reconstructions) but I'd argue most of them are, disregarding classical harmony and conventions completely, as long as there is enough stucco and putti and gold. We had some discussions about this in this and the predecessor thread. In German there is even a word for that kind of architecture: "Russenkitsch" The Kiev examples on this page are a prime example.
I am sorry, but I don't agree. I think the posts from Eastern European countries are very good, with a few exceptions.

On the other hand, there have been plenty of mediocre building postings from Western-Europe that received a lot of upvotes, which I found very surprising. Example (Dusseldorf);



How is this more classical or authentic than the buildings constructed in EE? Maybe I am overlooking some technical things, but I have seen and lived in plenty of cities with classical architecture around the world, and this sure as hell doesn't look classical to me.
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Old July 12th, 2016, 12:33 AM   #7610
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@Tolbert: I won't answer you here because I don't want to ruin this thread for Tiaren (or anyone else) again, but if you want to discuss this further you can pm me.
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Old July 12th, 2016, 12:51 AM   #7611
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I am sorry, but I don't agree. I think the posts from Eastern European countries are very good, with a few exceptions.

On the other hand, there have been plenty of mediocre building postings from Western-Europe that received a lot of upvotes, which I found very surprising. Example (Dusseldorf);



How is this more classical or authentic than the buildings constructed in EE? Maybe I am overlooking some technical things, but I have seen and lived in plenty of cities with classical architecture around the world, and this sure as hell doesn't look classical to me.
This Cyaxares, is a very beautifull example of early modernism inspired architecture you find throughought europe and is absolutely flawless!
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Old July 12th, 2016, 12:54 AM   #7612
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We have so many of those in Turkey. Especially in Istanbul and Izmir.
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Old July 12th, 2016, 12:59 AM   #7613
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Old July 12th, 2016, 02:41 AM   #7614
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I am sorry, but I don't agree. I think the posts from Eastern European countries are very good, with a few exceptions.
It was already mentioned in this thread...but just because you or I like something, it doesn't mean it is objectively good (classical) architecture. There are actually rules and order to classical architecture. Since antiquity. To it's proportion, composition, decoration etc. These conventions stayed in it's very core true throughout the ages in Greek, Roman, romanesque, gothic, renaissance, baroque, neoclassicism, historicism, art nouveau, art deco etc. architecture styles. Examples like this one you said you like...



...completely disregard these conventions in many ways.

We've had this many times in this thread, so please excuse me, if I'm too weary to dissect in detail what's wrong with this building according to classical architecture conventions.
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Old July 12th, 2016, 02:50 AM   #7615
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How is this more classical or authentic than the buildings constructed in EE?
Yilmaz Guney, the ones in EE are mostly cheap knockoffs and they have no respect to classical proportions and building techniques. On the other hand the ones in Germany are the examples of mostly minimalist early modernism and they respect the ideology of classical architecture way more than the kitsch eye sores in EE. So it is not always about a pediment or a balustrade. Sometimes, the ideology behind a design determines its classification. The ones in EE are not even classical. They are just cheap plaster-made exterior lifts on concrete. Nothing more.

I don't think you understand any of that due to your lack of knowledge in this matter. Perhaps, you should consider reading a few books about classicism instead of wasting your time on Kurdish ultra-nationalism in various threads.
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Old July 12th, 2016, 02:25 PM   #7616
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Old July 12th, 2016, 03:39 PM   #7617
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Perhaps, you should consider reading a few books about classicism instead of wasting your time on ultra-nationalism in various threads.
And that comes from a Turk who has posted many, many insulting ultra-nationalist statements on this forum (e.g. ''Kurds are terrorists''). Perhaps you should read a book on the Armenian Genocide and your nation's history regarding its other minorities before making such ignorant statements in the future .

Also typical that you call me a nationalist, while it was you who turned this discussion into a political one .
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Old July 12th, 2016, 04:01 PM   #7618
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Get out with the politics! We have skybars and the PM feature for this stuff. Thanks!
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Old July 12th, 2016, 09:20 PM   #7619
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Old July 12th, 2016, 09:38 PM   #7620
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We have so many of those in Turkey. Especially in Istanbul and Izmir.
That's possible, early modernism was fairly popular throughtout Central Europe as well as the Balkans, so it wouldn't surprise me if this specific historal style was a common sight in various Turkish cities. When it comes to a variety of recent projects in Eastern Europe that are supposed to be "traditional", they're mostly out of proportions. There's a number of rules set in the antiquity and these rules define traditional (European) architecture. When I look at various Eastern European projects I can't help myself but to get the idea that the architects responsible for such projects either aren't aware of said rules or decided to ignore them altogether.
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