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Old September 7th, 2017, 12:41 AM   #9081
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Old September 7th, 2017, 01:35 AM   #9082
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Gorgeous!

Art Nouveau/Jugendstil/Secession is imo the one architecture style that unifies classical architecture, modernism, beauty, practicality and imagination best. It should be the prevalent modern architecture style.
What went wrong...? *sigh*
I agree. Its emphasis on natural motifs and lines, as well as its inclination towards asymmetry meant that Art Nouveau was a remarkably varied style. No two buildings look quite alike. it's such a perpetually interesting style that never fails to surprise me.

Shame that it went out of fashion quite quickly. Those buildings that weren't destroyed in the war were often later the subject of demolitions.
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Old September 7th, 2017, 03:18 AM   #9083
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Not a bad modernist building, but typically horrible post-war urban planning.
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Old September 7th, 2017, 10:27 PM   #9085
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Old September 7th, 2017, 11:03 PM   #9086
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Interesting read. Although the fact that so many architects, planners, and designers -- who probably did not have PTSD or horrific war experiences -- glommed onto this style, suggests other factors at work. I think the misguided association of ornamented with hierarchical (undemocratic) societies is as compelling a reason for the obsession with bland building design. And then there is what I assume to be the cheapness of undifferentiated blank walls and acres of plate glass.
The Irony of that is that Classical Architecture is usually representative of THE BIRTHPLACE OF DEMOCRACY. So that kinda makes their "point" obsolete.

Also, since some people here seem to be overreacting to accusations of people having mental issues, I will point out that I have actually suffered from trauma at times, and noticed my sense of being able to discern aesthetically good architecture from bad architecture actually waxed and waned in a way that directly correlated with my own mental health. What I found out later, was that a region of my mind which I know i have had problems with (orbitofrontal cortex) is actually associated with recognizing beauty.

If anything, because I have suffered from similar mental health issues, I am BEYOND certain that this is what many of the major modernist madmen of the 20th century were dealing with as well.
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It's a damn shame how much of the Chicago stuff is replacing gorgeous old Victorian buildings for McMansions.

However, it's good to see some of the replacements are of some sort of quality.
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Also, since some people here seem to be overreacting to accusations of people having mental issues, I will point out that I have actually suffered from trauma at times, and noticed my sense of being able to discern aesthetically good architecture from bad architecture actually waxed and waned in a way that directly correlated with my own mental health. What I found out later, was that a region of my mind which I know i have had problems with (orbitofrontal cortex) is actually associated with recognizing beauty.

[...] I am BEYOND certain that this is what many of the major modernist madmen of the 20th century were dealing with as well.
I really have to disagree. The idea that nearly 4 generations of architects all suffered from that same branch of mental illnesses is simply absurd. This also ignores the fact that a lot of modernist architects have the mental capabilities to enjoy both modern and classical architecture.

I think the problem with modernism is that at its conception it was seen as representative of a nearly utopian (and definitely idealistic) future that would be free of pestilence, war, and disorder through advances in science and technology (these notions are apparent in retro-futurism). This desire for cleanliness and order –a breakaway from the past chaos and war of Europe and the world generally– was exacerbated after the horrors of World War Two and went from 'clean' to 'sterile'. This is why the best examples of modernism are (IMO) found before the 1940s and why the modern buildings of today are so often seen as unhuman and cold.

Likewise, the notion of being 'cutting edge' and 'innovative' is also inherently imbued in the idea of modernism. This too lies in its inception as a then very Avant-garde and radical style that pushed boundaries and rejected centuries of Architectural norms. This idea stroked the egos of the 'cultured man' in the early 20th Century.

I think that idea that 'architects design buildings to impress other architects' is especially true today, and 'groundbreaking', 'innovative', and 'radical' all seem to be buzzwords that modernists get off on.

You could also talk about how the austerity of modern design suited and was moulded by new-age capitalism post-WWII, but that would a very lengthy discussion.
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I really have to disagree. The idea that nearly 4 generations of architects all suffered from that same branch of mental illnesses is simply absurd. This also ignores the fact that a lot of modernist architects have the mental capabilities to enjoy both modern and classical architecture.
The original article concerned itself with the neurological disorders which gave rise to the genesis of modernism. It made no mention of persistent mental illness afflicting the contemporary architecture community. The modernism movement of the early 20th infiltrated and entrenched itself into the higher education system, with the result being successive generations of students educated in a system based on flawed ideologies.
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Old September 8th, 2017, 07:59 PM   #9096
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Has a tad of the McMansion, sadly enough. That window in the double-height living room has no place in traditional British Isles architecture. The railing, too, smacks of garbage suburban developer house dressed up like a Scottish baronial castle.
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Old September 8th, 2017, 09:24 PM   #9097
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This realy is some serious bullshit!

I rather think the author of that "article" has some mental desease
Not bullish at all. It makes perfect sense if you understand neurophsychology. It may be a hard pill to swallow but it is real. A lot of unique and creative people are so because of some sort of "disorder". They are "abnormal" because if they were "normal" they would have done nothing different or significant. It's where the whole concept of the "tortured artist" comes from. Almost every great artist of the past had a torturous life, some committed suicide, and most were generally miserable. Before the 20th century psychology wasn't even a concept, but now we can look back and "diagnose" these people based on our current much deeper understanding of the brain and it's neurophsychology.
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I really have to disagree. The idea that nearly 4 generations of architects all suffered from that same branch of mental illnesses is simply absurd. This also ignores the fact that a lot of modernist architects have the mental capabilities to enjoy both modern and classical architecture.

I think the problem with modernism is that at its conception it was seen as representative of a nearly utopian (and definitely idealistic) future that would be free of pestilence, war, and disorder through advances in science and technology (these notions are apparent in retro-futurism). This desire for cleanliness and order –a breakaway from the past chaos and war of Europe and the world generally– was exacerbated after the horrors of World War Two and went from 'clean' to 'sterile'. This is why the best examples of modernism are (IMO) found before the 1940s and why the modern buildings of today are so often seen as unhuman and cold.

Likewise, the notion of being 'cutting edge' and 'innovative' is also inherently imbued in the idea of modernism. This too lies in its inception as a then very Avant-garde and radical style that pushed boundaries and rejected centuries of Architectural norms. This idea stroked the egos of the 'cultured man' in the early 20th Century.

I think that idea that 'architects design buildings to impress other architects' is especially true today, and 'groundbreaking', 'innovative', and 'radical' all seem to be buzzwords that modernists get off on.

You could also talk about how the austerity of modern design suited and was moulded by new-age capitalism post-WWII, but that would a very lengthy discussion.
You are hyperextending the idea. The article was about the "invention" of modernism. Why it came about, not who likes it or dislikes it now. Most people are afraid to step out of the box. They are afraid their peers would ridicule or reject them so MOST humans follow the status quo. That's why it is usually the "crazy ones" that sing rock and roll, or rap, or do things that society generally finds "offensive". But once the people get over "being offended", usually a generation later, then they can find things to appreciate and the "crazy people" are now considered "brilliant" for their innovations. You can see that in every facet of life, from art to architecture, science to business concepts, even pornography and attitudes towards sex. So of course today many like modern architecture, because we have a choice.

And yes, modernism took off because of the industrial revolution. Millions of former farmers now needed both a home and a factory for economic reasons, and modernist architecture is the easiest way to build en masse and cheap. So unfortunately this is why modernism is now so controversial. We are suffering from a bit of modernism overload, and many of us long for more classic beauty. That doesn't mean many modernist structures are not beautiful, we're just saturated with them. We want something new, and ironically "the old is now the new", since artistic buildings are so rare now, while 90% of new construction is all modernist, and usually of the worst kind.
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The Catholic cathedral in Kosovo’s capital has been consecrated to the saint formerly known as Mother Teresa of Calcutta.

Kosovo President Hashim Thaci and religious leaders from Kosovo and Albania were among the hundreds of people in Pristina who attended a consecration ceremony on Tuesday for the landmark, now named St Teresa Cathedral.

The Italian-style cathedral with two 70-meter (230-foot) towers opened in 2010. Local Catholics had long hoped it would bear the name of the nun who dedicated her life to society’s outcasts.

More: http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news...a-of-calcutta/
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