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Old April 3rd, 2013, 08:47 PM   #1281
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how do you distinguish cheap and not cheap? Cheap Materials or just a mix of styles? I wouldn't consider the Ritz-Carlton or Vendome as cheap materials. Perhaps its not true to being Art Deco? Or a certain style as being authentic? The buildings shown in the Old Parkland complex for example have a historic designation and have to stick to a strict aesthetic code. There are several such districts in Dallas like Munger Place where any new home has to be built aesthetically to original aesthetic and materials of the original neighborhood. Is that the standard? Just trying to understand how this is determined from pictures. Especially because any detail can be the result of a mould or stencil. Stonework on some of the structures shown that are being lauded can easily be stenciled in concrete.
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Old April 4th, 2013, 12:00 AM   #1282
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how do you distinguish cheap and not cheap? Cheap Materials or just a mix of styles? I wouldn't consider the Ritz-Carlton or Vendome as cheap materials. Perhaps its not true to being Art Deco? Or a certain style as being authentic? The buildings shown in the Old Parkland complex for example have a historic designation and have to stick to a strict aesthetic code. There are several such districts in Dallas like Munger Place where any new home has to be built aesthetically to original aesthetic and materials of the original neighborhood. Is that the standard? Just trying to understand how this is determined from pictures. Especially because any detail can be the result of a mould or stencil. Stonework on some of the structures shown that are being lauded can easily be stenciled in concrete.
It becomes difficult to distinguish the more academic traditional work from the more amateurish traditional work, especially when expensive materials such as cut limestone is used. Here's some simple observations that can be applied:

1. PROPORTIONS: Academic traditional work will have good proportions. That is the major components and minor components will share similar proportions such as 1:1, 1:2, 2:3, 1:1.314 (sq root of 2) and 1:1.618 (the golden rectangle). Amateurish traditional work will have window openings that look too squat, or too wide, columns that are spaced too far apart, dormers on roofs that are too big, and most especially with houses entrances that are much too grand.

2. UNDERSTANDING OF THE CLASSICAL ORDERS: Academic work will employ the classical orders with all the correct components, and at all the proper size in relation to each other. Amateur work will create cartoon-looking or caricatures of the classical orders. Cornices, instead of having all the proper components, will often be depicted as a collection of randomly chosen moulding profiles, or sometimes just a large, oversized cyma recta (crown) moulding without all the other relevant components.

3. UNDERSTANDING OF TRADITIONAL CONSTRUCTION: Buildings are now clad in a stone veneer or brick veneer, or they will have a stucco finish that is applied to lath attached to lightweight framing. Buildings clad in stone, brick or stucco must be designed to look like they could have been built out of traditional load bearing techniques. Arches should never be located near the corner of a building. If built from traditional techniques, these arches would fail from the lack of mass needed to resist the arches' lateral thrust. Academic work will locate arches away from corners despite the fact that the arches may be a thin veneer on frame construction. Similarly, the entablature should be in the same plane as the column or pilaster faces, otherwise the load (if executed in solid masonry) would over burden the columns/pilasters below.

4. SIMPLICITY VS OVERLY COMPLEX: Academic work will often be simple compositions, or will strive for simple solutions. Amateurs, for example will have multiple cornices at staggered various elevations when a single cornice across the entire facade at one elevation would suffice. Similarly, amateurs will have a greater variety of window types, as if they are trying to show off how many window types and treatments they can conceive of.

It might be a good idea to look at books that explain the classical orders and their components, and then compare those diagrams with the various examples of new traditional work found within this thread.
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Old April 4th, 2013, 01:40 AM   #1283
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The Ritz-Carlton Dallas is actually a fairly nice example of a type of simplified art deco. It gets points for a fully bricked exterior.
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Old April 4th, 2013, 09:27 AM   #1284
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Built in 1984, Dayabumi Complex was designed in a modern Islamic style.
The facade of the tower is adorned with patterns of eight-pointed stars, and Islamic arches at the top and bottom of the tower.
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Old April 4th, 2013, 09:52 AM   #1285
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Built in 2009, the Kota Iskandar, located in Johor Bahru, Malaysia incorporated the Johor-Malay and Moorish architecture into its design.

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Old April 4th, 2013, 10:06 AM   #1286
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Newly built and opened (in 2013), the Malacca Hard Rock Cafe.

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Old April 4th, 2013, 10:20 AM   #1287
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French inspired resort in Malaysia.

Colmar Tropicale - at Bukit Tinggi
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Old April 4th, 2013, 10:34 AM   #1288
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French? I'd rather say German-inspired, as the architecture of the now French city of Colmar is typically German. Well, some features may be common to both northern French and German cities in fact.
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Built in 1984, Dayabumi Complex was designed in a modern Islamic style.
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Old April 4th, 2013, 03:37 PM   #1290
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Why does the PLAN let a Japanese plane get so close? Would the USN allow a Chinese plane to get that close?
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Old April 4th, 2013, 03:40 PM   #1291
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This thread needs a major cleaning. There are too many ugly modern buildings that have only a hint of classical architecture. This thread is for modern buildings that are almost indistinguishable from classical buildings of previous centuries.
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Old April 4th, 2013, 03:50 PM   #1292
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French? I'd rather say German-inspired, as the architecture of the now French city of Colmar is typically German. Well, some features may be common to both northern French and German cities in fact.
This was a medieval pan-European style ranging from the British isles to Central Europe, it is inaccurate and anachronistic to call it either French, German, English etc. They do seem to be inspired from architecture now in France but the best word to use is Alsatian.
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Old April 5th, 2013, 11:36 PM   #1293
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Old April 6th, 2013, 12:21 AM   #1294
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That building in the first picture and the bridge in front are both absolutely appalling, a real hash up of a quasi mediaeval design. This sort of development is what modernists target when trying to defend their (often) ugly designs and they are right, it's just rubbish. No personal offence to you but this thread is supposed to be about correct traditional styles used in new builds, not Disneyesque theme park architecture.
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Love that transformation on Madison Avenue from a totally banal and anonymous glass box to something that looks high quality and traditional New York City. Once again the Americans do it best. There may be a lot of kitch built in that country but when they set out to do a proper job they have the know how factor!
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Old April 6th, 2013, 01:06 PM   #1296
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A couple of buildings on Oxtorgsgatan in downtown Stockholm (an area which suffered badly during the city sanitations and modernizations of the 50s-70s) built in the nordic classicism style. Considered to be pastisches by many of Sweden's architects, like anything else that's built in a classic style.


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