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Old June 21st, 2010, 06:42 PM   #141
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Sorry, but I don't agree with you. I think that what you describe would be the way to copy a builing, not to build a totally new structure that never existed before. This would be new neo-baroque or new neo-something and I really quite like it.



Why not, a place like Novi Beograd for exemple has already a lot of different styles (and still a lot of space). What would be the problem to have 1 blok in all of Novi Beograd with this kind of architecture (of course with different details to refer to local styles)?
No, I didn't say we should copy the buildings. I don't even think we should nesseserilly copy the stiles ( althow that would be good to ). If we build a building in per example neo-classicism than we should stick to elements that can be associated with that style ... and that is definitely not that modern mirror glass in these Kazan buildings. When building it you don't have to copy anything , but the result would have to be that uninformed persons cannot notice that the building is newly built , that an average person really has the impression that the building is 100+ years old ,even if it knows its not.

Without that effect, I believe it becomes kitschy and you will not have that effect if you put modern elements or if you build it in some place like Novi Beograd. Only traditional materials and shapes should be used in visible parts and its location has to be only in older parts of the city where it is surrounded by really old buildings and where it will really visually belong.
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Old June 21st, 2010, 07:04 PM   #142
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OK, that would be the most preferable situation of course, but builings as the ones in Kazan would become extremely expensive and I think it wouldn't have been possible to build them...
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Old June 22nd, 2010, 05:48 AM   #143
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^ Come on, don't fool yourself.

It'd be an impressive neohistoricist building, but no one would travel exclusively for something like this.
I haven't ever thought of visiting that city until I saw this building.
It definitly adds something to the city. None CW box could have done that.

I love Turning Torso but I'd never go to Malmo for seeing it.
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Old June 22nd, 2010, 12:21 PM   #144
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i just wondered if anyone knew of any french architects who design apartment blocks in the classic Haussman style
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Old June 22nd, 2010, 01:00 PM   #145
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Without that effect, I believe it becomes kitschy and you will not have that effect if you put modern elements or if you build it in some place like Novi Beograd. Only traditional materials and shapes should be used in visible parts and its location has to be only in older parts of the city where it is surrounded by really old buildings and where it will really visually belong.
Kitsch is meant to impress with something very superficial (luxury, etc. - the chocolate box aesthetics). To a certain degree, it's a reflection of a particular mentality. Either of a sub-culture (for example, of a certain business community) or a culture of an entire nation. Tackyness is something designed for the sake of being trendy. And finally, there's a plain bad taste. This is something in violation of objective perception only.

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Old June 22nd, 2010, 03:22 PM   #146
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^ Come on, don't fool yourself.

It'd be an impressive neohistoricist building, but no one would travel exclusively for something like this.
I dont fool myself, thats really what I think, Kazan is making suh a good job with all those beautiful historicism buildings, making the city look even more beautiful that already is, and trying to fix some of this bullshit that Stalin and the soviet years brought to so many cities, not to say the especulative 60,70 and 80 did to the western cities.

Just look at Kiev, they are doing such a great job in the same direction, I was there last summer, and instaed of finding the typical huge cold ex soviet city, we found a very beautiful historic city, rebuilding and building new projects in such a warm , beautiful old style, congratulations to both cities !!
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Old June 24th, 2010, 01:57 AM   #147
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OK, that would be the most preferable situation of course, but builings as the ones in Kazan would become extremely expensive and I think it wouldn't have been possible to build them...
Definitely not. It will certainly be more expensive but not so expensive that it isn't worth the extra cost.


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Kitsch is meant to impress with something very superficial (luxury, etc. - the chocolate box aesthetics). To a certain degree, it's a reflection of a particular mentality. Either of a sub-culture (for example, of a certain business community) or a culture of an entire nation. Tackyness is something designed for the sake of being trendy. And finally, there's a plain bad taste. This is something in violation of objective perception only.
Do you mean that ornaments make a building kitschy or by "luxury" you mean something else? If you consider all buildings with lots of ornaments like kitsch, there is a good kitsch like real historical baroque and a bad kitsch like that modern-baroque in Kazan ... and still , the architecture I was talking about doesn't have to be kitschy (with lots of ornaments). Neo-byzantine architecture is ,I think, a good example of that.

It is important that, while planing neo-historical buildings, the new complex gives the impression that it was created spontaniously. It means that the architecture of the individual buildings, urbanism and the decisions which building in the complex will be in which style must be done in that way that this part of the city really seams to be 100+ years old ... respecting of course the latest requirements and standards. I'm convinced this can be done with relatively low extra cost.
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Old June 24th, 2010, 02:28 AM   #148
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Do you mean that ornaments make a building kitschy or by "luxury" you mean something else? If you consider all buildings with lots of ornaments like kitsch
No, only "bling bling"-kind of ornaments. ^_^
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Old June 26th, 2010, 10:12 PM   #149
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No, only "bling bling"-kind of ornaments. ^_^
I didn't mean on those.

I've seen your thread about medieval Balkan. It is unclear to me why neo-byzantine architecture is used almost entirely on religious buildings when it would go very nicely on residential or commercial ones. Imagine a shopping mall built in that style.
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Old July 5th, 2010, 02:52 AM   #150
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Old July 5th, 2010, 03:02 AM   #151
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Old July 5th, 2010, 10:45 PM   #152
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Old July 6th, 2010, 06:00 AM   #153
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Old July 6th, 2010, 06:04 AM   #154
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Geil temples, that's how it should be done
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Old July 7th, 2010, 09:52 AM   #156
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Old July 7th, 2010, 11:05 AM   #157
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Old July 7th, 2010, 01:40 PM   #158
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That Malaysian stuff seems a bit over-the-top, except for the modest Melaka Sultanate Museum.


But the last one is quite an interesting imitation of Second Empire / Belle Epoque elements.
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Old July 9th, 2010, 01:54 AM   #159
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