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Old January 27th, 2015, 10:03 PM   #741
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There's one thing about the 2CC project I'm really puzzled by: why did they not eliminate the whole bottleneck from Cornbrook to Victoria?
As far as I understood, only the “on street” section is regarded as critical, having a lower practical capacity (TfGM estimates the maximum throughput is around 25 tph): on account of this, they seen the new Deansgate-Castlefield stop as an adequate improvement for the portion from Cornbrook stop up to Manchester Central (because it follows a segregated ROW); but there's still the short stretch in Lower Mosley St. which will stay on two track after the project completion, plus the odd choice of having only three track outgoing from Victoria stop, before the two route divergence.
At first sight, you should think that this way the 2CC will increase the system coverage of central Manchester, but won't relieve the congestion, failing one of its two major aims. Is this true? What's it I'm missing?
To amplify Nerd and Altfish replies, the section north of Victoria isn't really a problem as the Airport services are envisaged to terminate at Victoria leaving perhaps 25 (10 to Bury, 10 to Rochdale/Shaw and perhaps 5 to Crumpsall) trams per hour in each direction between Victoria and Irk Valley junction. This is well within the capability of a 2 track section.

The Cornbrook to St Peters Square section is a bottleneck potentially but there is little that can be done without incurring massive costs. The viaduct at Cornbrook needs widening and Deansgate Castlefield doesn't really have the space to be expanded beyond what is happening at present. Calculations made during the design of the line of sight TMS system indicated a capacity in excess of 50 trams per hour which would cater for the services envisaged under current proposals. The problem really is what happens when something goes wrong and there is no escape route. Cornbrook itself is the main stumbling block with its complex layout. There does not seem to be an easy answer here within TfGM's current budget.
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Sorry for going slightly off-topic, but is there any chance in re-opening the identical viaduct parallel to the current Castlefield one?
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Old January 28th, 2015, 09:31 AM   #743
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More on Victoria:

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Took this shot last friday, a bit grainy as it was in twilight.

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Old January 28th, 2015, 05:34 PM   #744
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Sorry for going slightly off-topic, but is there any chance in re-opening the identical viaduct parallel to the current Castlefield one?
I somehow doubt it unfortunately. It is in a terrible state and is in need of major expenditure. Despite being newer than the one Metrolink uses the lack of maintenance both prior to and subsequent to it's closure means that serious corrosion has set in.

http://www.forgottenrelics.co.uk/bri...stlefield.html

There was a start made on stabilising its condition couple of years ago with a view to it being developed as sort of high level park. But that seems to have gone quiet. Perhaps the condition has put them off.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ester-20158919

Whilst the ability to provide a couple of additional lines between Cornbrook and Deansgate Castlefield would no doubt be helpful there would still be the Cornbrook bottleneck and the short 2 track section down to Lower Mosley Street.
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Old January 28th, 2015, 06:53 PM   #745
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The line of sight driving means the opposite to what you think, I can assure you that they currently drive within yards of each other through the streets. We are not talking of fast speeds on street running so it is possible. You certainly can get more trams through a section than you'd ever be able to do by signalling. ...
My bad! I read that phrase in general term - a modern moving block CBTC with ATC/ATO enables very tight headway - but obviously they referred to specific circumstances (I was doing some google and I found out that in signalized section Metrolink still uses fixed block, even after new TMS introduction - if I correctly understood).

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The Cornbrook to St Peters Square section is a bottleneck potentially but there is little that can be done without incurring massive costs. ...
I'm aware it's a technically challenging and expensive, but IMHO I think they should have studied a way to double also Deansgate/Castlefield to Saint Peter Square, at least arranging things in a way they could easily do it later.

However, don't take it to heart! It's very nice to see a wonderful and prosperous system like this growing more and more, plus TfGM should be complimented on having construction works done ahead the schedule in almost all the new lines, which sound incredible speaking about public projects (especially for Italian ears like mine).
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Old January 30th, 2015, 11:01 AM   #746
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Two news from TfGM:

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Emergency rail engineering works affects Rochdale-Victoria train services
28 January 2015

Due to emergency engineering work on the railway line near Moston station, services between Manchester Victoria and Rochdale, Todmorden, Hebden Bridge and Leeds are subject to disruption until further notice.

A rail replacement bus service will be in operation until further notice between Manchester Victoria and Rochdale.

Arrangements have been made for Northern Rail tickets to be accepted on Metrolink services for travel between Manchester Victoria and Rochdale
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Snow affecting some bus services (0840)
30 January 2015

Bus services in some parts of Greater Mancheste, particularly side roads and areas on higher ground, continue to be affected by snow and icy road conditions.

The page will be updated regularly with any changes reported by bus operators who are continuing to assess affected routes and will reinstate them as soon as possible

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Old January 30th, 2015, 12:46 PM   #747
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Transport for Greater Manchester Committee

St. Peter's Square Single Line Strategy


An Artist's Impression of what the finished Square and Metrolink Stop will look like.

The Transport for Greater Manchester Committee is a body that administers the decisions and finances of Transport for Greater Manchester (TfGM), and therefore Metrolink.

The Report is online here: http://www.transportforgreatermanche...line_operation
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Old January 30th, 2015, 07:15 PM   #748
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Snow is a pain to photograph but looks good if you get it right

Woke up to snow so lets go take a few photos



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The APL's first snow in service

Down Simonsway all is Wintery


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3092 on its way to the port


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all looking very eastern european now


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no delays as well



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The tracks hiding in the snow


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Still installing these lights

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and 3066 on its way to the airport


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i didn't take any more after this because sleet started too fall
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Old January 31st, 2015, 01:29 AM   #749
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That's more snow than here in Stockholm!

Nice photos, the new tram extensions (and rolling stock) really do look seriously good.
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Old January 31st, 2015, 01:04 PM   #750
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Electrification Continues...

The huge electrification programme continues in the North West...

This of course is as well as the Metrolink extension projects...

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Popped by the Oldfield Road bridge again today as I could see some nice big cranes being assembled (presumably ready for more action over the weekend) and I had a good look at the new bridge side panels sat on trucks waiting to be lifted in.

This might be old news to you experts but I was delighted to see how the formed concrete had been shaped and coloured to look like engineering bricks! They even had (fake?) drainage / expansion gaps every so often (I'm not a civvy, sorry)





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Old January 31st, 2015, 08:54 PM   #751
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3067 Sale Water Park heading towards the Airport next to the M60 Sale Water Park
3067 Sale Water Park M60 Fairy Lane DSCF7582 by d33206hg, on Flickr
3062 about to pass under Fairy Lane Sale Water Park next to Jct 6 M60
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3062 next to the M60 Jct 6 and Sale Golf Course about to arrive into Sale Water Park
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3078 Sunset Sale Water Park at Jct 6 M60 Roundabout heading towards the Airport
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3094 at Manchester Airport 1st day in service
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2CC and Victoria Continues at Pace...

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Latest from Victoria including pointwork
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Old February 2nd, 2015, 10:36 PM   #753
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I made another photo survey of Metrolink progress today so here in a number of individual posts are the results.

First Victoria.

The trackwork at the north end seem almost complete now and there has been a lot more OLE installed.

I'm not sure what this gang of orange were doing but it involved a lot of persuasion with large sledgehammers.

P1090309 by sghyde, on Flickr

P1090310 by sghyde, on Flickr

Its not easy to see the layout north of the bridge from the station but from what I could see it looked complete now.

P1090323 by sghyde, on Flickr

Although it isn't immediately visible in this photo they have started the paving on the outbound island platform now.

P1090314 by sghyde, on Flickr

A bit clearer in this hopefully.

P1090316 by sghyde, on Flickr

Fitting out work in progress on the inbound shelter.

P1090317 by sghyde, on Flickr

and components on site for the outbound shelter.

P1090321 by sghyde, on Flickr

At the other end of the layout trackwork on all lines except the current single line is proceeding well now

P1090344 by sghyde, on Flickr

with half of the scissors crossover in place.

P1090345 by sghyde, on Flickr

The platform area from the mezzanine stairs.

P1090341 by sghyde, on Flickr

The view of the Metrolink entrance through one of the worksite gates which was conveniently open as I passed by.

P1090353 by sghyde, on Flickr

and towards Long Millgate.

P1090354 by sghyde, on Flickr

P1090355 by sghyde, on Flickr

Not much has obviously changed in terms of electrification

P1090325 by sghyde, on Flickr

It looks as though the anchor pole the other side of the bridge has suffered movement, lets hope the footbridge pier is sound!!

P1090327 by sghyde, on Flickr

The big hole that was Exchange Station.

P1090331 by sghyde, on Flickr

P1090333 by sghyde, on Flickr

Back at the entrance to the platforms the new gateline was undergoing some testing, the guy in orange was passing back and forth through each gate numerous times.

P1090335 by sghyde, on Flickr

P1090336 by sghyde, on Flickr

P1090338 by sghyde, on Flickr

Now a few to show how the removal of the crash deck has started to open the place up to the light. Apologies for the quality but the huge difference between the light and dark were taxing my skills.

P1090340 by sghyde, on Flickr

P1090347 by sghyde, on Flickr

P1090349 by sghyde, on Flickr

P1090351 by sghyde, on Flickr

P1090356 by sghyde, on Flickr

P1090358 by sghyde, on Flickr

Now for these steel door frames in the entrance archways.

This the one at the Todd Street end.

P1090360 by sghyde, on Flickr

P1090366 by sghyde, on Flickr

Next to the Booking Office at the south end, the one at the Hunts Bank end hadn't been started when I was there.

P1090365 by sghyde, on Flickr

P1090362 by sghyde, on Flickr

Finally Long Millgate/Cigar Alley.

P1090370 by sghyde, on Flickr

P1090371 by sghyde, on Flickr
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Next the 2CC route across the city.

Now for a walk along 2CC starting at Victoria.

The interface between the 2 projects at this end is getting harder to define so everything from Long Millgate I have defined as 2CC for this set.

Lots more OLE up at the junction of the 2 routes now.

P1090372 by sghyde, on Flickr

P1090374 by sghyde, on Flickr

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P1090384 by sghyde, on Flickr

The location of this pole was the subject of debate over on the main thread. I believe from what I have seen that it will be a centre pole between 2CC inbound and outbound.

P1090379 by sghyde, on Flickr

In the background a temporary anchor pole for the 2CC wires outside the bank.

P1090381 by sghyde, on Flickr

The inbound (or is it west bound) track now reaches the end of MPT's contract area.

P1090380 by sghyde, on Flickr

The new 1CC outbound slab on Balloon Street

P1090387 by sghyde, on Flickr

The 2CC track is covered presumably as frost protection.

P1090390 by sghyde, on Flickr

Towards Withy Grove it all looks ready for surfacing.

P1090395 by sghyde, on Flickr

Still lots of excavations in Exchange Square

P1090397 by sghyde, on Flickr

P1090400 by sghyde, on Flickr

and near to the junction with Market Street

P1090403 by sghyde, on Flickr

From the Arndale bridge the newly laid track can be seen snaking towards us from Victoria.

P1090405 by sghyde, on Flickr

P1090406 by sghyde, on Flickr

P1090408 by sghyde, on Flickr

Back at ground level from Market Street junction.

P1090412 by sghyde, on Flickr

Not a lot has changed on Cross Street or Princess Street which is to be expected at this stage. Just a couple of utility sites closed down and a couple of new ones from memory.

Outside Royal Exchange.

P1090417 by sghyde, on Flickr

P1090422 by sghyde, on Flickr

A fairly new site at the junction with King Street, this time for telecoms works.

P1090424 by sghyde, on Flickr

Another new one setting up near Tib Lane.

P1090426 by sghyde, on Flickr

In St peters Square we can now see what those large holes in the tarmac were for.

OLE mast foundations.

P1090430 by sghyde, on Flickr

The rebar sticking out at the end is to tie it into the track slab later.

P1090432 by sghyde, on Flickr

A bit more of the old tram track has appeared.

P1090434 by sghyde, on Flickr

The old church footprint has now been pretty much backfilled.

P1090437 by sghyde, on Flickr

There appears to be a row of piles along the edge just to the left of the compressor. I guess these will form part of the foundation for the outbound island platform.

P1090437 by sghyde, on Flickr

Seen again from the Oxford Street end, a couple have been covered with cones.

P1090446 by sghyde, on Flickr

On Lower Mosley Street cable route works are in progress.

P1090458 by sghyde, on Flickr

P1090459 by sghyde, on Flickr

P1090461 by sghyde, on Flickr

They seem to tie into the existing cable routes at the bottom of the ramp.

P1090494 by sghyde, on Flickr

Other 2CC related work is in progress at GMex substation where a new cable route has been constructed to take a new incoming supply allowing the sub to be upgraded for 2CC.

P1090500 by sghyde, on Flickr

GMex substation

P1090504 by sghyde, on Flickr

GMex isolator poles under the ramp.

P1090505 by sghyde, on Flickr

and GMex traction transformer.

P1090507 by sghyde, on Flickr
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Finally Deansgate Castlefield where there was another closure this weekend and the main bulk of the outbound platform was installed.

That horrible carbuncle of an equipment room.

P1090517 by sghyde, on Flickr

As shown by j616s on the main thread, the cables start to appear.

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The new outbound platform with protective sheeting.

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Notice the point machines stacked in the compound here.

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The combined signal and point indicator at the city end of the middle platform.

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the nice decorative facings on the platform.

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Work in progress on the Deansgate end stairs

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Another signal at the Cornbrook end of the middle platform.

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and the point indicator at the points between the inbound and middle lines. A couple of equipment cabinets are just visible also in this shot.

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An on-the-platform shot of the new outbound at Deansgate-Castlefield, courtesy of TfGM (@officialtfgm) on Twitter:

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1990

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1991

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2012

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2015

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Pictured: Massive machine that will bore tunnel under A666 as railway is electrified
Wednesday 4 February 2015


WORK: The machine that will be used on the tunnels in Farnworth


SCHEME: Farnworth tunnels


CLOSED: Farnworth train station and tunnels


CLOSED: Kearsley Train Station

THIS is the specially-built machine that will bore a tunnel under the A666 for the £1 billion electrification of rail lines in the north west.

Engineers will fill the Farnworth Tunnel with concrete before then boring it out to create a larger space for new electric trains to travel through.

The works — which will be carried out between May and October — will mean Bolton train station will be closed at weekends for five months, as revealed yesterday in The Bolton News.

The boring machine is similar to that used on the London Crossrail project

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