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Old April 15th, 2015, 04:12 PM   #961
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Thanks, pjm0512 It's very interesting report. And what a transformation - I already forgot of how station looked like before
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Metrolink Expansion Across Town...

Both stations on the 2CC are now beginning to complement their impressive backdrops in the sunshine :-

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Both stations on the 2CC are now beginning to complement their impressive backdrops in the sunshine :-









The demolition of Fred Done's office is also giving a very wide open feeling at St Peter's :-











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What might have been...

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Great Thread!

In the 70s, central Manchester was surrounded by railway stations & termini, but with no railway infrastructure in the square mile between them all. And, more importantly, no railway lines to link the two main termini - Victoria and Piccadilly. A link between these two stations would be the link between North & South Manchester (and beyond).

The Picc-Vic envisaged linking Bolton & Bury in the North with lines terminating at Hazel Grove, Alderley Edge and Wilmslow in the South and a continuing line to Macclesfield via Cheadle Hulme in the South. All these lines would join together in the city centre, in the Picc-Vic tunnel.



According to this map, the city centre stations were Victoria, Market Street, Albert-St Peter's Square, Princess St and Piccadilly.

Here is the only render I could find of the scheme itself, obviously drawn at the time. If anyone else could find any others that would be great!

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The lost and lamented.

According to the excellent book Rail Centres Manchester by Sidney Hall, he speaks of the following that never happened.

1. Pic Vic tunnel. 1970s. This had the much celebrated phrase one tunnel with it's underground stations at Victoria, Royal Exchange, Whitworth and Piccadilly.

And the less remarked phrase two tunnel from Deansgate, Piccadilly Gardens. And oh yeah the travelaters, which this iPad wants to change to grave agora???

2. Linked to this was an earlier SELNEC plan to build a rapid transit electric train line between
Northenden and Higher Blackley with a tunnel under the city centre.

3. The post WW2 proposal for the Trinity station between Salford central and Victoria.

4. Hans Behr's monorail.

5. Metrolink to Glossop, Rose Hill and Chinley.

And of course there was Arrivas proposal to re open the Ŵoodhead tunnel a decade ago.
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Amazing to think that they came up with that kind of idea over 100 years ago. It's the Victorian equivalent of HSR2.



Looking at the picture reminds a bit of the Tyne and Wear Metro in Newcastle. Had things worked out differently, Manchester would have a similar system to the T&W Metro rather than the Metrolink.

I wonder whether buses would still be running along Market Street (outside Primark and Debenhams) if the Picc-Vic network had been given the go-ahead. Might have made cross-city bus services a bit easier to implement now and allow some services to terminate at Shudehill (in place of Arndale/Cannon St in the old days) instead of Piccadilly Gardens.

Here's another pic of the city centre route, including the travelator. Part of the route is very similar to the proposed second city crossing of the Metrolink (only underground), while the travelators looks like it follows a similar route to the Metrolink between Piccadilly and Piccadilly Gardens, while St Peter's Square would be linked to Oxford Road instead of Deansgate

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This is the proud and joy of my collection.

A 1903 proposal that seems to have got quite advanced.

Think this was originally a monochrome photocopy from the Central Library which I rather badly hand painted.

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Manc Underground 1903 by Mark Ovenden Books, on Flickr[/IMG]

Though it was also more of a tram subway (that might have got abandoned as Bricos suggests above), I just love the cute illustrations of trams diving underground and the idea that there may have been subway stations in Manc after all.

Like to think it might have been a little like the SF Muni or the Brussels trams maybe.

There were certainly other proposals and plans too, including a circle line like Glasgows, will try and dig them out.
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Railway:

East-West Network, proposed to expand on the Picc-Vic. Intially on the viaduct route between Deansgate and Piccadilly, it might have later expanded with construction of a second city tunnel.

Victoria-Olympic Park-Airport route. New-build chord line between Ashton Old Road and Hyde Road bus depot, using land in (then) MCC/GMPTA ownership. Enable direct Airport - Sportcity service, continuing to Victoria, Salford Crescent, Bolton, Preston and Blackpool. Would have created a cross-city, electric service between Bolton and Hazel Grove, too.

Roads:

City of Manchester Plan 1945 envisaged a Milton Keynes-style Grid Road Network of dual carriageways with free-flow/roundabout junctions, separating districts into distinct neighbourhood units.

SELNEC Highway Plan 1962 expanded on the 1945 plans.

Notable parts of which:

Altrincham and Sale Western bypass (the A556(M) going to Stretford)
A56 Stretford Road Diversion (through Firswood, Old Trafford)
Route D/23 (from A5103 Princess Road to A663 Broadway) - two small sections built as 'Eastern Bypass' in Clayton
Manchester Inner Ring Road (mostly newbuild further out, apart from upgrade of Great Ancoats Street)
Princess Parkway Motorway (alongside Princess Road)
City Centre Road (widened dualled inner circle)
Woodley Bypass
Bolton South/East Orbital
Irwell Valley Motorway (Clifton - Blackfriars)
A62 Failsworth Bypass
A6 Levenshulme Diversion

Unbuilt M67 between Inner Ring (Ardwick Apollo) and Denton Roundabout

Western Parkway/Wythenshawe (1945)


Central Manchester (1962)


There was also the M62 Relief Road, which blighted a lot of lives during the 1990s while they ummed and erred about whether to build the damn thing. It would have gone from just west of Eccles Interchange, to the M61 junction, then to Simister Island and back onto the M62 near Birch.

I also remember another version of the A6(M) through Stockport. Right through the built up suburbs of Hazel Grove, Woodsmoor, Davenport and Adswood.
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Old April 16th, 2015, 09:41 PM   #964
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A few shots round Victoria from Wednesday to complement those posted by pjm on Tuesday.

The most significant item really is the opening up of the area around the mezzanine level lift entrance which gives some nice viewpoints to make up for those lost at the top of the mezzanine stairs.

The much discussed Hansel and Gretel house.

P1110077 by sghyde, on Flickr

Looking over to the Arena entrance

P1110072 by sghyde, on Flickr

and the First Class Dining Room

P1110073 by sghyde, on Flickr

The interface between the new roof and the original building with its glazing panels.

P1110075 by sghyde, on Flickr

The top level lift entrance

P1110076 by sghyde, on Flickr

The booking office

P1110078 by sghyde, on Flickr

Looking over to Metrolink, note the addition of higher panels behind the OLE pole.

P1110079 by sghyde, on Flickr

The 'tunnel' to the Arena, where the guy in orange is working fencing has now been placed which prevents photographers (and others) looking over to the Metrolink platforms.

P1110087 by sghyde, on Flickr

P1110088 by sghyde, on Flickr

But in fact a much better view is gained from the area near the lift.

P1110092 by sghyde, on Flickr

P1110091 by sghyde, on Flickr

P1110081 by sghyde, on Flickr

P1110083 by sghyde, on Flickr

A new view from the main footbridge out over the heavy rail bays and Metrolink platforms, it would seem that the lasyt of the plastic sheeting over the Metrolink area was removed after pjm's visit.

P1110061 by sghyde, on Flickr

As pjm noted they have started adding the glass to the first of the entrance arches.

P1110094 by sghyde, on Flickr

P1110096 by sghyde, on Flickr

On the electrification front the wire seems to be registered now and the structures near the east footbridge have gained signs indicating the limits of electric train working.

P1110050 by sghyde, on Flickr

P1110144 by sghyde, on Flickr

P1110148 by sghyde, on Flickr

P1110154 by sghyde, on Flickr

P1110155 by sghyde, on Flickr

As for the future of the east end footbridge, those OLE fittings look pretty permanent to me.

P1110145 by sghyde, on Flickr

P1110146 by sghyde, on Flickr
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Old April 16th, 2015, 09:43 PM   #965
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A rather damp look at 2CC Stage 1 from Wednesday and nothing to see other than what pjm and JDR recorded yesterday.

This is the best I could manage to try to see that gap between City Buildings and the new track. Excuse the rain on the lens.

P1110099 by sghyde, on Flickr

There doesn't seem to be any Co-op activity behind the saffolding to make the building safe.

P1110101 by sghyde, on Flickr

Work on consolidating the northbound track foundations between Todd Street and Withy Grove is well advanced now.

P1110105 by sghyde, on Flickr

P1110106 by sghyde, on Flickr

P1110107 by sghyde, on Flickr

Similar work seems to be in progress now the other side of Withy Grove junction.

P1110143 by sghyde, on Flickr

Cable ducts are sprouting along the site of the island platform.

P1110108 by sghyde, on Flickr

P1110109 by sghyde, on Flickr

Has the pedestrian crossing outside the Arndale been moved or have a couple more short lengths of track appeared.

P1110116 by sghyde, on Flickr

Looking towards Market Street

P1110115 by sghyde, on Flickr
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A few shots from St Peters Square and Deansgate Castlefield taken on Tuesday. Obviously no different really than those taken by others recently.

In St Peters Square with demolition well advanced behind we can see the mass of reinforcement over the church crypt slab being prepared for concrete pouring.

P1100882 by sghyde, on Flickr

P1100887 by sghyde, on Flickr

Across Oxford Street work continues on the foundations for the outbound track.

P1100877 by sghyde, on Flickr

At Deansgate Castlefield again the progress has bee recorded by j616s and pjm but just a few from me.

All the shelter columns seem to be up now.

DSC_5748 by sghyde, on Flickr

Work in progress on the steps at the city end of the new platform.

DSC_5749 by sghyde, on Flickr

TMS signals at the Cornbrook end, the nearer one has been up for a while now.

DSC_5767 by sghyde, on Flickr

As noted by j616s reinforcement has been added to the base for the steps access base.

P1100871 by sghyde, on Flickr

Work in progress down below on Whitworth Street West.

P1100872 by sghyde, on Flickr
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On my trip around parts of the system on Tuesday as well as trying to update my construction albums I did venture to take some photos with trams on.

The results were posted on the Metrolink thread earlier but I will repost here as well for those interested.

Part 1 starts at Deansgate Castlefield around nine o'clock.

3001 leads 3012 into the stop bound for Altrincham. The morning was slightly overcast at this time.

DSC_5751 by sghyde, on Flickr

DSC_5752 by sghyde, on Flickr

Simultaneously 3020 leads 3024 in from Altrincham -

DSC_5755 by sghyde, on Flickr

quickly followed by 3087 heading for Ashton -

DSC_5757 by sghyde, on Flickr

DSC_5758 by sghyde, on Flickr

and 3075 on a MediaCityUK to Piccadilly run.

DSC_5760 by sghyde, on Flickr

Moving on to the steps at Manchester Central for a few views on Lower Mosley Street and GMex ramp.

3061 heads into the City centre

DSC_5776 by sghyde, on Flickr

3047 descends the ramp heading for Piccadilly

DSC_5787 by sghyde, on Flickr

With work visible in St Peters Square in the background 3046 and 3042 approach the camera on a Bury to Altrincham run.

DSC_5793 by sghyde, on Flickr

followed by 3048 heading for East Didsbury

DSC_5796 by sghyde, on Flickr

3048 passes 3028 and 3005 on the bowstring bridge

DSC_5800 by sghyde, on Flickr

the latter pair cross Windmill Street

DSC_5804 by sghyde, on Flickr

and enter St Peters Square as 3075 departs for MediaCityUK with 3040 on a training trip visible on Mosley Street in the background.

DSC_5808 by sghyde, on Flickr

3075 and 3083 pass crossing Windmill Street.

DSC_5810 by sghyde, on Flickr

more to follow ....
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Part 2 takes in the East Manchester Line at Holt Town, Etihad Campus, New Islington and Sheffield Street.

Holt Town area first

3065 departs for Ashton

P1100889 by sghyde, on Flickr

3033 on an Etihad to Bury run

P1100890 by sghyde, on Flickr

3086 running from Ashton to Eccles.

DSC_5815 by sghyde, on Flickr

3060 rounds the curve into Holt Town with a Bury to Etihad run.

DSC_5820 by sghyde, on Flickr

and heads away under Cambrian Street.

DSC_5826 by sghyde, on Flickr

3007 heading for Etihad Campus

DSC_5841 by sghyde, on Flickr

Seen alongside the footpath between Holt Town and Etihad Campus are 3060 bound for Bury.

DSC_5847 by sghyde, on Flickr

and 3064 Ashton bound.

DSC_5850 by sghyde, on Flickr

DSC_5855 by sghyde, on Flickr

3061 descends from Etihad Campus.

DSC_5861 by sghyde, on Flickr

3055 at Etihad Campus

DSC_5875 by sghyde, on Flickr

DSC_5878 by sghyde, on Flickr

Now on to New Islington

3018 leaves for Bury

DSC_5887 by sghyde, on Flickr

3040 approaches still on training duties

DSC_5889 by sghyde, on Flickr

DSC_5890 by sghyde, on Flickr

3022 climbs from the Ancoats Underpass heading to Etihad Campus

DSC_5907 by sghyde, on Flickr

DSC_5912 by sghyde, on Flickr

3055 returns to Bury having turned at Velopark

DSC_5922 by sghyde, on Flickr

Alongside Longacre Street near Sheffield Street siding 3033 approaches heading for Etihad Campus.

DSC_5932 by sghyde, on Flickr

3003 climbs from Ancoats Underpass bound for Bury

DSC_5938 by sghyde, on Flickr

before approaching Sheffield Street with 3053 just visible in the siding

DSC_5940 by sghyde, on Flickr

3084 passes 3017 at Sheffield Street siding

DSC_5951 by sghyde, on Flickr

crossing Sheffield Street itself as 3017 draws forward and 3060 leaves the Undercroft on its way to Etihad Campus.

DSC_5953 by sghyde, on Flickr

More again yet....
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In Part 3 we move south to the Airport Line with a couple at Chorlton thrown in for good measure.

I arrived by train to find 3089 almost ready to depart for Cornbrook.

DSC_5963 by sghyde, on Flickr

I decided to walk over to Shadowmoss to get a few shots along the way.

3091 approaches the Underpass

DSC_5967 by sghyde, on Flickr

DSC_5968 by sghyde, on Flickr

returning a few minutes later

DSC_5973 by sghyde, on Flickr

DSC_5978 by sghyde, on Flickr

Alongside Ringway Road West 3093 approaches journeys end

DSC_5982 by sghyde, on Flickr

DSC_5984 by sghyde, on Flickr

returning 10 minutes later

DSC_5987 by sghyde, on Flickr

DSC_5990 by sghyde, on Flickr

3085 heads alongside Ringway Road West destination indicator already changed for the return trip.

DSC_5996 by sghyde, on Flickr

DSC_5998 by sghyde, on Flickr

3080 arrives at Shadowmoss

P1100941 by sghyde, on Flickr

my transport towards Cornbrook arrives in the form of 3085

P1100947 by sghyde, on Flickr

stopping off at Moor Road to get a few street running shots.

P1100949 by sghyde, on Flickr

3080 returns to Cornbrook entering street running on Moor Road itself

DSC_6002 by sghyde, on Flickr

heading for Wythenshawe Park

DSC_6004 by sghyde, on Flickr

3076 outbound to the Airport as in the background 3080 enters Wythenshawe Park stop.

DSC_6007 by sghyde, on Flickr

DSC_6010 by sghyde, on Flickr

3091 enters Wythenshawe Park

P1100955 by sghyde, on Flickr

as does 3092 inbound

P1100959 by sghyde, on Flickr

Now at Chorlton before heading back to town.

3058 leaves for Rochdale as a double set consisting of 3004 and 3002 arrives from Rochdale.

DSC_6017 by sghyde, on Flickr

3080 leaves for Manchester Airport

DSC_6028 by sghyde, on Flickr

3092 inbound from the Airport waits to depart for Cornbrook as 3085 leaves outbound.

P1100961 by sghyde, on Flickr

A final set around Cornbrook and Castlefield area will follow
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In Part 4 we are back in Manchester mainly in the Castlefield Heritage area..

A couple from Cornbrook where 3028 and 3006 head away to Rochdale.

P1100964 by sghyde, on Flickr

passing 3090 in the turnback siding as they approach the birdcage viaduct.

P1100967 by sghyde, on Flickr

With 3090 waiting to leave the siding an outbound set approaches from Deansgate Castlefield.

P1100968 by sghyde, on Flickr

I then moved on to Deansgate Castlefield and walked down onto the canal to the area near Lock 92 on the Rochdale Canal.

Here 3065 is seen high up on the viaduct heading to Eccles

DSC_6030 by sghyde, on Flickr

followed by 3046 and 3042 bound for Altrincham.

DSC_6035 by sghyde, on Flickr

3016 has just left the birdcage on its way to East Didsbury

DSC_6042 by sghyde, on Flickr

3041 passes heading to Altrincham as a GBRf Class 66 is held at the signal protecting Castlefield Junction.

DSC_6048 by sghyde, on Flickr

Adjacent to Deansgate Tunnel on the Rochdale Canal we see 3031 and 3030 on their way to Altrincham, an inbound tram is also visible to the left.

DSC_6056 by sghyde, on Flickr

Ta the same location another double consisting of 3082 and 3095 head to East Didsbury

DSC_6059 by sghyde, on Flickr

Taken just above Lock 92 we zoom in on 3053 heading for Altrincham

P1100983 by sghyde, on Flickr

and 3062 MediaCityUK bound

P1100991 by sghyde, on Flickr

3047 is inbound from Altrincham to Piccadilly

P1100996 by sghyde, on Flickr

Finally not the best of shots but we can just make out an inbound tram approaching Deansgate Castlefield as an East Midlands Trains Liverpool to Norwich train passes over Castlefield Junction.

P1110040 by sghyde, on Flickr
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Which other lines departing from MAnchester will be converted to Metrolink, if any?

Are there plans for Metrolink extension to Bolton?
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Which other lines departing from MAnchester will be converted to Metrolink, if any?

Are there plans for Metrolink extension to Bolton?
No plans for a Metrolink route to Bolton at present. There is a plan to convert the Atherton Line to Wigan to Tram-Train operation and bring the service into the streets linking to 2CC possibly via John Dalton Street.

The Marple Line is another candidate for Tram-Train conversion.
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Why don't Manchester build a subway line?
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Why don't Manchester build a subway line?
Plans were drawn up in the 1970s for an underground link between Piccadilly and Victoria. The complexity of the job and lack of available funding eventually forced its abandonment and Metrolink became the focus for both the link between the mainline stations and also the provision of a new rail based network. Funding for public transport in the UK has always been a big problem.

Without wishing to sound too parochial if a project is not within the Greater London area it often struggles to compete for central government funding. The Manchester conurbation has been very fortunate that it retained a loose alliance of all the local authorities when the former Greater Manchester County Council was abolished. This has meant that its political lobbying power has been fairly powerful. Even with that power the local transport body Transport for Greater Manchester has had to find a sizeable chunk of local funding to achieve what it has.
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Metrolink From Up On High...

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I knew I'd seen a post regarding the proposed Pic -Vic Link but didn't realise it had only recently been posted in this thread by Wing Tips.


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Just for fun - appereance of Oxford Road station in one of the films:

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Have just come across this image (have been surfing film location sites) from the film Hell is a City, which appears to be Oxford Road under construction.

Hadn't seen it before..



Is that the previous station to the left?

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Thanks to everyone who took picture of 2CC line in last few days.

I also been down to Manchester today to see how 2CC line is getting on and here some picture that I took. (Sorry if they look same as other peoples or you get bored looking at them)

Nothing have change here since my last visits but I do think more tracks will be laid in next few weeks time.









small piece of track now cross path near Arndale.



Site of where Exchange Square stop will be.





No picture outside football museum but I notice in picture that Freel took (photo 3 to 5 #41359) they have started putting track slab down which mean we should be seeing tracks lading down on north board in next few weeks time.

end of 2CC line so far.





Couple of picture that I took at Victoria station and in these ones are looking at line from stairs heading to MEN arena.









Let have closes look at that junction.





New platform at Victoria is getting on well now and PIDS are switch on.





I guess this platform still have couple of months off until trams start using it.



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Sunny Days On Metrolink...

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I had an hour or so to kill in Droylsden this morning as I waited to collect my granddaughter from dancing class so I had a stroll about either side of the stop at Market Street with camera in hand. The idea being to get a few shots of the trams in their natural streetscape.

3079 leaves the town centre inbound.

P1050630 by sghyde, on Flickr

P1050633 by sghyde, on Flickr

3074 passes Tesco on the way to Ashton

P1050637 by sghyde, on Flickr

3075 inbound approaches Droylsden on the trambaan.

P1050641 by sghyde, on Flickr

P1050644 by sghyde, on Flickr

3080 leaves for Ashton

P1050650 by sghyde, on Flickr

P1050654 by sghyde, on Flickr

P1050655 by sghyde, on Flickr

A lady dices with death at Kershaw Lane lights in front of 3069.

P1050656 by sghyde, on Flickr

P1050659 by sghyde, on Flickr

3083 appears carrying a VIP up to Ashton.

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I was suddenly aware of someone waving at me from the rear of the sallon as it passed me. One Mr Derivative on his travels

3074 competes with yet another local kamikaze resident as it departs Droylsden.

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3088 vies with the traffic at Market Street lights.

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And the Sun Starts to set...

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Wythenshawe TC looked quite tropical tonight with 3097
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