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Old December 14th, 2009, 05:18 AM   #1
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Night Flight Bans

Lufthansa fights looming Frankfurt night flight ban

FRANKFURT, Dec 13 (Reuters) - Fighting to head off a looming ban on night flights at its Frankfurt hub, Lufthansa will challenge a German court ruling that blocked an earlier appeal by the airline, a company spokesman said on Sunday.

At stake is whether Lufthansa's cargo fleet can operate at night at Frankfurt airport , Germany's largest, in spite of efforts to limit noise when it adds another runway in 2011.

The German state of Hesse, home to Frankfurt, has approved plans to expand the airport, but one condition was that flight movements were limited to an average of 17 per night between 11 p.m. and 5 a.m. local time to cut down on noise.

That is still 17 too many for airport expansion opponents who want it to be quiet while they sleep.

Lufthansa Cargo Chief Executive Carsten Spohr said in August that Lufthansa could give up its fleet of air cargo planes if night flights were banned in Frankfurt.

Lufthansa said when court proceedings began in June it alone would require an average of 23 flights a night by 2020 for passenger and cargo flights. Requirements by tour operators such as Thomas Cook's Condor would come on top of that.

Hesse has until Jan. 4 to appeal against a state administrative court decision raising questions about the 17 proposed night flights.
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Old December 18th, 2009, 01:47 AM   #2
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I can not sympathise with all these noise complainers..The airport was there before they moved in, they enclose on the airport, then they complain that it is noisy..They KNEW it was there when they moved in, what an arrogance...
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Old December 18th, 2009, 11:19 AM   #3
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I can not sympathise with all these noise complainers..The airport was there before they moved in, they enclose on the airport, then they complain that it is noisy..They KNEW it was there when they moved in, what an arrogance...
Same problems with BTS over here, people build houses too close to the airport due to the low prices and now they complain. It happens all around the globe.
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Old July 8th, 2010, 03:34 PM   #4
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Airport set to ban 'red-eye' flights
26 June 2010
Shanghai Daily

EARLY morning flights to and from the Hongqiao International Airport could be grounded after a rise in complaints from nearby residents about the noise.

The city's construction and transport commission is in talks with the civil aviation authorities, requesting a ban on flights between midnight and 6am.

Shen Xiaosu, the commission's deputy director, said the ban could come into effect when the next flight season begins on October 28.

Delayed flights -- those originally due to take off or land before midnight -- would still be allowed.

Airline officials said an end to red-eye flights, so called because of the fatigue involved in overnight travel, would have limited impact on the airlines, which don't operate international flights in the early hours.

People close to the airport on the west side of the city have been complaining about additional noise since a new terminal and second runway went into use in March.

The runways now allow 45 landings and departures an hour, compared to the previous 33, said Shanghai Airport Authority, the airport operator.

The new runway has a navigation system for night flying, it said.

A spokesman with the Civil Aviation Administration Bureau of East China, the regional aviation supervisor, declined to comment, saying he had not been informed about the controversy.

East China Air Traffic Management Bureau, the air routes controller, said it would comply with the new schedule if the rule was enacted.

Efforts were made to shorten the airport's landing zone and thus keep noise to a bearable range, but residents still complained.

Before the runway was completed, the airport authority said noise over 85 decibels would be "limited within the airport field instead of nearby residential areas."

Zhang Wu'an, a spokesman for Shanghai-based Spring Airlines, said just four of its domestic flights landed between 12am and 6am.

"The impact will be little for us if the Hongqiao airport cancels red-eye flights, and I think the airport will carry out supporting measures to coordinate the change," he said.

An official with China Eastern Airlines said it didn't run early morning flights at Hongqiao and a ban wouldn't affect its operations.
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Old July 9th, 2010, 03:23 AM   #5
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I can not sympathise with all these noise complainers..The airport was there before they moved in, they enclose on the airport, then they complain that it is noisy..They KNEW it was there when they moved in, what an arrogance...
I'm totally agree with your point.
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Could flight paths and use of flight paths change over time, so residents who were not supposed to be affected by the movements when they moved in could suddenly be right below descending planes a few years later?
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Old October 26th, 2010, 05:41 PM   #7
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Govt to ban noisy and old planes at IGI from Oct 31
18 October 2010
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NEW DELHI: After night curfew on aircraft movement at IGI's newest runway, the capital is all set to boast of another first for an Indian airport to allow citizens to sleep in peace. The government has proposed to ban noisy old aircraft from operating in and out of IGI at night from October 31.

While a standard practice in western airports where they are completely shut at night and noisy planes banished at all times, this is the first time India is moving towards that direction by proposing it for Delhi.

The Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGCA) proposes to ban old planes that fall in chapter-II aircraft category from 10pm to 6am when winter schedule kicks in on October 31. This category includes aircraft like Boeing 737-200 classic and the Russian IL-76. In India, Alliance Air and Blue Dart use the B 737-200 as cargo aircraft. The night curfew at the new runway is also between 10pm and 6am.

Sources say the aviation regulatory authority recently met representatives from these airlines. While their logic was that the business model was based on using these planes as freighters at night, the DGCA has asked them to look for options. ''The West has already taken strong steps on noise pollution at airports and we also will have to make a start at some point. We propose to do so in Delhi as residents moved court and the CM also intervened. Airlines will initially be required to just keep off Delhi at night. A number of Indian and foreign airlines fly in old noisy planes and this can't go on unchecked,'' said sources, while adding it's just a matter of time before these actions are replicated in other Indian metros too.

Another reason why the DGCA did not act so far was that it would have hurt Alliance Air, a sister concern of the national airline. But now all Indian players have got modern fleet as the recent downturn showed oil prices can skyrocket anytime, so they have to phase out their old fuel guzzlers - not because of green concerns like emissions and noise - but for fuel efficiency.

Chapter-II aircraft like B737-200 classic have turbojets while new-gen planes have turofans. The difference in these two technologies is that turbofans are huge structures with the engine at the centre. So about 70% of air intake is pushed out while only 30% goes into the engine. When air flows out of these engines, the extremely high temperature and low pressure air emanating from the engine is invirtually 'insulated' by the cold air that is flowing out from both sides. This acts as a noise buffer. On the other hand, old turbojets saw almost entire air going inside the engine and coming out with a blast without any insulation.
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Old October 27th, 2010, 06:58 AM   #8
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I can not sympathise with all these noise complainers..The airport was there before they moved in, they enclose on the airport, then they complain that it is noisy..They KNEW it was there when they moved in, what an arrogance...
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If they hated airplane noise in the first place they should not have moved there.
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