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Old March 1st, 2010, 04:28 PM   #361
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You are right those are the best and the youngest we have. Here are some nice pictures with MAV and OBB locomotives:

[IMG]http://i49.************/dyoq42.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i46.************/2cik1s1.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i45.************/25f277r.jpg[/IMG]

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Old March 1st, 2010, 04:31 PM   #362
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These coaches type Alm and Blm are very similar to Eurofima UIC Z1-type. Specially the Austrian UIC-Z1 are similar to this coaches. But note the windows that definitely are not Austrian. It is exactly the same sort of windows like the Swedish IC-coaches in B7-generation from the 1980's. Maybe the windows are made in Sweden
I think that GOSA bought the licence from some German company. They are UIC Z2.

[IMG]http://i46.************/qy5or5.jpg[/IMG]

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Old March 1st, 2010, 05:51 PM   #363
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I think that GOSA bought the licence from some German company. They are UIC Z2.

[IMG]http://i46.************/qy5or5.jpg[/IMG]

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Yes its Z2 not Z1. But they looks more Austrian than German. German coachbuilder LHB built some Z1 for DB but they looks more like coaches built by SGP in Austria. Specially one generation of Amz and Bmz-coaches at ÖBB looks very similar to the Serbian Alm and Blm. Maybe GOŠA get the licence or working together with SGP?

But its also very interesting with the Swedish windows on the Alm and Blm-coaches. The windows at this coaches are identical with the windows you can find att the coches from SJ like the A7, B7, BF4, BC4 and other coaches you can find here in Sweden. Maybe GOŠA was working together with Swedish coachbuilder KVAB too?
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Old March 1st, 2010, 06:31 PM   #364
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I’m afraid those details are beyond my level of expertise. You can ask questions about Serbian coaches in here: http://www.railserbia.net/forum/view...de5c46d4e70b7f

Here are some close-ups of the windows:

[IMG]http://i50.************/29xelc7.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i49.************/242aa00.jpg[/IMG]

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Old March 1st, 2010, 06:43 PM   #365
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Since you are interested in Serbian coaches here are some more pictures. This one is a Y:

[IMG]http://i49.************/zlu52e.jpg[/IMG]

B

[IMG]http://i46.************/2hpoj5s.jpg[/IMG]

AB

[IMG]http://i48.************/5m0qpl.jpg[/IMG]

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Old March 1st, 2010, 06:50 PM   #366
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Al

[IMG]http://i46.************/14agdgg.jpg[/IMG]

ABlm

[IMG]http://i49.************/ebahdu.jpg[/IMG]

Ac

[IMG]http://i45.************/15g2stg.jpg[/IMG]

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Old March 1st, 2010, 06:58 PM   #367
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WR

[IMG]http://i49.************/20z2vs9.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i47.************/732ur5.jpg[/IMG]

Atl

[IMG]http://i50.************/izq80h.jpg[/IMG]

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Old March 1st, 2010, 07:33 PM   #368
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Since you are interested in Serbian coaches here are some more pictures. This one is a Y:

[IMG]http://i49.************/zlu52e.jpg[/IMG]

B

[IMG]http://i46.************/2hpoj5s.jpg[/IMG]

AB

[IMG]http://i48.************/5m0qpl.jpg[/IMG]

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Thank you for very nice pictures! I like the style of Serbian coaches
There is very lot of coaches type UIC Y in Serbia. But do you know when GOŠA built the first coach of Y-type? I had heard 1964 or 1965. Is that correct?

In begin of 1960's GOŠA built some coaches who were 26,4 long and the size of them were similar to UIC type X. But the didn’t look like UIC type X, they looked quite different. Some of them were couchettes. They hade big slam doors too. How old could those be?

One more thing is interesting. In serbia you have some sleeping cars (kola za spavanje in Serbian) who are a Spanish type. It is the same type like the Spanish type YF.
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Old March 1st, 2010, 08:33 PM   #369
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I’m afraid I don’t know when GOSA started making them. Apparently they acquired the bogie license from Wegman.
X coaches were made from 1959 to 1964. First ones were delivered by Polish Pafawag and then GOSA took over the production.

[IMG]http://i46.************/uo6yg.jpg[/IMG]

This one is from Macedonia:

[IMG]http://i46.************/w8oriw.jpg[/IMG]

In Serbia they are used as utility coaches:

[IMG]http://i50.************/2vlo5lu.jpg[/IMG]

As for the Spanish coaches maybe you are referring to these made by CAF. As far as I know they are all retired.

[IMG]http://i47.************/o5uh3b.jpg[/IMG]

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Old March 1st, 2010, 09:23 PM   #370
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I’m afraid I don’t know when GOSA started making them. Apparently they acquired the bogie license from Wegman.
X coaches were made from 1959 to 1964. First ones were delivered by Polish Pafawag and then GOSA took over the production.

[IMG]http://i46.************/uo6yg.jpg[/IMG]

This one is from Macedonia:

[IMG]http://i46.************/w8oriw.jpg[/IMG]

In Serbia they are used as utility coaches:

[IMG]http://i50.************/2vlo5lu.jpg[/IMG]

As for the Spanish coaches maybe you are referring to these made by CAF. As far as I know they are all retired.

[IMG]http://i47.************/o5uh3b.jpg[/IMG]

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I remember in the begin of 1990’s some of the old type X coaches were still in service in Serbia, or maybe in Montenegro. Some of the old type X had bogies type Wegmann and some other had older bogies. But maybe the Wegmann is not original on type X?

In Greece there were some old X-coaches from GOŠA at the Greek railways OSE. And I know OSE also had some Y-coaches from GOŠA.

Its also very interesting that GOŠA built the Y-coaches with bogies type Wegmann and not Minden-Deutz. In many European countries the bogies from Minden-Deutz was the standard model. Here in Sweden Minden-Deutz was standard from 1954. Wegmann is a sort of bogies you don’t see so much in other countries. In Germany they had Wegmann at some sleeping cars type WLABmh174. But it was only the first ones who had Wegmann. The rest of them had Minden-Deutz. But I had travelled with Serbian coaches with Wegmann and I think the bogies are very good. The are very comfortable. So I don’t know why they didn’t made coaches with Wegmann in more countries.

But I know the later produced Y-coaches in Serbia have the modern Minden-Deutz 52 instead of Wegmann. They are produced by GOŠA. In Hungary they have some Z1-coaches who are made by GOŠA and they have also Minden-Deutz 52.
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Old March 1st, 2010, 10:02 PM   #371
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The original bogie for the X was Polish Goerlitz. As for the Y coaches I’m only guessing but since Yugoslav Railways also bought coaches from Wegmann maybe they achieved a good price for the bogies.
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Old March 2nd, 2010, 02:28 PM   #372
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The original bogie for the X was Polish Goerlitz. As for the Y coaches I’m only guessing but since Yugoslav Railways also bought coaches from Wegmann maybe they achieved a good price for the bogies.
How did the Wegmann coaches look like? Did they look like DB-coaches?

Do you know when the last X-coaches in Serbia were retired?
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Old March 2nd, 2010, 04:06 PM   #373
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They are still working but only as a touristic train: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=132

I don’t know when did they retired X coaches from regular passenger service but they are still using them for utility purposes. The Macedonian one was used on a Beograd-Skopje train in 2008. I don’t know is it still running.
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Old March 2nd, 2010, 04:10 PM   #374
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Guys I just want to inform you that ************ has fu#kt up my images. If you see some strange or offensive images in here I want you to know that they are not from me.
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Old May 3rd, 2010, 02:36 PM   #375
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"Serbian Railways" and "Metrovagonmash" from Russia signed the Contract about purchase of ten new diesel - motor trains

Wednesday, 14. April 2010.


"Serbian Railways" Director General Milovan Marković and manager of Russian company "Metrovagonmaš" Vladimir Oseev signed on April 14 in Belgrade the Contract about purchase of ten new diesel - motor trains, from the credit of international railway bank "Eurofima".

"Serbian Railways", after almost three decades are acquiring new trains for the passenger traffic, which should, as planned, improve internal, especially regional traffic, on the non-electrified lines in Serbia.


The ambassador of Russian Federation in Serbia, Aleksandar Vasiljevič Konuzin, was present on the Contract signing, as well as State Secretary in the Ministry for the Infrastructure of the Republic of Serbia Slavoljub Vukićević, PhD, and the president of the Managing Board of the "Serbian Railways" Zoran Anđelković, as well as representatives of "Serbian Railways" and "Metrovagonmaš".

- The value of the Contract is 34 million 380 thousands Swiss franks, and beside the acquisition of new ten diesel - motor trains, it includes purchase of the tools and equipment for maintenance, expendable material and spare parts, preparation of technical documentation and training of "Serbian Railways" staff - said "Serbian Railways" Director General Milovan Marković.

According to his words, the funds for acquisition of new trains were provided from the credit of the international railway bank „Eurofima“. On the Tender, which was organized by the end of the last year, four big European companies participated: CAF from Spain, "ŽOS Vrutky" from Slovakia, Russian "Metrovagonmaš" and Croation "Gredelj". Russian company "Metrovagonmaš", which is part of "Transmaš" holding, was chosen as the most favourable one on the international public Tender; realization of this Tender was followed by "Eurofima" itself.

- The Contract envisages that the first diesel - motor train will be on the Serbian lines in about one year, while the remaining nine will be in traffic in two years, at the latest , - Marković outlined.

- This Contract is extremely important because it is one of the first that is being signed between our two countries, which indicated that we have stable relations with the future perspective, because new possibilities are being opened four our co-operation. So far, our relations were primarily connected to energetic, but I think that the sphere of the infrastructure will become other in the field of our co-operation. I hope that this Contract will be just base for other Contracts that are being considered at the moment. I am especially satisfied because the Russian company participated on the international Tender and won, which says that we have to develop direct relations between companies between Serbia and Russia, - said the ambassador Konuzin.

- This is the first Contract that our firm signs in Serbia, and it is extremely important for us, because we are emerging on the new market, where we had not been present earlier. I can assure you that all conditions that were envisaged by the Contract will be completed entirely. I hope that we will be greeted on the same way when we deliver the first train for a year, and that they will be exploited in Serbia as your nearest neighbours Hungarians and Bulgarians do. I hope that this Contract is not the last one that is being signed and that our relations will be better and more stable, - said manager of the Russian company "Metrovagonmaš" Vladimir Oseev, on the occasion of the Contract signing.

New diesel - motor train units, as requested by the Tender documentation, will be produced according to all domestic and international standards. These trains will be equipped with modern air condition, ventilation and heating system, as well as with steering, control and diagnostic system. Their maximal speed can be up to 160 km/h, but the speed will depend upon conditions of the railway infrastructure in Serbia, therefore the Contract envisages that they can operate up to the speed of 100 km/h. These trains will have internal video surveillance, internal and external display, they will be provided with sound, as well as modern vacuum toilets for the people with special needs.Considering the technical characteristics, it is envisaged that these trains operate 35 years.

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what is price per one train?
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I don’t know but if we count out the costs of the spare parts, the tools, the training and the transport then let’s say 3 million per unit.
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I don’t know but if we count out the costs of the spare parts, the tools, the training and the transport then let’s say 3 million per unit.
$ or euro ?
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Swiss franks, read the article
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Old May 3rd, 2010, 10:58 PM   #380
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That Russian machine looks like an unbreakable tank from WWII Hope at least travel to be comfortable, something Russians are not famous for.
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