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Old December 16th, 2014, 08:49 PM   #561
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Thanks for the link - what's the expected completion date?
The beginning of 2017 or maybe the end of 2016.

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Old December 16th, 2014, 09:51 PM   #562
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Serbian minister of infrastructure Zorana Mihajlovic in one phrase is talking about
upgrading the existing line and in the next about construction
of the new line which according to should be built in two years!!!
So we must surely assume then that the project is actually what goes on all the time in Europe - a partial reconstruction of existing lines with some sexy new bits here and there.

Which is great, of course, there's nothing wrong with the idea of doing this. The new/rebuilt tracks will be mixed traffic still so freight trains will benefit from the increase in capacity and higher line speeds.
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Old December 17th, 2014, 01:05 PM   #563
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The HSR deal with China for Belgrade-Budapest railway as part of the greater project to connect Europe with Piraeus was signed today between representatives of Serbia, Hungary and China. Macedonian representatives also attended the meeting

http://tanjug.rs/novosti/158076/spor...---beograd.htm

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Old December 17th, 2014, 01:07 PM   #564
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So we must surely assume then that the project is actually what goes on all the time in Europe - a partial reconstruction of existing lines with some sexy new bits here and there.

Which is great, of course, there's nothing wrong with the idea of doing this. The new/rebuilt tracks will be mixed traffic still so freight trains will benefit from the increase in capacity and higher line speeds.
The route in Serbia is fine, also part of the route is already under reconstruction. However in Hungary the railway goes in the middle of nowhere and I think they want to connect some cities so I think they might opt for a different route ie. new lines.
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Old December 17th, 2014, 01:43 PM   #565
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The only one thing in reconstruction on Belgrade-Subotica railway line is
the bridge over Danube in Novi Sad but its construction is temporarily stopped
because of the lack of money.
I don't understand what those politicians are talking about. There is the ongoing
project (in planning) of construction of second track between Stara Pazova and Novi Sad
which will include the construction of tunnel under Fruška gora mountain and some new
viaduct in the same place. It will be done with russian loan and works should start in 2015
so I don't get what's this Belgrade-Budapest line for and I think that
serbian politicians are lying or they don't know what are they talking about.

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Old December 17th, 2014, 02:24 PM   #566
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Yes Li Keqiang is involved in lies of local politicians in Serbia, that is exactly what is going on.

And your post makes so much sense, because you are so surprised they agreed to reconstruct something that is not reconstructed or under reconstruction, how surprising!
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Old December 17th, 2014, 02:44 PM   #567
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We still don't know what they agreed if they agreed something anyway.
The time will show. Meanwhile they should accelerate the use the russian loan
for rail infrastructure. A few days ago in south Serbia international passenger
train 336 Skopje-Belgrade derailed in the point with speed restriction of 20 km/h.
Somebody should take care of these things because if not who knows what can happen..

http://www.juznevesti.com/Hronika/Sk...lisuri.sr.html
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Old December 17th, 2014, 03:07 PM   #568
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...and I think that
serbian politicians are lying or they don't know what are they talking about.
Politicians tend to be very bad worldwide with talking sense when it comes to transport matters, so I'm entertaining the idea that they just don't know what they're talking about while assuming that most members of the public are not well informed enough to realise.

But then I'm sure several of you on this thread know Serbia much better than I do so if you say this announcement smells of bullshit then I'll go with what you say.
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Old December 17th, 2014, 05:52 PM   #569
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But then I'm sure several of you on this thread know Serbia much better than I do so if you say this announcement smells of bullshit then I'll go with what you say.
It doesn't. Chinese Prime Minister wouldn't waste his time on nonsense and they've spent the last 2 years promoting this 10 billion credit line and looking for projects. It's not the only project, there are many, in both Hungary and Serbia but obviously other states too like Poland. In Serbia the other projects are the Belgrade bypass road and some power stations.
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Old December 17th, 2014, 06:00 PM   #570
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Okay, good point. Nevertheless I'll decide how excited I am about this project once I see the details of it, the route maps, the renderings and so on.
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Okay, good point. Nevertheless I'll decide how excited I am about this project once I see the details of it, the route maps, the renderings and so on.
That will be done in the middle of 2015 I think.
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Old December 17th, 2014, 06:32 PM   #572
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I can't wait to see the technical and especially financial details of this chinese
project. There is no any concrete info by now, just intentions and memorandum of understanding. We will have to wait.
Minister in charge for transport in Serbia doesn't have any idea
what transport and train is and how it works.
The Serbs repeat all the time
that we can not take more loans so it will have to be some kind
concession or maybe gift which is not real.

Putin was in Belgrade too promising billions of investments and what happened!?

After the possible realization of the line to Budapest we don't have trains
that can go more than 120-160 km/h.
Serbia is very poor country. Now we don't have money to maintain our 30-40 years old
rail vehicles fleet and because of that our trains go with one or two cars.
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Apart from mixing apples and oranges as Putin has nothing to do with China and their ideas to connect with Europe you are also making some statements that I doubt you can back up. I don't remember Putin coming to Belgrade and promising some vague billions and investments. So could you please elaborate? The only thing I can think of is the pipeline for gas but that was a serious project that was cancelled by politics (or not, Merkel now insists Bulgaria should go back to the table with Russians). But Putin coming to Belgrade and saying "we shall invest! billions!" that didn't happen. You seem to have a huge problem understanding that in countries of that size such as China or Russia or the United States politics aren't on such low street level as in Serbia. Russian or Chinese president will never get drunk and make silly statements and promises like politicians in the Balkans. If a leader of China or Russia or the US takes part in some project you should be convinced it is a serious project. Of course even the best and most serious projects can get cancelled due to vis major, but you are not suggesting that, you are suggesting that they are blabbering nonsense which doesn't happen.

As for the last part, I don't know know where you live but Serbia is actively replacing its fleet with both Russian diesel trains and Swiss Stadler trains. Hungary is also not using ancient trains.



I am pretty certain the right trains will be found for this route as well.
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Old December 17th, 2014, 08:18 PM   #574
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We should wait for more/any information because now
we don't know anything except that there are some intentions
from both sides.

New serbian stadlers still don't run. They may start running
in the beginning of next year. They certainly will improve the situation
in regional services but can't help in international services.
Serbian locos can't go more than 120 km/h, a few can 140 km/h and in Hungary
the situation is better but similar.

Due the lack of passenger cars serbian railways has launched
a tender to buy 15 second hand sleeping/couchette passenger cars
I guess for summer trains to Montenegro.

Those days, already fore one month and half, cleaning personal of railways
is in strike and they have blocked all serbian sleeping/couchette cars and
restaurants on Belgrade central station and because of that our international
trains run short without our sleepers.
The worse thing is that nobody is doing nothing to solve those problems,
nobody cares.

Belgrade's central station these days.
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Yes of course that's how the central station looks like, casually thrown wood logs and no services Good thing the Chinese are coming to introduce the railways to the savages
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Old December 17th, 2014, 09:36 PM   #576
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Old December 17th, 2014, 10:37 PM   #577
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Belgrade's central station these days.
Okay the track is in a poor state but isn't this station going to close when the finally-finished Prokop station opens?
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Yes. This station will be closed and new Prokop station will take over
its roll one day.
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Prokop construction finally commenced the other day. But the photo was taken at the widest section, those tracks might be largely unused. Anyway the whole point of this investment is the fact that the situation isn't good. If everything was great major projects would be unnecessary.
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We should wait for more/any information because now
we don't know anything except that there are some intentions
from both sides.

New serbian stadlers still don't run. They may start running
in the beginning of next year. They certainly will improve the situation
in regional services but can't help in international services.
Serbian locos can't go more than 120 km/h, a few can 140 km/h and in Hungary
the situation is better but similar.

Due the lack of passenger cars serbian railways has launched
a tender to buy 15 second hand sleeping/couchette passenger cars
I guess for summer trains to Montenegro.

Those days, already fore one month and half, cleaning personal of railways
is in strike and they have blocked all serbian sleeping/couchette cars and
restaurants on Belgrade central station and because of that our international
trains run short without our sleepers.
The worse thing is that nobody is doing nothing to solve those problems,
nobody cares.

Belgrade's central station these days.
This is some minor strike in company dedicated to taking care of passenger cars. They blocked some tracks for a day or couple of days.
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