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Old October 2nd, 2015, 08:13 AM   #661
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Indeed, for a total of 39 trainsets.
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Old October 2nd, 2015, 08:18 AM   #662
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Number of new railway bridges under construction in Serbia...


On the line between Belgrade and its satelite city of Pancevo (~150k pop.), whose reconstruction is being financed by Russia's RZD, new bridge is currently undergoing tests...










In central Serbia, on the Gilje-Cuprija sectioon of the Nis-Belgrade mainline, new 322 meter long bridge has
just been completed...












Probably most spectacular, construction of new Zezelj bridge in Novi Sad has gained steam recently, after months of delays...





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Old October 2nd, 2015, 02:45 PM   #663
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Old October 3rd, 2015, 05:40 PM   #664
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Passenger train from Belgrade "Danube" station to Vršac

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Old October 5th, 2015, 11:11 AM   #665
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Number of new railway bridges under construction in Serbia...

In central Serbia, on the Gilje-Cuprija sectioon of the Nis-Belgrade mainline, new 322 meter long bridge has
just been completed...
Thanks, Crazy, I was wondering why I saw a brand-new looking set of rails branch off at Cuprija and could not place them. It is good to see that after years of inactivity, there is finally improvements going on on Corridor X. Although traveling through Serbia at the moment is even slower than before so far due to the really slow speeds the trains have to stick to when passing anywhere near thee construction.
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Old October 5th, 2015, 02:17 PM   #666
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It is good to see that after years of inactivity, there is finally improvements going on on Corridor X.
is there any overview when which lots of railway infrastructure rehabilitation should be finished?
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Old October 17th, 2015, 10:01 PM   #667
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Belgrade railway station



Novi Sad railway station





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Old October 18th, 2015, 11:04 PM   #669
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What's the top speed on the system?
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Old October 19th, 2015, 04:52 AM   #670
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Thanks, Crazy, I was wondering why I saw a brand-new looking set of rails branch off at Cuprija and could not place them. It is good to see that after years of inactivity, there is finally improvements going on on Corridor X. Although traveling through Serbia at the moment is even slower than before so far due to the really slow speeds the trains have to stick to when passing anywhere near thee construction.
In 1990-ties railways was neglected under sanctions, and economy crisis during wars.

From 2000 to nowaday, all polititions are against railway, including present polititions. Some new rolling stocks and reconstructed sections of railroads are under outside political presure from east and west both.

Still there is no strategy and long term vision.

It is usual for mainstream jurnals to write about railways like a waste of money. The main role in Serbian Railways have pawns of political parties, and any enthusiasm or enterpreneurial spirit are prohibited. Hiden interes of polititions is landgrabing of railway land, in few cities.

The situation is even worse then in Turkey. There is the old train station in Belgrade, and most of the contents of the republican significance are built for more than century on walking distance from that station (ministries, parliament, main health center, university...). It generated development of hotels, hostels, restaurants, business buildings, all around, and it is in the middle of zone with the biggest parking problem in Serbia. There is no any organized protest against removing that station, and building new in the only gorge in Belgrade, with motorway as additional obstacle to intagrate it in the city. With relocating present main station, there is canceling one half of capacity of all passanger railways in Belgrade.

Private investment, and canceling the rail station with maybe the best location in Balkans is "the project of national interest", and in Serbian Railways there is noone to submit a complaint to the constitutional court.
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What's the top speed on the system?
Top speed is 120km/h, and that was top speed from 1935.

Today, on two short sections there are signals, wires, and rails for 160km/h, but there is no rule books, there is no equipment and tehnicians educated for maintance the railroad for that speed.

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Old October 20th, 2015, 12:43 AM   #671
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Could not agree more. Clogging up the Sava and Danube riverside with highrises sounds like a horrible plan to me and amounts to murdering Beograd. Why leave the riverside to a handful of rich people rather than everybody? And I agree that one should be able to understand the historical development of a city by leaving such major institutions of the 19th century intact.
However, is it not fairly easy to travel from Beograd Centar to downtown, just 2 stations?

In Istanbul I also hope that Sirkeci and Haydarpasha remain as passenger terminals. It would be a shame to sacrifice them to some hotels we have plenty of anyways. If I remember correctly (which is hard, as decisions have gone back and forth many times), both development plans for Sirkeci and Haydarpasa have been overturned in court, stoping these plans for the moment.
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Old October 20th, 2015, 01:20 AM   #672
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However, is it not fairly easy to travel from Beograd Centar to downtown, just 2 stations?
With "Mostar" loop, motorway, gorge, it is very expensive to integrate new railway station in the city, and there is no financial construction to do it. New railway station is 1000m from the closest tram station, and in streets around it is impossible to implemant even the bus lanes. Inside the station are four 100m long tubes for metro, but it is not sufficient, even if we spend few bilions to build it.

For higirises on riversides, they could make brownfield investment on the place of shipyard, with wide boulevards around, without problems with heritage, etc.
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Old October 20th, 2015, 10:30 AM   #673
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What about the rail link to Vukov Spomenik? Does that not get you to the city center quickly?
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Old October 21st, 2015, 04:14 AM   #674
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What about the rail link to Vukov Spomenik? Does that not get you to the city center quickly?
That is convinient only for suburban and regional raillines. That location is exelent, and only station of New Railway Junction on "Loop of 2", loop tram line which is symbolic border of city center. Present "Belgrade Main Station" is located on not more then 15min walking distance from all 6 main squares in Belgrade, and 5 central bus terminals.

"Belgrade Center" is 20-35 minutes walk from everything, and without any good plan for public transport (landgrabing is important, station, never mind). For example, if you use IC train from Szeged to Belgrade with average speed 120km/h (maybe a future IC), you cut that speed to 98km/h only by wrong location of central station!

Railfan Association has a proposal for:
- 9 high frequency (headway 10-15min) suburban rail lines, 2 southeast, 2 southwest, 2 northeast, 3 northwest (3 radial, 3 cross-city)
- 11 regional rail lines (headway 30-60min), 3 southeast, 2 southwest, 2 northeast, 3 northwest, 1 semicircle
- 12 intercity rail lines (headway 60-120min), 4 southeast, 3 southwest, 2 northeast, 3 northwest.

It is impossible to make this system successful with only New Railway Junction. The cheapest, and most feasible option is to save Old Railway Junction central corridor, and reconstruct it.


Cost for infrastructure up to 30km from downtown and suburban trains is between 800 milions and 1 bilion euros. Expected ridership in case of good menagement is 280.000 to 410.000 riders a day. TOD (transit oriented development) could be maybe 10 bilion euros, maybe more...

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Old October 21st, 2015, 05:48 AM   #675
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[B]Railfan Association has a proposal for:
- 8 high frequency (headway 10-15min) suburban rail lines, 2 southeast, 2 southwest, 2 northeast, 2 northwest (2 radial, 3 cross-city)
- 10 regional rail lines (headway 30-60min), 3 southeast, 2 southwest, 2 northeast, 3 northwest.
- 12 intercity rail lines (headway 60-120min), 4 southeast, 3 southwest, 2 northeast, 3 northwest.
Is there any more information on this proposal, such as graphics or documents?
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Old October 22nd, 2015, 12:40 AM   #676
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On this forum, there are some details of pre-feasibility study in Serbian, for Belgrade-Obrenovac branch.

That is for longest, and most expensive proposed section. It is long 31-42km depends on variant. We took into consideration 1 regional LRT variant (on tracks of former narrow gauge rail line), and 3 heavy rail variants.

We found out that, the variant from official master plan (plan of wishes, without real techno-economical analyses) is most expensive, with the longest travel time (longer then LRT with 50km/h speed limits in urban area), the highest opperating cost, and with the worst integration in present and potential urban development.

For long term, for 20+years economical life of project, the best is riverside line on the right bank of Sava River.
[IMG]http://i40.************/fvlqow.jpg[/IMG]

In Railfan Association there are few engineers, but that are volontiers, young enthusiasts, without proffesional references in big projects. I can show some parts from our proposals, but not whole, because we want to save our intelectual work from our "intelectual elite", copy-pasters, in deal with our polititions (including some our proffesors from faculties). Only thing we could do (and we are not ready yet), is to represent some simplified maps with explaination.
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On that map taken from bueker.net I have drawn proposed new railroads or doubletracking by red line. Black line is "Loop of 2", symbolic city center.


On that map taken from Google Earth, I have drawn proposed S-bahn network. Outside S-bahn service, there is a need for regional and IC trains.


On that map, there is a proposal for first phase of urban rail network, based on existing double track railroads. At present, we have only line 1, with 15-30 min headway.

There is no clear plan of decision makers to extend this system enywhere exept to make spur-line from "Belgrade Center" to Resnik. According to the results of our polls, official plan would atract 7% of present bus riders, line to Novi Beograd and Zemun 39%, and line through the Vukov Spomenik 71%.


Line two is our proposal to save downtown section of "Old Belgrade Railway Junction", and include it in network of rail rapid transit. Our proposal is tram-train type of light railway. There is a render.

When we published our proposal, our prime-ministar publicly stated that we are the enemies of development. Of there is a interest, we could translate some of our articles in English.

Our blog is:
http://vozoljubitelji.blogspot.rs/20...blog-post.html
We have no money for website with paid domain. We are young organization, and have more ideas then expirience, organization skills and resources.
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Old October 23rd, 2015, 02:39 AM   #678
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Does tram-train provide any real benefits that the existing tram doesn't have? Will it be grade-separate (away from roads and other trams).

I always thought that the best solution for BG was to have a Medium Capacity System

From my amateur experience with the Vancouver Skytrain, it seems like a very good solution for BG. Frequency is really high (as low as 3 minutes per train) and according to wikipedia, capacity is as high as 15.000 per hour. Apparently the newest complete line, Canada Line, can do 15,1 km in 25 minutes. From my calculations, that is an average speed of 36 kph.

I think this is a great compromise for BG because this can meet the needs at a lower cost then a true "heavy" metro.
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Old October 27th, 2015, 10:41 PM   #679
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IC 431 "Tara" Belgrade - Bar

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Passenger train 2100 Vrbnica - Belgrade

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