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Old December 22nd, 2015, 08:58 AM   #701
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Bela Crkva? Are they now reopening some of the Vojvodina lines that were abandoned in decades past?
Bela Crkva was this year a summer only service, during the weekend.
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Old December 23rd, 2015, 12:44 AM   #702
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New Railway station Belgrade Center "Prokop" 15.12.2015. (under construction)











1. http://www.beogradcvor.rs/files/foto...15.12.2015.pdf

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Old December 23rd, 2015, 03:08 AM   #703
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Regarding Beograd Centar:
When will the station become fully operational? Will then all trains go there instead of using the current central station?
How will the new station be integrated into the urban public transport network?
The current station is close to downtown and well connected by tramways and busses, but the new Beograd Centar station is in the middle of nowhere - so what will be the benefits for rail passengers?
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Old December 23rd, 2015, 02:16 PM   #704
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Belgrade-Budapest railway reconstruction funded by China began today (actual works will probably start in 2-3 months)

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Old December 26th, 2015, 11:46 PM   #705
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It will not be full HSR though, no?

EDIT: I checked and it seems to be 200. Told ya full HSR does not make economical sense. Nevertheless, even an upgrade to 200 (if engines and coaches are available and signalling is upgraded) is impressive. It would be a 90 minute journey to Subotica (with stops) and possibly just 4 hours to Budapest.
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Old December 26th, 2015, 11:56 PM   #706
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By Serbian standards it will be Maglev But cutting down from 9 hours to 2.5 hours will be a major improvement. For this distance if they went for Chinese speeds it would have meant that the trip would take 1.5 hours but that hour of difference would be to insignificant to justify the costs, simply after certain speeds the infrastructure required is totally different and much more expensive.
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Old December 27th, 2015, 12:36 AM   #707
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It will not be full HSR though, no?

EDIT: I checked and it seems to be 200. Told ya full HSR does not make economical sense. Nevertheless, even an upgrade to 200 (if engines and coaches are available and signalling is upgraded) is impressive. It would be a 90 minute journey to Subotica (with stops) and possibly just 4 hours to Budapest.
It won't be 200 on all sections but 160 on some and 200 on other. And we don't know what will happen in Hungary, I think there is still a debate whether the international corridor should be moved and the upgrade done on Budapest-Kecskemet-Szeged railway (which would frankly make more sense) instead of the current Budapest-middle-of-nowhere-Kelebia corridor. They could go for a higher speed.

The aim is not 4 hours to Budapest but 2.5 hours.
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Old December 28th, 2015, 02:00 AM   #708
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It won't be 200 on all sections but 160 on some and 200 on other. And we don't know what will happen in Hungary, I think there is still a debate whether the international corridor should be moved and the upgrade done on Budapest-Kecskemet-Szeged railway (which would frankly make more sense) instead of the current Budapest-middle-of-nowhere-Kelebia corridor. They could go for a higher speed.

The aim is not 4 hours to Budapest but 2.5 hours.
I see, I was thinking of 4 hours includinb border times and assuming that there would be several intermediate stops.

Anyway, 200 is good indeed, in Romania despite EU investments NO section has been upgraded to more than 200, even the completely straight line from Bucharest to Constanta.

And yes, I never thought about it, but the rerouting through Kecskemet and Szeged would only add some 25-30 km to the line, depending on them moving Szeged station, of course...
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Old December 28th, 2015, 02:27 AM   #709
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Border controls would be changed entirely and will be made to look like those between Russia and Finland likely (control done on board, train not slowing down).



Interestingly enough the 200 sections will not be part of this job but the ongoing reconstruction done by RZhD. I think it's the section Belgrade-Novi Sad
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Old December 28th, 2015, 02:50 AM   #710
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I bet Serbia will enter EU (and maybe even Schengen) before this project is fully completed. Especially Hungarians don't seem too eager.
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Old December 28th, 2015, 03:00 AM   #711
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I bet Serbia will enter EU (and maybe even Schengen) before this project is fully completed. Especially Hungarians don't seem too eager.
Lol, it's a Hungarian proposal!









and it will be finished in 2017 by which Serbia will not enter the EU.
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Old December 28th, 2015, 10:17 AM   #712
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Ok, we'll see

Wanna take a bet that it won't be finished by the end of 2017? No, let's make that 2018 at least.
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Old December 28th, 2015, 11:19 AM   #713
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If it were up to Serbs I'd say 2117 would be the best bet but since none of the Chinese led infrastructure projects in Serbia had any delays I have no reason to doubt this one will have either.
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Old December 29th, 2015, 02:51 AM   #714
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The last time I took ''Ivo Andric'' train on Budapest-Belgrade
route just three passengers crossed the border so border control will not be a problem
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Old December 31st, 2015, 08:09 PM   #715
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Old January 26th, 2016, 12:27 PM   #716
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First phase of the construction of the new Central Railway Station in Belgrade is finished











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Old January 26th, 2016, 04:19 PM   #717
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Looks a bit subwayey

I hope later developments give it the appearance of a Central Station
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Old January 26th, 2016, 04:39 PM   #718
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This is the platform part. If you think there will be a neoclassical dome structure, there won't be. The next phase is to build a station building with shopping mall above platforms.
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Old January 26th, 2016, 05:16 PM   #719
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When will it replace the old Beograd station?
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For the full decommission of the old railway there needs to be a new bridge near Vinca.
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