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Old April 3rd, 2017, 11:01 PM   #781
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Considering Serbia it is alredy happen,on begining of may construction work will begun.Chinese party accepted to construct railroad on european
technical standards, so theres no problem at all.
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Old November 26th, 2017, 08:52 PM   #784
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Just a nice pic for the end....Belgrade's bridges (Ada Bridge not seen)

Note the massive Belgrade Waterfront development (former rail yards)

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Old November 28th, 2017, 10:13 AM   #785
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Procurement for the upgrading of the Soroksár (incl.) — Kelebia (country border) section (EPC contract, Design&Build) of the Budapest-Begrade railway line was launched yesterda.

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Old December 1st, 2017, 08:59 PM   #786
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Procurement for the upgrading of the Soroksár (incl.) — Kelebia (country border) section (EPC contract, Design&Build) of the Budapest-Begrade railway line was launched yesterda.

http://ted.europa.eu/udl?uri=TED:NOT...:HU:HTML&src=0

The link you gave seems to contain a tender by BKV (Budapest city transit company) for new busses...

Anyway, a posting concerning a tender for the Hungarian part of the railway line Budapest - Belghrade would be more suitable in the Hungary-thread, IMHO.
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Old December 4th, 2017, 07:01 PM   #787
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Old December 17th, 2017, 10:16 PM   #788
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Stara Pazova – Novi Sad funding agreement
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RZD International has been working on the upgrading of Corridor X in Serbia for several years.

SERBIA: Infrastructure manager Infrastruktura Železnice Srbije and RZD International have signed an agreement releasing further funding for work on the Beograd – Budapest upgrading project.

Signed by IŽS CEO Miroljub Jevtić and RZD International CEO Sergey Pavlov, Annexe 3.2 of the accord allocates funding from a US$800m Russian loan agreed in 2013 towards the upgrading and double-tracking of the 40·4 km Stara Pazova – Novi Sad line. Expected to cost US$247·9m, the upgrading project is scheduled to get underway in the first quarter of 2018.

As part of the double-tracking project, RZD International will build three viaducts and 19 bridges and the 1 100 m long Čortanovci tunnel. A new station will be constructed at Beška, while the existing stations at Sremski Karlovci, Indjija and Petrovaradin are to be modernised.

IŽS had previously signed an agreement covering construction of the tunnel. This is costed at US$350m, of which 75% will be financed from the Russian loan and 15% by the Serbian state budget. Work began on September 18 and the tunnel is due for completion by early 2022.

The remainder of the Russian loan has been used to fund modernisation work on the Beograd – Pančevo line, six sections of trans-European Corridor X and the Serbian part of the Beograd – Bar line, as well as the purchase of 27 DMUs from Metrovagonmash which had all been delivered by the end of 2016.


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Old December 27th, 2017, 12:54 AM   #789
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PETITION: MAIN RAILWAY STATION MUST STAY IN THE CENTER OF BELGRADE

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PETITION: MAIN RAILWAY STATION MUST STAY IN THE CENTER OF BELGRADE[/B]

We demand from authorities in Belgrade and Serbia to keep the main passenger train station in the historic, administrative, culture, education and touristic center of Belgrade. By that, we mean the remainder of the present Railway Station on Sava Square, in relation to which Belgrade was developing as a capital and one of the most important metropolises in Southeast Europe.

In relation to the Railway Station was developed street and tram networks, craft and shopping districts, hotels, most prestigious secondary schools (Nikola Tesla, Mathematical and Philological Gymnasium), central buildings of state importance, public transport nodes, most of the embassies, or everything from which the new station in Prokop("Belgrade Center") is too far away. The relocation the majority of main raillines to unfinished station "Belgrade Center" in Prokop already results in few times lower ridership, even on reconstructed track to Valjevo and Užice! After reconstruction, travel time by trains is shorter than by bus. But location very modestly served by public transport, and outside of any major point which atract the passengers results in historically the lowest ridership!

As a reason for moving the majority of trains from railway station in the center of Belgrade from December 10th 2017, with plan to remove few remaining trains until the end of 2018 is the project "Belgrade Waterfront". In the countries of the first and second world, and even in third world countries that have a vision of development, the investors who really are that, consider the locations near the active passenger railway stations as the most attractive for high investment! The reason is that the railway is the only transport system that has the technical capabilities to transport a large number of people from large distances quickly, economically and directly, while occupying a minimum surface area. After removing unused warehouses, barns, bus parking lots, concrete bases around main railway station, it is completely clear how is little part of the land which is occupied by the passenger rail in the Sava Amphitheater development zone.

Economically reasonable governments of the world, when investing in new large railway stations like Prokop, do so to increase capacity and form new development zones. Never to break the development related to the location of old railway stations, and never give that for private construction on several hectares, how many functional passenger stations they use in the city center. There are cases in the world when the conversion of these few hectares is desired, and then such railway stations become underground, remaining in the same place.
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Old December 28th, 2017, 12:27 AM   #790
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Petition has rejected,it s a political matter .City elections on march 2018.
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Old December 29th, 2017, 01:44 PM   #791
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Petition has rejected,it s a political matter .City elections on march 2018.
Is there any political party that wants Beograd Glavni to remain open for railway traffic?
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Old December 30th, 2017, 02:22 PM   #792
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I don't think it is possible right now,because all rail passengers traffic form june wiil be transfer to Beograd center/Prokop or Belgrade new railway junction,besides Belgrade waterfront project is on going.
It is too late for any political party to changes current situation,now they turn to future metro project on that area.
Personly i im against this petition, because the way it's published after all being said and done and transfer of traffic over.It's is legaly illiterate,they adress to the public authorities too late when everything is over, with prefix "must",demand",especially they publish it before they even sent it to the authorities even if legally procedure requierd.

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Old December 30th, 2017, 05:58 PM   #793
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I don't think it is possible right now,because all rail passengers traffic form june wiil be transfer to Beograd center/Prokop or Belgrade new railway junction.
Has the closure of Glavni starting from June (summer timetable) somewhere been publicly announced?
Any clue if a track remains available for cargo or occasional heritage trips?
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Old December 30th, 2017, 08:10 PM   #794
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Is there any political party that wants Beograd Glavni to remain open for railway traffic?
No, there is not!

Petition is in proces of collecting signatures. My previous post I wrote in present tense, which give to reader an art freedom to think that it is in past or future

The railway station in the center is human and civilization value, especially considering the all development oriented to that railway station.

In Praha, when somobody tried the same with Masarikovy Nadražy, there was protests, and station stayed.

In Istanbul, there was also demonstrations because of plan to close Haydarpasa and Sirkesi train stations after opening the Marmaray. Turkish State Railways TCDD sued the goverment and won.

In Lagos, there was a plan to simple replace existing track with metro line. But again, Nigerian Railways won. Now, we will see how will Lagos find the solution for integral planning, without bad compromises.

I have made a blogpost with very detail explanations of everything, for people who do not speek Serbian, and have never been in Belgrade.



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The broader and narrower center of Belgrade is bordered using black. It is the place of the largest number of embassies, hotels, hostels, theaters, museums and other tourist attractions, administrative buildings of state institutions, the most important specialized high schools, faculties specialized trade and craft shops... Almost everything what makes Belgrade the capital and metropolis. It is also a zone in which every working day in peak hours almost all streets are congested with automobile traffic, parking is limited in time, it is charged, and in spite of that, demand for parking places is higher than supply. According to official statistics, the only two railway stations in the central zone on the line marked in red, Karađorđev Park and Vukov Spomenik, generate about 60% of all movements on that line. Those two are metro-like stations with only two tracks and central platform, made for regional suburban trains only. The reason why Prokop is not covered by a circular line that signifies a broader center is that between these two there is a gorge in which the highway is. The basic requirement that Prokop functionally become part of a wider center is to make a direct pedestrian connection with a very slight climb between the ridge at the periphery of the wider center and the middle of the station, about 30 meters above the bottom of the gorge. Then Belgrade Center/ Prokop would directly serve the southern part of the wider center. That is the district of clinics and medical faculties. Unfortunately, there are no such links in official plans, and that is just one of parodoxis in planning of Prokop.

Business center is marked with a green circle. It is part of Belgrade called Novi Beograd, which began to build before the Second World War on the former swamp. At the beginning of the development, that was a "sleeping district" without any events or atractions. But after the introduction of the tram in 1984, started the serious development of the hotels and commercial facilities. Especially after 2000, numerous companies are raising the business buildings and the largest shopping malls. The reason is very well planned area for construction, large and equiped lots, where investors have favorable conditions to build large-scale objects.

Insofar, the blue line on the map of the suburban railroad is out of logic. The red line does not use even half the capacity of the two-track railway either in the center of Belgrade or in New Belgrade. Fortunately, at the end of 2017, the plan to use Beograd Center/Prokop as the end point of bllue line is canceled, and from March 2018 it will share a common route with red through the eastern part of the center of Belgrade.

Finally, a purple color is marked infrastructure, which current decision makers want to abolish for a couple of hectares of land more for private construction. Tetragon is the Belgrade Main Station (Beograd Glavna). The new railway line with the railway station Prokop/Belgrade Center was designed during the 1960s as an upgraiding of the Old Railway node, which was then at the limit of congestion. In all plans, from then until 2014, it is planned that the New Railway Node will take IC and suburban trains, and that from the old railway station, regional trains and part of suburban ones will be taken. Since the last decade, the only railway station in downtown Belgrade is left to ruin, and also the track to it. it seems as if it was deliberately planned that the railroad would go to oblivion to grab the land without resistance. Paradoxaly, because in all other countries of Europe, the proximity of big railway station is the biggest adventage for investors who realy are! In public there are three main spins:
- "Railway is a chain, which don't give to city the opportunity to spread out near rivers".
- "Passenger railway make aproximetely 100ha of land in the center of Belgrade unusable." (Now, when everything is demolished exept really needed for passenger rail, it is clear that that is only approximatly 6ha of 100ha.)
- "The reason for building the New Railway Noad is to fully replace the Old Railway Node".
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It is not the first and the last time in that crazy world that someone want to demolish everything on the way to his/her insane idee fix. We would like to know more about international experince with those things.
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Old December 30th, 2017, 10:29 PM   #795
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No, there is nothing publicly announced.



Full article is on the next link.



It is not the first and the last time in that crazy world that someone want to demolish everything on the way to his/her insane idee fix. We would like to know more about international experince with those things.
Well, it’s all about the money, isn’t it?
Balkans are no exception.
Public authorities and politicians in the West of Europe are more aware of the infrastructure needs, in relation to demographic situation and economic development. Otherwise the negative consequences lead to a financial damage that is too big for a smooth running economy, and politicians won’t be re-elected.
So: impact assessments, a financial business case etc. are performed before decisions with big impact are taken.

In Slavic countries I noticed a lack of transparency and (as a result?) a more fatalistic attitude towards life, so is the case with the (side effects of) Belgrade Waterfront.
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Old December 31st, 2017, 01:22 AM   #796
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Prokop is not bad idea, but without metro it's more a complication than help. Its pretty obvious this station is unfinished. Railway building doesn't exist, when they plan to finish it ? When they plan to build metro ?

Pretty similar project is new Main station in Vienna, but of course they didn't destroy Westbahnof. General idea of new main stations in Europe is one big, not terminal, station in a capital as a central hub. It allows you to avoid (especially international) traffic splitted across "east, west, south" terminal stations. That's heritage form 19th century, when railways was built that way, that in capital cities was end of railways in terminal station.
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In Slavic countries I noticed a lack of transparency and (as a result?) a more fatalistic attitude towards life, so is the case with the (side effects of) Belgrade Waterfront.
Well tihis more a political statment i disagree, it 's a generalising words.Slavic countries are diiffrent in many ways; economically,mentality etc.north and south ,east and west.Slavic culture extends trough whole of europe.When we talk about resembles,it is launguage,letter cyrilic,custom of offering food and drinks,hospitallity,names etc.a More fatalistic attitude towards life? Well it is more bravery ,the ability to endure.And don't forgett that for decades slavic countries were under hursh communist rules ,nowdays we still have recidives toward comprehend westren way of doing bussines including transparecy but i ts not a slavic thing more a communist legacy.
Belgrade Waterfront is a good project for economy growth,new jobs ,material industry,modernasing Belgrade etc.Of course political opposition don't like it ,like on every other country they won't give it applause.

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Prokop is not bad idea, but without metro it's more a complication than help. Its pretty obvious this station is unfinished. Railway building doesn't exist, when they plan to finish it ? When they plan to build metro ?
Prokop and Belgrade junction is and was a progressive idea when was started,metro was planned and there is even exsisting metro station builded under the Prokop station.But good thing is that City rail "BG Voz"is running trough station on two directions to wider center and new Belgarde so it is alredy connected and with future main Belgrade bus station on New Belgrade side,but it is not enough.
Ministry for infrustructure Z.MIhajlovic stated that construction works for Prokop railway station building starts on April 2018.
Construction works for metro to start on 2020,line 1 but we stiil don t know how it reflects on Prokop station.

Project Prokop station

Now it i's a funny tourist attraction,"oh ,where is station building disappeared ?"

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Belgrade Waterfront is a good project for economy growth,new jobs ,material industry,modernasing Belgrade etc.
My point is that I’m missing the ratio here.
Does giving up Glavni match with the other (planned) developments?
Off course BW is an economic incentive, but how should all people arrive in time at their work?

I don’t read anywhere that Belgrade City Rail will continue to drive to Glavni...

And Wien Hbf... they merged two stations in the heart of Vienna into one. The Austrian authorities did not take away (international) trains from the heart of the (economic) center. So don’t compare an apple with a peer.
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My point is that I’m missing the ratio here.
Does giving up Glavni match with the other (planned) developments?
, but how should all people arrive in time at their work?
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Metro M1 is planned trough Belgrade waterfront under Savska street just below Glavna station,construction work to start on 2020.French Egis project.
Prokop new railway station will take all the traffic,construction works to start on April 2018.
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