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Old May 28th, 2007, 10:05 AM   #381
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^ thx for the info. this is quite similar to the rapid transit line we're building here in Vancouver, the Canada Line with 40/50 metre platforms.

it's amazing how both cities use the Bombardier linear propulsion system and are also using an underbuilt system (Canada Line and the KL monorail).

wish i could visit KL someday....the transit system is wicked.
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Old May 28th, 2007, 12:34 PM   #382
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^ thx for the info. this is quite similar to the rapid transit line we're building here in Vancouver, the Canada Line with 40/50 metre platforms.

it's amazing how both cities use the Bombardier linear propulsion system and are also using an underbuilt system (Canada Line and the KL monorail).

wish i could visit KL someday....the transit system is wicked.
Yes..its called the zoo transit system

-PUTRA LRT(Canadian).
-STAR LRT(LRT based on Dockland LRT,UK).
-KL Monorail(bastard freak of Japanese and Malaysian)
-KTM Komuter(mix of South Korean, Austrian and South African rolling stocks)
-ERL fast train(Siemens from Germany).

Now that's multi-cultural ,and we dunno what the new line(Damansara-Puchong line) would be.
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Old May 28th, 2007, 02:02 PM   #383
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^ thx for the info. this is quite similar to the rapid transit line we're building here in Vancouver, the Canada Line with 40/50 metre platforms.

it's amazing how both cities use the Bombardier linear propulsion system and are also using an underbuilt system (Canada Line and the KL monorail).

wish i could visit KL someday....the transit system is wicked.
The KL Monorail could have been built with more foresight, but the main purpose was for it to bridge the gaps where the LRT could not reach in the central business district.

However, I do love the Bombardier PUTRA trains on the KJ Line. They're quite fast on some sections and some give a good view of the towns and city.

KL city itself was poorly planned (if at all) so one could expect the transit system to follow.
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Old May 29th, 2007, 06:40 AM   #384
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Yes..its called the zoo transit system

-PUTRA LRT(Canadian).
-STAR LRT(LRT based on Dockland LRT,UK).
-KL Monorail(bastard freak of Japanese and Malaysian)
-KTM Komuter(mix of South Korean, Austrian and South African rolling stocks)
-ERL fast train(Siemens from Germany).

Now that's multi-cultural ,and we dunno what the new line(Damansara-Puchong line) would be.
cannot forget the new rolling stock for the KL-Ipoh service....the tilting train....spanish maybe?

(Don Quixote, tilting at windmills )
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Old May 29th, 2007, 06:42 AM   #385
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Yes..its called the zoo transit system

-PUTRA LRT(Canadian).
-STAR LRT(LRT based on Dockland LRT,UK).
-KL Monorail(bastard freak of Japanese and Malaysian)
-KTM Komuter(mix of South Korean, Austrian and South African rolling stocks)
-ERL fast train(Siemens from Germany).

Now that's multi-cultural ,and we dunno what the new line(Damansara-Puchong line) would be.
wow....you've got trains built from every continent except Australia.
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Old May 29th, 2007, 10:18 AM   #386
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wow....you've got trains built from every continent except Australia.
Comeng train? LOL
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Old May 29th, 2007, 10:19 AM   #387
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Yes..its called the zoo transit system

-PUTRA LRT(Canadian).
-STAR LRT(LRT based on Dockland LRT,UK).
-KL Monorail(bastard freak of Japanese and Malaysian)
-KTM Komuter(mix of South Korean, Austrian and South African rolling stocks)
-ERL fast train(Siemens from Germany).

Now that's multi-cultural ,and we dunno what the new line(Damansara-Puchong line) would be.
The cabins of the Star LRT are imported from Australia....
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Old May 29th, 2007, 03:34 PM   #388
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wow....you've got trains built from every continent except Australia.
If u consider the whole country,there are contenders fo future transit systems of other foreign makes in other Malaysians cities,JB and Penang.They are

-Russian monorail for Penang-the only foreign monorail submitted
-Chinese maglev monorail for Johor Bharu(JB)

Meanwhile for the double tracking project,some fast trains from several sources were(are being?)considered
-Pendolino trains from Alstom(consider Pendolino Italian despite its UK roots)
-The unnamed Spanish trains as allurban hinted
-Japanese,possibly Hitachi,like the one used by Queensland Railway.

After all that, we should get something from South America next.
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Old May 31st, 2007, 09:31 AM   #389
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KL has a nice system, I rode the STAR and Putra lines in March 2003, but WHY were all the lines built with different and incompatible technologies? Doesn't sound like good planning in that regard.
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KL has a nice system, I rode the STAR and Putra lines in March 2003, but WHY were all the lines built with different and incompatible technologies? Doesn't sound like good planning in that regard.
STAR LRT was built first using Dockland LRT technology. When the second line, PUTRA LRT was proposed at a later time, Bombardier technology was offered and selected for the second line. I believe the ART technology Bombardier was not around when the first line was planned.
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Old June 1st, 2007, 03:20 PM   #392
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STAR LRT was built first using Dockland LRT technology. When the second line, PUTRA LRT was proposed at a later time, Bombardier technology was offered and selected for the second line. I believe the ART technology Bombardier was not around when the first line was planned.
Not really.... Different companies offered to build the different lines with different technologies. The ART technology has been around since the 80's when implemented on the Scarborough RT (Toronto), the Detroit People Mover (Detroit) and Vancouver's SkyTrain (Vancouver).
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Old June 5th, 2007, 01:10 PM   #393
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If anyone has a smart phone, they can try to use a trip planner for KL, and give their feedback to the creator.

This is from a source working with RapidKL

"Do you use a PDA or NokiaSerie60 phone? Would you mind trying out the Nanika Metro database for Kuala Lumpur at http://nanika.net/metro/ ? You'd be able to download and do offline search of the yet "incomplete" RapidKL new routes in that Kuala Lumpur database on your PDA/Series60 device. Just give departure/arrival locations, it tells you the shortest/less-transfers routes.

If you have only WAP/GPRS phone, you can try accessing http://i-metro.mobi/ that uses the same Kuala Lumpur database, but the processing will be on the online WAP server, so incurs some GPRS cost (no prob if you have unlimited GPRS)."


Your feedback will be very valuable.

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Old June 5th, 2007, 01:41 PM   #394
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Selangor To Extend LRT Network To Klang, Kajang & Rawang

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Selangor To Extend LRT Network To Klang, Kajang & Rawang

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The LRT line will form a loop from Wilayah Persekutuan to Klang and straight on to Puchong, Bukit Jalil, Kajang, Ampang, Ulu Klang and Rawang, Menteri Besar Datuk Seri Dr Mohamad Khir Toyo said Tuesday.
well well well....oh, wait...HOW?????

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The state government, he told Bernama, has allocated around RM12 billion to enhance the LRT system under the Ninth Malaysia Plan by way of Private Finance Initiatives.
Amazing...they have this much money to spend? And they couldnt think of better ways to spend it?

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Mohamad Khir told Bernama in an interview here that his government intends to extend the line from Kelana Jaya to Klang as well and from there to link up with Puchong.
how, if they are using two different LRT technologies?

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So, the public needs to be given the best choice of public transport.

"It is either you take your own car or take the best public transportation. We cannot force the public to choose the worst, but we can force the public to choose the best.
right...and make them pay through the nose for a service they dont really need yet!

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Mohamad Khir said Malaysia as a whole cannot be compared with Singapore's steady technology advances and rapid transportation, "but for Klang Valley, we can compare with Singapore apple-to-apple within five years if we can provide more in terms of ICT and public transportation system."
yes, the comparison to Singapore....

a great way to waste money!!!!

Um...ok....RM12 billion to improve public transportation could be used in far more and far better ways than to just spend it on LRT...how many of these communities even need LRT? And what about KTM? Forgot about them?

This is just .... well, Im speechless....

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Old June 5th, 2007, 01:49 PM   #395
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Allurban what are ya talking about !!?? I don't find any wrong with the decision , we should applaud the move to spend RM 12 bil to build this line !!!

The traffic congestion in Klang Valley has become critical, almost every Malaysian household become too dependent on private vehicle--- i don't mind even if the govnt wants to spend RM 100b or more--- but plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz build more n more train lines in Klang Valley

Especially now -- the Malaysian economy is currently very strong !
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Allurban what are ya talking about !!?? I don't find any wrong with the decision , we should applaud the move to spend RM 12 bil to build this line !!!

The traffic congestion in Klang Valley has become critical, almost every Malaysian household become too dependent on private vehicle--- i don't mind even if the govnt wants to spend RM 100b or more--- but plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz build more n more train lines in Klang Valley

Especially now -- the Malaysian economy is currently very strong !
nope, Allurban is not wrong. He has his points. Spending a huge amount of money on LRT is just a waste of money if bus system is not upgraded as well.

Selangor state gov should use the existing KTM line to extend from there since the facility is always under estimate. Spending all the money in LRT doesnt mean that the transportation system in klang valley will improve astronomically. It is because the travel time to city has been increased and the users are going to bare the cost of using this facitities. At the end the commuters will just use their private vehicles. Besides, government shouldnt consider LRT to serve as a main transportation mode. However, due to the nature of the city layout, it is understood that why LRT was chosen at the early state of planning. However, when the lines and routes are extended to outer suburbs, bus system and mass rail transit, such as KTM should be intergrated because the population density is not that dense compare to the inner suburbs. Spending all the money in LRT system, such as extend LRT from Gombak to KLIA, isnt a very brililiant idea. For those who had travelled at Putra before, the cabins will be so empty after wangsa maju station. Just imagine, if the line extends further from gombak, will the cabins will fill up as well? Bus system may be the sufficient way to serve the needs of the commuters from outer suburbs. Funding should be concentrated in upgrading the stations and add in more rolling stocks. For example, Masjid Jamek station should be joined together not separated, so that commuters do not have to travel from the underground to the sky.

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Old June 6th, 2007, 05:27 AM   #397
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Allurban what are ya talking about !!?? I don't find any wrong with the decision , we should applaud the move to spend RM 12 bil to build this line !!!

The traffic congestion in Klang Valley has become critical, almost every Malaysian household become too dependent on private vehicle--- i don't mind even if the govnt wants to spend RM 100b or more--- but plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz build more n more train lines in Klang Valley

Especially now -- the Malaysian economy is currently very strong !
I have no problem with LRT lines, but not an LRT line that loops around the outside of the Klang Valley

I cant believe that the MB of Selangor would think that Klang, North Shah Alam, Puchong, Bukit Jalil, Kajang, Ampang, Ulu Klang, and Rawang are more in need of LRT than places like Taman Desa or KL city or Petaling Jaya or Wangsa Maju or Kepong or Segambut or any of the Damansaras.

I can see no justification for building an LRT line when it will be largely travelling through suburban and rural areas....especially when there are many urban areas that are crying out for more LRT.

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Dun trust that Toyo meh, maybe this is just an election sweetener.
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allurban, building a LRT system through out suburb area instead of urban area will robust suburb development, which mean...people can still easily commute from KL, let say...those who work in KL but reside in Kepong/Puchong/Kelang. currently, people who work in KL but live in Puchong facing a serious traffic problem every morning....!!

Khir Toyo is resposible for a whle selangor. so, for sure his desicion is for the sake of non-KLites...
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allurban, building a LRT system through out suburb area instead of urban area will robust suburb development, which mean...people can still easily commute from KL, let say...those who work in KL but reside in Kepong/Puchong/Kelang. currently, people who work in KL but live in Puchong facing a serious traffic problem every morning....!!

Khir Toyo is resposible for a whle selangor. so, for sure his desicion is for the sake of non-KLites...



Allurban and Johnsonooi, Khir Toyo is the MB of Selangor, not the Mayor of KL , so it's the responsibility of KL Mayor to lobby for lines inside KL .
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