Football Fan Emotions

[Patrick]

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awesome LECH POZNAŃ fans

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[www.sercan.de]

In Turkey all 1st and 2nd league stadia has to be all-seater, but the fans still prefer to stand

[Flogging Molly]

Ahhh, we get threatened with stand closures if stewards do not restrict the numbers standing.

[lpioe]

Originally Posted by www.sercan.de

In Turkey all 1st and 2nd league stadia has to be all-seater, but the fans still prefer to stand

I saw a game of the turkish League on TV a few weeks ago and it really surprised me that EVERYONE was standing, even on the side stands. I didn't see a single person sitting. I've never seen this in another country in allseater stadiums.
Is this common in Turkey?

[www.sercan.de]

Turkish league on non turlish TV? What happened?
Actually there are 2 main reasons
At small clubs: Seats are dirty

At the big ones (BJK, GS, Bursa etc.): Because of the small stadiums the fan groups (shouting, standing etc) are at the side stands and at the stand opposite of the main stand.

At FB there are many sitting fans, because they have enough seats
Fan groups are at the endzone stands.

Actually thats one of the reason why the new GS stadium will have foldaway seats. Otherwise many seats won't survive the first week

As i remember Süperlig stadiums have to be all seater since 2004.
But as you see its not a big problem for the fans

[1878EFC]

Does fans who sing make them good supporters?

Everton on an average game do little singing, but the big games the atmosphere is awesome. Still though not as good as other clubs. So does fans who watch a match mean they are worse than other clubs fans who sing. Everton sell out away games no matter where it is, taking some say 10,000 to nuremberg most of them without tickets same as Fiorentina with 6,500 travelling and only around 2,500 having tickets. Each place we have not caused trouble and got on with locals and had good reports in local newspapers in Nuremberg for example. Nuremberg fans where awesome the 'ultras' section was impressive they sang throughout, but i seriously doubt they would take anywhere near 10,000 to Goodison Park for a UEFA Cup group match.

Also during the bad 90s home attendances stayed at a good average despite us struggling throughout the decade, selling out away games in the process.

Long story short Everton fans are loyal and love their, club and will travel all corners of the globe in numbers to show their support.

[dudu24]

Originally Posted by 1878EFC

Does fans who sing make them good supporters?

And what does then? 10k hot-dog eaters or 100 singing fans? Choice is obvious.

Everton on an average game do little singing, but the big games the atmosphere is awesome.

That actually tells all about quality of Everton supporters.

So does fans who watch a match mean they are worse than other clubs fans who sing.

Absolutely, they are not supporters then, they are spectators.

Everton sell out away games no matter where it is, taking some say 10,000 to nuremberg most of them without tickets same as Fiorentina with 6,500 travelling and only around 2,500 having tickets.

So does any bigger club (in fanbase term)

Each place we have not caused trouble and got on with locals and had good reports in local newspapers in Nuremberg for example. Nuremberg fans where awesome the 'ultras' section was impressive they sang throughout, but i seriously doubt they would take anywhere near 10,000 to Goodison Park for a UEFA Cup group match.

So what, quantity over quality?

Also during the bad 90s home attendances stayed at a good average despite us struggling throughout the decade, selling out away games in the process.

Results mean shit, football is more of culture in Europe, look at Juventus, most successful club in Italy for decades and they have 20k average in league while Torino who has been more in Serie B than in Serie A has far bigger fan base in city of Torino.

Long story short Everton fans are loyal and love their, club and will travel all corners of the globe in numbers to show their support.

Could be, but that doesn't make them quality supporters, that makes them shitload of spectators.

[1878EFC]

Originally Posted by dudu24

And what does then? 10k hot-dog eaters or 100 singing fans? Choice is obvious.

That actually tells all about quality of Everton supporters.

Absolutely, they are not supporters then, they are spectators.

So does any bigger club (in fanbase term)


So what, quantity over quality?

Results mean shit, football is more of culture in Europe, look at Juventus, most successful club in Italy for decades and they have 20k average in league while Torino who has been more in Serie B than in Serie A has far bigger fan base in city of Torino.



Could be, but that doesn't make them quality supporters, that makes them shitload of spectators.

So you would rather have 100 supporters who sing than 10k who also sing. You've go to be joking.

Heres an example of Everton fans in Nuremberg, this is the away section and all around the home section there was pockets of Everton fans singing. We also started the 'We shall not be moved' song by the way.




The amount of supporters at a match is very important. Using Nuremberg game again as an example. The Everton players and David Moyes said they were overwhelmed by the level of support and it encouraged them to go on and win the game. Imagine how easy it would be too be up for a game with thousands of fans singing outside your hotel, now compare this with running onto the pitch and seeing as you say 100 fans singing.

Great support is not just about singing songs for fucks sake, going to an away game 6 hours away on a Wednesday night that has cost upto £100 not getting back till the early hours and then getting up for work is loyalty and good support. But in your view you have to have a little nursery rhyme during the match to be a good supporter.

I don't understand how fans who watch a game are just spectators. If your spectator you would have no preference of what team you support. An old person who goes to watch Everton week in week out who hasn't got the ability to sing is a bad supporter isn't he?

I say Everton have a great support etc, you say so does every big club which is not true Chelsea a so called big club couldn't even sell out their allocation at Goodison for a semi final Everton took 6,000 to Stamford Bridge. Chelsea are a rich club not a big club i think the level of support is a good indicator of a big club.

Of course results mean something. Everton fans whether the team is good and bad maintains good support when some other teams fans will just not bother to go too watch a poor side.

All of my examples could be used for other teams in England like Man U, Liverpool, Man City, Villa and Arsenal etc. These teams all have good support in my opinion and Man City aside i'd like to see the level of support if they went through a bad period like everton did in the 1990s early 00s.

[michał_]

1878EFC- I was always impressed by the numbers at English grounds, especially by fans of Everton and Newcastle. Still- numbers are only one of the factors. For xample- in Poland fans get their respect for chanting the whole 90 minutes. While watching games at Goodison on TV, I really almost fall asleep (level f the gae is one thing, but I care more for cupporters).

As for "We shall not be moved"- wasn't it started "outside football" by some band?

Now a bit of emotions still from yesterday's game of Wisla Krakow:

[GlasgowMan]

Glasgow Celtic v Glasgow Rangers

[dudu24]

English fans r a joke.. disgrace for what they once were

Arsenal - Dinamo CL QL last season.. it was on Emirates but by atmosphere is was almost like at Maksimir

[Flogging Molly]

Originally Posted by dudu24

English fans r a joke.. disgrace for what they once were

Arsenal - Dinamo CL QL last season.. it was on Emirates but by atmosphere is was almost like at Maksimir

Actually, I think you'll find Playing Dinamo is the equivelent of playing a Championship team. Its very hard to be lively for a game you are expected to whitewash and a game only an hour and a bit after you finsih work.

As with all away fans, they have the day to travel soak in the atmosphere, havign a few bevvies and will always sing thier hearts out.

Also at champions league games you get alot of 1 off attendees who buy the tickets to see european opposition.

[Flogging Molly]

Yep, its very commercialised within the domestic league now. However on thier travels when rules are more relaxed they are still unbeatable.

[dudu24]

Any game of any EPL side is pure crap comparing to what it was before, Arsenal fans in general were never known for some good atmosphere.. facts r facts, you can lie to yourself as much as u want So what, you are saying CL QL games are Championship level ?

[Flogging Molly]

Originally Posted by dudu24

Any game of any EPL side is pure crap comparing to what it was before, Arsenal fans in general were never known for some good atmosphere.. facts r facts, you can lie to yourself as much as u want So what, you are saying CL QL games are Championship level ?

I dont think anybody denying that atmosphere has gone down, but we we're explaining the reasons! Thats why when they can all get together and go abroad they are so noisy, boistrous and energetic watching England.

There are so many rules and regulations nowadays which are ruining football in this country from a fans perspective. However it seems the goverment will have no choice but to abandon the Taylor report and offer clubs the chance of 15% standing facilities in the near future.

Its very hard to put up flags in any stadium within England due to covering sponsors. They will be taken down.

And yes. Dinamo are the level of a top championship side. And yes, Arsenal have never been knwon for thier atmosphere's, but you wont get any better, fans then the English when they dont have restrictions on thier head at a game. International Tournaments prove this when they are still head and shoulders above the rest.

[dudu24]

Originally Posted by Flogging Molly

I dont think anybody denying that atmosphere has gone down, but we we're explaining the reasons! Thats why when they can all get together and go abroad they are so noisy, boistrous and energetic watching England.

Not true, your NT games are even more pathetic in recent years. Singing "god save the queen" 3x per game isn't really great support. Your WC2006 support was... mediocre at least.

Its very hard to put up flags in any stadium within England due to covering sponsors. They will be taken down.

What a lame excuse, its like that everywhere.

And yes. Dinamo are the level of a top championship side.

Ye, Championship teams usually have players we have/had and they are regulars in Euro competitions.

International Tournaments prove this when they are still head and shoulders above the rest.

Germans, Dutch, Polish, Croatian, Scotish... all those are far above English fans in term of actual support of NT (getting pissed at square infront of stadium doesn't really count as support)

[Flogging Molly]

Originally Posted by dudu24

Not true, your NT games are even more pathetic in recent years. Singing "god save the queen" 3x per game isn't really great support. Your WC2006 support was... mediocre at least.

Mediocre? 200,000 fans is'nt medicore! Lining the streets with England flags is'nt medicore!

What a lame excuse, its like that everywhere.

I think your main reason here is to have a dig at English football. Not uncommon when its top of the tree. There are more rules and regulations concerning safety at football matches then anywhere else in the world. Why many view the British stadia as an example of efficiency. And again, it was agreeing that the atmosphere in the top league has deterorated but it was explaining the reasons for this.

Ye, Championship teams usually have players we have/had and they are regulars in Euro competitions.

Championship teams have hugely talented players. My team for example has, Olofinjana - just got back from the African Nations from Nigeria, Keogh, Elliot, Breen, Ward, Foley - Republic of Ireland Internationals. Hennessey, Wales number 1 keeper, Freddy Eastwood, Wales top striker, Michael Kightly, England U21. In recent years while in this division we've had the likes of Jolean Lescott now at Everton, Lee Naylor now at Celtic, Paul Ince, Denis Irwin, Jackie McNamara, Henri Camara, Jeremy Alidiere, Kenny Miller, Seol Ky-Heon - all that have played with us in the 2nd tier.

Germans, Dutch, Polish, Croatian, Scotish... all those are far above English fans in term of actual support of NT (getting pissed at square infront of stadium doesn't really count as support)

Yes, of course! You sad pessimistic views of English supporters show you have an ignorance which go's deeper then football. I think its also a jealousy.

[dudu24]

Jealousy on what? Croatian National Team and its support is among top in Europe so i don't think i have something to be jealous about. I like your league a lot and i watch it on regular basis but i'm just being real about some things u English don't wanna accept/admit.

[Rohne]

Repressions, commercialisation and high ticket prices have killed english fan culture. It will need much more than just abandoning the Taylor report to get back to Europe's top.
In a smaller way you can also observe this phanomenon in Germany: Munich, Schalke, Dortmund - in the past their fan culture had to be taken seriously. Nowadays they're only a shadow of themselves. The only remaining German 1st league club where the home support is acceptable up to good is Frankfurt and - but with way smaller stadiums (where creating a good atmosphere is much easier) - Rostock and Karslruhe.
Concerning support Europe's top clubs have to be searched in Italy and Southeast Europe.