Property Trends 2010

[Minority]

Wishing everyone. Bountiful 2011!! So fast 1 yr fly buy. Been fun to read all the pole contribution to the forum. So we will be having a new 2011 tread soon

[novice]

Originally Posted by Minority

True. But physical prop can be tedious. Agents, tenants, many various taxes , maintances fees and wear n tear.

But wat I like is can leverage and it's a physical assets. But much said can be a real hassle to manage.

I would think commercial prop will be better. Coz residential tenants can be quite fussy when the prop start aging.

I like to invest in REIT but don't know how.
My mentality is like can put $1m for dp for condo (leverage somemore), but only $100k for stocks (no leverage). Funny mentality huh
Think a rational mind will say that my investment attitude is risky.
Not doing anything, just holding onto existing properties and bought a little gold and silver.

This is my wish for 2011. A repeat of 2003-2008 for CCR from 2013 onwards.
Happy New Year.

[cnud]

So what's the new year trend... anyone?

[Minority]

Flatish with risk from more clamp down n risk in interest rate raising. Inflation depending on us qe3??? Mass market n OCR seem to be pekish. Still waiting to see if the luxury market will really move. Hear that talk for a long time.

I wish for a bull year where all physical props go up n up.. But then again I m too old to sit on Santa lap to ask for a christmas wish hah hah...

[Minority]

Originally Posted by novice

I like to invest in REIT but don't know how.
My mentality is like can put $1m for dp for condo (leverage somemore), but only $100k for stocks (no leverage). Funny mentality huh
Think a rational mind will say that my investment attitude is risky.
Not doing anything, just holding onto existing properties and bought a little gold and silver.

This is my wish for 2011. A repeat of 2003-2008 for CCR from 2013 onwards.
Happy New Year.

Well I think it's a balance... Some physical prop n once u are cash rich reits div yield and capital gain shoud be one of the portfolio play....

[ayanami]

Happy New Year to everyone!

I have similar mentality. I am comfortable putting much larger quantum in property than stocks. Recently, I have been actively evaluating my game plan for 2011, and started looking at non-real-estate investments.

However, after some preliminary research and comparison, I find myself drawn back into looking at property.

I think it has a lot to do with one's knowledge, familiarity, and past conditioning experiences.

Originally Posted by novice

I like to invest in REIT but don't know how.
My mentality is like can put $1m for dp for condo (leverage somemore), but only $100k for stocks (no leverage). Funny mentality huh
Think a rational mind will say that my investment attitude is risky.
Not doing anything, just holding onto existing properties and bought a little gold and silver.

This is my wish for 2011. A repeat of 2003-2008 for CCR from 2013 onwards.
Happy New Year.

[bigbird72]

Happy New Year to all. A Better 2011 for all!

My bet is still on stocks. See a good 1Q 2011.
Other than SG, I think Msia should be interesting.

For physical property in 2011, enbloc continues to be small in
size (<$100m). With only small local developers playing. Big developers
will increase their exposure to PRC property mkt.

[SuperMax]

Originally Posted by bigbird72

Happy New Year to all. A Better 2011 for all!

My bet is still on stocks. See a good 1Q 2011.
Other than SG, I think Msia should be interesting.

For physical property in 2011, enbloc continues to be small in
size (<$100m). With only small local developers playing. Big developers
will increase their exposure to PRC property mkt.

Bro,anywhere interesting in Malaysia? Iskandar,Penang?

[melodies]

REITs actually got more "taxes", just that you don't see it readily and don't realize that they existed ("taxes" imposed by the REITs managers in all sort of ways).

Some people say REITs high yield. However, bear in mind that the "high yield" is probably temporarily, many due to financial maneuvering and low interest rate environment. You probably won't see that after some time. The "high yield" will just be an illusion, what with so many invisible "taxes", much more than you yourself physically owning the properties (but then many people just don't see that).

In summary: If you invest in REITs, the biggest winners are the REITs managers regardless of which way the market goes! (head and tail you also lose). You yourself physically owning the properties will be much more rewarding if you get it right.

Originally Posted by Minority

Wondering so many singaporean go buy property. anyone consider REITS... rather then physical property? Coz Physical property involves a few taxes, Time to manage it and maintenance of the place. Also taking into consideration of liquidity REITS is faster to liquid.

The only think I see in physical property is leverage. pay 30% and get a prop and rent it out. But these days the yield is not so good ard 2-3%. if consider the lending cost and cost to manage it plus the time take.

Won't REITS be a better option? ( taking out the leverage factor) if dont intend to borrow $. Yield is similar if not better for some of the REITs.

Wats the thought of the u expert here?

[mingwen]

Originally Posted by bigbird72

Happy New Year to all. A Better 2011 for all!

My bet is still on stocks. See a good 1Q 2011.
Other than SG, I think Msia should be interesting.

For physical property in 2011, enbloc continues to be small in
size (<$100m). With only small local developers playing. Big developers
will increase their exposure to PRC property mkt.

what singapore stocks would u recommend for 2011?

[bigbird72]

Dont know abt Malaysia physical properties.
But Malaysia resi for consumption, not for investment.