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XAN_ · June 28th, 2011, 02:57 PM

The most crappy point about those trainsets - why to pour money into other country economies, when homeland producers are still able to produce the same?
If the question would be about 220 km/h or 300 km/h I would be first to say "buy aboard"... But 160 km/h trainset is no rocket science.

pebe · June 28th, 2011, 05:46 PM

just curios: two driver seats ? is it standard in the ukraine to have two drivers ?

XAN_ · June 28th, 2011, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by pebe

just curios: two driver seats ? is it standard in the ukraine to have two drivers ?

Yes, all mainline trains on 1520 are operated by 2 persons - driver and his assistant.

***orland*** · June 29th, 2011, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by AlexisMD

Nice, how many ?

6 will be delivered by Euro2012 and 4 more by the end of 2012. First six will serve routes between Kiev and Kharkiv, Donetsk and Lviv.

vladygark · June 29th, 2011, 05:37 AM

How much money for those trains?

***orland*** · June 29th, 2011, 10:55 PM

24 mln EUR for each

Luli Pop · June 30th, 2011, 02:32 AM

why tow people control desk?

XAN_ · June 30th, 2011, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Luli Pop

why tow people control desk?

Default operation practice in 1520 countries.

Alex_Riccio · July 20th, 2011, 01:36 PM

Luli Pop · July 20th, 2011, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by XAN_

Default operation practice in 1520 countries.

thanks!

6opuC · September 22nd, 2011, 09:50 PM

made by ukrainian company. Vmax - 200km/h (some say)

XAN_ · September 23rd, 2011, 06:14 AM

It's 200 max, 3000 V DC and 25000 AC electrical train. It's produced by KVSZ plant in Kremenchug.

manrush · September 23rd, 2011, 06:18 AM

How many in-house rolling stock manufacturers does Ukraine have?

6opuC · September 24th, 2011, 12:20 AM

I know 2: Luganskteplovoz plant and Kriyukivskyi plant

XAN_ · September 24th, 2011, 04:52 PM

Actually:
Luganskteplovoz - Diesel locos, EMUs, DMUs, electric locos*, trams**
KVSZ - pass. cars, freight cars, high-speed EMUs, subway EMUs
Tatra Yug - trams
DEVZ - electric locos, bimodal locos for open-pit mining operations.

*actually it's just a licensed russian locos by NEVZ, not originally developed.
** discontinued for more than 10 years. Sadly it was only about 7 trams produced...

eibonvale · October 15th, 2011, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 6opuC

made by ukrainian company. Vmax - 200km/h (some say)

Wow - what a beautiful train! That has to be one of the best recent designs i have seen in a while, in both shape and livery. I have never heard of this one before - does anyone have any more info? What type is it? Is it in service? What sort of routes is it used for?

XAN_ · October 15th, 2011, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by eibonvale

Wow - what a beautiful train! That has to be one of the best recent designs i have seen in a while, in both shape and livery. I have never heard of this one before - does anyone have any more info? What type is it? Is it in service? What sort of routes is it used for?

It's actually an unnamed high-speed train by KVSZ (situated in Kremenchug, Poltavska oblast'). Its top speed is 220, but recommended service speed is 200. Two 9-car set are already ordered by Donetsk Railway. Power supply - 25 kV AC or 3 kV DC. Each set consist of 2 powered cars (8 powered axles total) and 7 powerless cars (28 axles total). VIP, 1st and 2nd class cars are avaible (1+2, 2+2, 2+3 seats respectively). BTW, it has a wider body than classic 1520 loco-hauled cars - so it require wider loading gauge, just like all other soviet-era EMU (ER9, ER2, etc.)
The first set is still under construction. First service run is probably due to 2012.

Harisson · December 9th, 2011, 01:35 AM

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High speed trains of «Hyundai Rotem» will run between Ukrainian host cities of Euro 2012 from May 15

http://ukraine2012.gov.ua/news/191/51076/

vladygark · December 9th, 2011, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by XAN_

It's actually an unnamed high-speed train by KVSZ (situated in Kremenchug, Poltavska oblast'). Its top speed is 220, but recommended service speed is 200. Two 9-car set are already ordered by Donetsk Railway. Power supply - 25 kV AC or 3 kV DC. Each set consist of 2 powered cars (8 powered axles total) and 7 powerless cars (28 axles total).

So this isn't really an EMU but rather a classic locomotive-hauled train, something like Talgo or TGV?

Can you tell what is the cost of KVSZ train for Donetsk?

XAN_ · December 9th, 2011, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by vladygark

So this isn't really an EMU but rather a classic locomotive-hauled train, something like Talgo or TGV?

Can you tell what is the cost of KVSZ train for Donetsk?

AFAIK first and last car will have some seats also, do it's a kind of EMU with low number of powered cars.

303450540 UAH for 2 sets

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September 23rd, 2011, 06:14 AM	#72
XAN_ Registered User Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 2,526 Likes (Received): 108	It's 200 max, 3000 V DC and 25000 AC electrical train. It's produced by KVSZ plant in Kremenchug. __________________ Ветры и туманы, версты и столбы Пыльные дороги до окраины страны. И нервное мельканье деревьев и огней Все так же будет продолжаться до моих последних дней...

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September 24th, 2011, 04:52 PM	#75
XAN_ Registered User Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 2,526 Likes (Received): 108	Actually: Luganskteplovoz - Diesel locos, EMUs, DMUs, electric locos, trams* KVSZ - pass. cars, freight cars, high-speed EMUs, subway EMUs Tatra Yug - trams DEVZ - electric locos, bimodal locos for open-pit mining operations. actually it's just a licensed russian locos by NEVZ, not originally developed. * discontinued for more than 10 years. Sadly it was only about 7 trams produced... __________________ Ветры и туманы, версты и столбы Пыльные дороги до окраины страны. И нервное мельканье деревьев и огней Все так же будет продолжаться до моих последних дней...

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