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Old January 18th, 2010, 03:44 AM   #61
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I think a number of posts here exhibit the tendency to equate old=bad. That may be the case with some of the older stock. After all, standards of comfort (and public expectations) have in general gone up over the years. But some of the older stock I find rather charming and full of the character of the nation it operates in, which is lacking with the much of the newer lookalike stock largely built by the big multinational makers. And cost cutting by railways have led to actual decrease in passenger comfort in some cases- witness replacement of roomy (if a bit frumpy) loco hauled coaching stock with cramped/plasticky "disastro" (desiro) DMU units.

As for Japan, where I reside, there are no real "bad" trains, in general trains are kept clean and in top maintenance condition no matter the age of stock, but abnormal crowding and delays occur with regularity on certain lines. The general consensus for "bad" railway lines are the Chuo Line in the Tokyo area, and the Hanwa Line in the southern Kansai (Osaka) area.
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Old January 20th, 2010, 06:43 PM   #62
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Look at these pieces of rail-junk we have in Portugal...

While our Gov´t show us CGI´s of multi-billion euros HSR projects, this is the reality we get in the secondary railroads all around the country (well, at least in the few ones which remain open...):




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Old January 20th, 2010, 11:08 PM   #63
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That reminds me Africa
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Old January 20th, 2010, 11:25 PM   #64
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How old were the pictures?

Thats some serious old stuff you've got there
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Old January 20th, 2010, 11:43 PM   #65
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How old were the pictures?

Thats some serious old stuff you've got there
All from the "noughties"!

Old stuff that should belong in a railway museum, restored and preserved, not rotten on the tracks.
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Old January 21st, 2010, 11:35 AM   #66
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i think the cdn ones are but ugly.........

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Old February 4th, 2010, 01:48 PM   #67
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Not that old but...

...our answer to amtrak, countrylink XPT. Shortest trip is an 8 hour fluro lit trip in a car with 25 y/o interiors & passengers from the lower pits of hell. The food extends to sandwiches and meat pies. The staff are essentially prison wardens trying to keep the peace.
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Old February 4th, 2010, 09:52 PM   #68
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Are they the trains the resemble the UK's HSTs? The insides look similar to the none refurbished MK3 coaches...


Notice the lights and AC vents...


Now transformed into this...

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Old February 5th, 2010, 12:05 AM   #69
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the refurbed insides are AWFUL.

GNER did it right, they are still the best trains in the UK. spacious.
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Old February 5th, 2010, 01:49 PM   #70
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the refurbed insides are AWFUL.

GNER did it right, they are still the best trains in the UK. spacious.
The XC refurbish was very similar to GNER, but I do agree with you as the GNER refurbish was the best, or maybe W&S?
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Old February 6th, 2010, 04:06 AM   #71
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Some ones in NZ.
NZR-EA class electric locomotives. These entered service in 1968 and are the few that are pure electric.


NZR DM electric trains. These entered service in 1938 and plan to be withdrawn in 2010.


These are in service with TranzMetro, a light rail service in the capital, Wellington and is a subsidary of KiwiRail. They plan to introduce some new units made by Hyundai.
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Old February 7th, 2010, 12:54 AM   #72
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NZR DM electric trains. These entered service in 1938 and plan to be withdrawn in 2010.
No way
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Old February 7th, 2010, 05:36 AM   #73
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Old February 9th, 2010, 10:55 AM   #74
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No way
Yes way. The last time these were rebuilt was in the mid 60's when they were "refurbished". They haven't changed since.
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Old February 9th, 2010, 02:56 PM   #75
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Yes way. The last time these were rebuilt was in the mid 60's when they were "refurbished". They haven't changed since.
The Dm/D units currently in service don't date from 1938 - but the design does. The oldest in service are from 1949 and were refurbed in the 80s. Still a bit past it though...

My nomination for NZ's worst would be Auckland's ADK class DMUs. These were built from 1967 to 1968 for Perth, Australia. Despite a refurb, they are old and unreliable.


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Old February 9th, 2010, 07:16 PM   #76
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I'm surprised those secondary branch line services haven't been replaced by buses.

I mean the trains are basically buses on tracks, really old overgrown tracks...
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Old February 9th, 2010, 07:23 PM   #77
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The Polish EN57:




This EMU, which was produced from 1961 to 1993(!), is the very basis of the commuter rail services in Poland. Personally I love those little old workhorses, but it doesn't change the fact that it is the crappiest EMU on the rails (excluding light rail services) today.

You can spot them everywhere, operated by various rail companies and painted in million different schemes. It is loud, obsolete technically, the ride is very bumpy, it accelerates with the pace of an old turtle, the doors usually works only when you ask them nicely and it hardly exceed 100km/h (making a variety of different funny sounds while approaching this crazy velocity) but it still is what you think of when somebody says "commuter rail".

Currently a lot of these trains are being modernized and although the companies began to buy some more modern EMUs it surely won't disappear from Polish rails for another 20 years.

That looks awkward!
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Old February 9th, 2010, 07:36 PM   #78
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I think a number of posts here exhibit the tendency to equate old=bad. That may be the case with some of the older stock. After all, standards of comfort (and public expectations) have in general gone up over the years. But some of the older stock I find rather charming and full of the character of the nation it operates in, which is lacking with the much of the newer lookalike stock largely built by the big multinational makers. And cost cutting by railways have led to actual decrease in passenger comfort in some cases- witness replacement of roomy (if a bit frumpy) loco hauled coaching stock with cramped/plasticky "disastro" (desiro) DMU units.
Well, if you are talking about vintage rolling stock on heritage railways that might be ok. Otherwise, I doubt newer rolling stock would be less comfortable, except in situations where they turned a "medium distance"-like operation into a commuter rail where people are expected to travel standing on low interval services.

These are the reasons why older rolling stock cannot be as comfortable as brand new ones:

- joint benches with no real individual seat separation
- lack of a/c or ventilation, with manually operated windows
- old suspension systems resulting in bumpy rides
- lack of noise-insulation materials
- use of compartments instead of open-plan seat
- toilletes which dumps waste on the tracks
- manually operated doors instead of hydraulic or electrical systems a button push away
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Old February 10th, 2010, 03:11 AM   #79
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Might take the cake for worst in Europe...maybe even outrun the one from China.
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Where is this train from? It resembles derelict trains in the immediate aftermath of WW-2!
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