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Old June 27th, 2013, 07:29 PM   #41
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Old June 29th, 2013, 07:46 AM   #42
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Old July 1st, 2013, 12:57 AM   #43
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It can be a potential Metro station due to high passenger flow. But there are several factors that make this project does not succeed at this point.

1. The physical integration with Transmilenio is difficult, due to the work of great magnitude between the station and the Metro BRT. The nearby Transmilenio Station is Calle 63 and its 100 meters from Lourdes.

2. The Plaza and The Church would be in danger of collapse, if the work is not done carefully enough.
Well, a transfer station at Lourdes wasn't my idea.

I've been trying to figure this out on my own, but I can't, so I'll just blurt it out: As far as I can tell, Bogota's most acute transportation problem is the fact that the Transmilenio dumps more passengers onto the Caracas corridor than the system can handle, leading to overcrowding and delays. As planned, the Metro will run parallel to Caracas and only a block or two way, thereby adding a great deal of capacity. The Transmilenio line along Ca. 10 and light rail along Ca. Septima will add still more capacity a short distance to the east. HOWEVER, I see no provision for an easy transfer between the Transmilenio lines outside the city center (i.e, along AutoNorte, Calle 80 and Suba) and Metro and Transmileneo lines in the city center.

To me, it seems essential that the Metro includes a station in the vicinity of Calle 80 and AutoNorte so as to intercept the Transmileneo lines before they reach the critical section (and, to a lesser extent, to facilitate crosstown travel between those corridors and the northern section of the Metro). Doing this would be expensive and disruptive because it would entail deviating from existing street corridors. But not doing it would cripple the Metro's usefulness as a much-needed alternative to the Transmilenio.

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Old July 1st, 2013, 06:29 AM   #44
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I'm moving to Bogota in August and was wondering if public transport is good enough to get by without a car. Unfortunately due to the exorbitant cost of cars in colombia I won't be able to buy one right away, so I'm going to be stuck with public transport for the time being. I'm going to be living near the country club.
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Old July 3rd, 2013, 06:37 AM   #45
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Old July 3rd, 2013, 08:34 AM   #46
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My source was Wikipedia, not entirely reliable, but apparently it was correct. Curitiba's system has the same length and transports 2,3 million/day, so it's still the largest in ridership by far. Maybe Bogotá has to improve the feeder bus system.
Curitiba system is like 9 times longer than Transmilenio. Transmilenio is about 95kms lenght, while Curitiba is more than 800kms lenght.
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Old July 6th, 2013, 04:03 AM   #47
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Well, a transfer station at Lourdes wasn't my idea.

I've been trying to figure this out on my own, but I can't, so I'll just blurt it out: As far as I can tell, Bogota's most acute transportation problem is the fact that the Transmilenio dumps more passengers onto the Caracas corridor than the system can handle, leading to overcrowding and delays. As planned, the Metro will run parallel to Caracas and only a block or two way, thereby adding a great deal of capacity. The Transmilenio line along Ca. 10 and light rail along Ca. Septima will add still more capacity a short distance to the east. HOWEVER, I see no provision for an easy transfer between the Transmilenio lines outside the city center (i.e, along AutoNorte, Calle 80 and Suba) and Metro and Transmileneo lines in the city center.

To me, it seems essential that the Metro includes a station in the vicinity of Calle 80 and AutoNorte so as to intercept the Transmileneo lines before they reach the critical section (and, to a lesser extent, to facilitate crosstown travel between those corridors and the northern section of the Metro). Doing this would be expensive and disruptive because it would entail deviating from existing street corridors. But not doing it would cripple the Metro's usefulness as a much-needed alternative to the Transmilenio.

Thoughts?

I see your point and I'm agree with you, the integration points are very important for the "multimodality" in a collapsed system as is the TM, and although all these works will be making in the long term, and will enhance eastern corridor capacity of the city, the integration is important, moreover a physical integration.

Are key points you mentioned to build some kind of physical integration, I think besides the main station in Caracas, there will be physical integration on Calle 72 (Caracas), Street 100 (Future Av 68), Calle 127 or 170 (Autonorte) and possibly on Avenida Suba. Nowdays isn't planned between the diferents transport modes, there is only a virtual Connection, through the payment system or cards (with transfers) but this will be discussed in a few months because the metro is at design studies and they are already running, so it may be a reality as you propose.

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^ Look the detail... Lourdes could have a TM + Metro integration!

Don't think it's expensive or remove agility to the metro system, good design and great integration can be given because the metro as a underground, can present many possible solutions.




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I'm moving to Bogota in August and was wondering if public transport is good enough to get by without a car. Unfortunately due to the exorbitant cost of cars in colombia I won't be able to buy one right away, so I'm going to be stuck with public transport for the time being. I'm going to be living near the country club.

The truth is very regular... but you had many odds:

  • If you work close to your home, you can use the "cicloruta" to go by Carrera 15 o Carrera 11 paths
  • Nowdays the public transport is becoming more efficient with the SITP (Integrated Public Transport); this buses are paid with cards, has integrated routes, are efficient confortable, etc.
  • For long distances, Transmilenio...
  • If you want to go more confortable, you can go by taxi, but remember to call for a service, instead to take it in the street


The last option is the public service, but I recomend you to look these options before take a decision!


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Old July 6th, 2013, 06:37 PM   #48
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^ Look the detail... Lourdes could have a TM + Metro integration!
Which, unfortunately, gets us right back to likely constructability issues at Lourdes.

I had this insane idea, though: get some new Transmileneo buses that are hybrids and that can take power from overhead wires like light rail. Then build a Metro-like tunnel for the Transmilenio that interchanges with the Metro just as an independent Metro line would. Then the integration points could be placed at almost any Metro station.

Venturing further into Fantasyland, equip the new buses with doors on both sides so that tunnel stations could have multiple platforms, allowing faster loading and unloading and enabling more than one bus per direction to be stopped at a station simultaneously. Equip the new buses with cabs at both ends, so they could reverse direction on a turnback like trains rather than needing a space-consuming 180 degree turn. That could come in really handy, since a great deal more Transmilenio riders will come from the west than from the east.

Finally, extend the catenaries along the Transmilenio lines feeding the tunnel(s), and eventually procure buses that run only on overhead electric traction. Use the all-electric buses to provide direct service to the integration points along the busiest routes, then use the hybrid buses to extend direct service along lower-priority routes.

Wouldn't that be hilarious?

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Old July 10th, 2013, 05:13 AM   #49
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^ All rigth... thats hilarious!!

But not all.


By this time, they are testing electric and hybrid buses for both the Transmilenio system, as for the integrated system bus (SITP), and even took his first advances, as the Cr 7 corridor , will be the first to have electric and hibryd buses replacing traditional buses.


"Padrones" Buses as known in Colombia, have such functionality you say (door on both sides) to be more flexible to the infrastructure of the city.

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Bueno muchachos, aca subo la presentación de Fernando Sanclemente de el foro del pasado 4 de Julio:

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Maybe in the subway design studies throw something similar to the idea you propose, Metro Connection with the Transmilenio, but we must wait these studies, since a physical integration of such magnitude can be greater than the cost-benefit can generate the construction of the subway.


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Old August 13th, 2013, 06:17 AM   #50
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The Transmilenio looks great, I'm probably going to use it very often.

That said, I still haven't seen a single picture of Bogota where the city looks nice. I'm getting a little worried about moving there!
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Old August 14th, 2013, 05:22 AM   #52
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^ With SITP, transportation will be more easy!

And I recommed you this thread! Bogotá, The Capital of Colombia. Get Seduced!

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I'm living in Bogota now and I'm very pleasantly surprised at how great Transmilenio is, although it does get a bit crowded, especially the lines to buy tickets. I wish they would add some ticket vending machines to help speed things up.

What I'm unsure about is this: someone gave me a "mi llave" card and it has the Transmilenio logo on it, but today I tried to put money on it and use it on the Transmilenio but I was told it isn't valid? Is it only valid on the SITP blue and red buses?
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Old October 1st, 2013, 10:24 PM   #54
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The Transmilenio looks great, I'm probably going to use it very often.

That said, I still haven't seen a single picture of Bogota where the city looks nice. I'm getting a little worried about moving there!

Bogota' is so nice and very well kept in every picture, that could absolutely be a European city !
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Old October 2nd, 2013, 06:27 AM   #55
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I'm living in Bogota now and I'm very pleasantly surprised at how great Transmilenio is, although it does get a bit crowded, especially the lines to buy tickets. I wish they would add some ticket vending machines to help speed things up.

What I'm unsure about is this: someone gave me a "mi llave" card and it has the Transmilenio logo on it, but today I tried to put money on it and use it on the Transmilenio but I was told it isn't valid? Is it only valid on the SITP blue and red buses?

First....

Welcome to Bogotá

So, Transmilenio, as you said, is very crowded even at the buses, the stations, the entrances, etc. in some stations has vending machines outside the entrance () at the entrance of the bridges and at universities, stores, etc. are vending machines. Another thing if you can do it, is get a agreement with a University or a bank that has their own Transmilenio Cards.

Mournfully "tullave" card only works at the "portales" (main stations) and BLUE, ORANGE and DARK RED buses and with the Transmilenio lines of "Calle 26" and "Carrera Decima" because there aren't any agreement on this issue. We hope in the future can fix this issuse.


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Is Bogotá the biggest city without a metro?
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^ Not sure, but I already made the question:

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Old January 7th, 2014, 08:58 AM   #59
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No, it isn't.

There are many cities with larger population that don't have a metro system like Jakarta, Dhaka, Kinshasa, Karachi, Ho Chi Minh City and Lagos.

Most of these cities have projects to build their first lines. Bogotá is trying to secure the first line and start construction in 2015.
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It has no metro but has an extensive BRT system. It's not that Bogota doesnt have any rapid transportation system at all.
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