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Old December 7th, 2014, 06:54 AM   #21
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Washington DC is already iconic. It has some of the most recognizable landmarks in the world: White House, Washington Monument, Lincoln Memorial, Capitol Building, Jefferson Memorial, Pentagon.
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Washington DC needs supertalls to be iconic.
I love a great skyline (I'm originally from NYC), but one of the nice things about the District is the lack of a skyline. It makes it unique…and it's among the most urban and European cities in the US. It's a nice contrast.

(And a side benefit is that most people have great rooftop views.)
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Old December 8th, 2014, 01:46 AM   #24
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Old December 8th, 2014, 01:58 AM   #25
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Washington DC is already iconic. It has some of the most recognizable landmarks in the world: White House, Washington Monument, Lincoln Memorial, Capitol Building, Jefferson Memorial, Pentagon.
When people talk about Washington DC, they make it sound like it is the greatest city in the USA were all important national and international decisions come from. It can be imagined to be a supercity with towering supertalls and skyscrapers, yet in reality it's just a few low rise buildings with a few museums.

Washington DC is meh as it is now. I feel like it needs more as a city in the 21st century.

If you look at other strong countries' capitals, they all have very nice skylines like: London, Berlin, Moscow, and Paris. The towering skyscrapers makes the country look strong and prosperous. Yet when it comes to the superpower USA, the capital just has a few lowrises which reminds me of a unimportant centralized town in the Midwest.
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Old December 8th, 2014, 02:06 AM   #26
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When people talk about Washington DC, they make it sound like it is the greatest city in the USA were all important national and international decisions come from. It can be imagined to be a supercity with towering supertalls and skyscrapers, yet in reality it's just a few low rise buildings with a few museums.

Washington DC is okay as it is now. But I feel like it needs more.
Washington DC is the capital of the United States of America. It's already the most powerful city in the world. Having 5,000 supertalls don't change that, and neither does having 0. Few museums? More like over 75. It does need more. It needs more density. Not necessarily supertalls though. I think what it needs is more vibrant neighborhoods to rival the Boroughs of New York, the Districts of London or the Arrondissements of Paris. Adams Morgan, Georgetown, Capitol Hill, Dupont, Columbia Heights, Atlas are all good, but there's always room for more.

Berlin has a bad skyline. I doubt even 1% of SSCers could name a building in Berlin. Moscow's skyline is dead and moribund (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/26/re...thing-but.html). London and Paris also have skylines way below their economic clout. London has only 1 supertall (barely) and Paris has none. London's skyline is even ranked behind Xiamen by Emporis (http://www.emporis.com/statistics/skyline-ranking). London has fantastic architecture is a small and middling CBD (The City) and taller buildings in another bland business district (Canary Wharf). Don't forget Ottawa and Canberra are also low-rise cities. Rome has few skyscrapers. Madrid literally only has 4 tall buildings and Brasilia and New Delhi have pretty bad skylines too. Let's not forget Ankara's middling skyline.
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Washington DC is the capital of the United States of America. It's already the most powerful city in the world. Having 5,000 supertalls don't change that, and neither does having 0. Few museums? More like over 75. It does need more. It needs more density. Not necessarily supertalls though. I think what it needs is more vibrant neighborhoods to rival the Boroughs of New York, the Districts of London or the Arrondissements of Paris. Adams Morgan, Georgetown, Capitol Hill, Dupont, Columbia Heights, Atlas are all good, but there's always room for more.
If it had 5,000 supertalls, then it would actually give off the atmosphere of being the most powerful city in the world.
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Old December 8th, 2014, 02:18 AM   #28
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Here's the major powers and their best skyline:
THE WEST
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ANKARA BEAT BY ISTANBUL FOR TURKEY
BERLIN BEAT BY FRANKFURT FOR GERMANY
CANBERRA BEAT BY SYDNEY FOR AUSTRALIA
LONDON BEST IN THE UNITED KINGDOM
MADRID BEST IN SPAIN
OTTAWA BEAT BY TORONTO IN CANADA
PARIS BEST IN FRANCE
ROME BEAT BY MILAN IN ITALY
SEOUL BEST IN SOUTH KOREA
TOKYO BEST IN JAPAN
WASHINGTON BEAT BY NEW YORK IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

BRICS + MIN
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ABUJA BEAT BY LAGOS IN NIGERIA
BEIJING BEAT BY HONG KONG OR SHANGHAI IN CHINA
BRASILIA BEAT BY SAO PAULO IN BRAZIL
JAKARTA BEST IN INDONESIA
MEXICO CITY BEST IN MEXICO
MOSCOW BEST IN RUSSIAN FEDERATION
NEW DELHI BEAT BY MUMBAI IN INDIA
Source: http://tudl0867.home.xs4all.nl/skylines.html

So of the 18 countries, only in 8 is the capital city also the best skyline.
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Old December 8th, 2014, 02:21 AM   #29
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If it had 5,000 supertalls, then it would actually give off the atmosphere of being the most powerful city in the world.
Depends on the power you're trying to project. Maybe for economic power having lots of corporate supertalls makes a city look important. For political power though, nothing is more imposing than a low-rise architectural treasure. What makes Moscow look more powerful: Red Square Military Parades and the Kremlin or the Federation Tower? Clearly not the latter. I can see a supertall in Gold Coast, Australia. That doesn't mean Gold Coast is powerful. DC shows its power through class. Cherry Blossoms, Art Deco Statues and White Neo-Classical Monuments are much more elegant and befitting of a world capital than a boxy supertall imo. Elegance and class matters for world status much more than supertalls imo. It's why Dubai isn't seen as the most powerful city by anyone.
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Among the dumbest things Ive ever read on this entire website. And thats REALLY saying something.
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Depends on the power you're trying to project. Maybe for economic power having lots of corporate supertalls makes a city look important. For political power though, nothing is more imposing than a low-rise architectural treasure. What makes Moscow look more powerful: Red Square Military Parades and the Kremlin or the Federation Tower? Clearly not the latter. I can see a supertall in Gold Coast, Australia. That doesn't mean Gold Coast is powerful. DC shows its power through class. Cherry Blossoms, Art Deco Statues and White Neo-Classical Monuments are much more elegant and befitting of a world capital than a boxy supertall imo. Elegance and class matters for world status much more than supertalls imo. It's why Dubai isn't seen as the most powerful city by anyone.
Dubai doesn't seem powerful since it's mostly a capitalist commercial zone, rather than an important world city were decisions take place. It's just that DC doesn't seem powerful at all. If something portrays political power, then these would be examples.





DC compared to these projects looks like a joke. If DC really is powerful, then they should show it.
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If you need to build something that massive to show that you're powerful, it means you're incredibly insecure. Just saying. DC is just fine without supertalls and the majority of residents like it that way.
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I recently moved to DC from London - neither cities are known for their skyscrapers, and never really will be, yet they're both considered world class capitals. I appreciate that there are many on this forum who would point to London's rapidly developing skyline and say that it will come to define the city. I love tall architecture, but the day that peoples' first thought is "skyscrapers" when it comes to what really defines that great city, it will be a sad day for London.

In the meantime, I've been to plenty of capitals in poor nations - and, in the 20th and 21st centuries, many of them have engaged in the kind of monument building that Сталин holds as an example for powerful nations to put up to demonstrate their might. And you know what? It's often tragic. Vientiane in Laos has a huge arch slap bang in the middle of the city made of concrete - concrete that was originally donated so they could build an airport runway. Instead of helping people with something that was desperately needed at the time, they got a useless symbol of non-existent power. And, trust me, no-one is celebrating that monument today.
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Yamoussoukro, Most Powerful City in the World!:



The capital of the Ivory Coast thought exactly the same as our Russian/South African friend above: that power needs monumental symbolism. So they built a gigantic basilica whose dome alone could fit Saint Peter's:



It didn't work. The building looked tacky, disproportionate, bland and lacked class. Lesson learned: power is not showcased with grandiose, tacky buildings OR tall buildings lacking function or vision. I think we would all have learned this from Dubai. I've lived in DC and the city exudes power. You don't need to see a supertall to feel the power. The city's brimming with power. London, Paris, Rome, Vienna and Washington all feel very powerful to me. And all have skylines much smaller than their clout would suggest.
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Yeah, D.C. Has no globally-known buildings, at all, not a single one, no sir.
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Old December 12th, 2014, 08:58 PM   #37
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I'm pretty sure you're all being goofed on. His examples are Stalinist and Nazi architecture. Anyway, I hope DC's architecture will continue to be rooted in neoclassicism. That style best reflects the US's dueling aspirations between the democratic and imperial. Too much of the current construction reflects the mundane reality, which is the suburban office park.
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The height limit drives me crazy. The DC metro has so much potential and pent up demand.
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