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Old January 12th, 2010, 12:44 PM   #1
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NCR Regional Rapid Transit System | Proposed

Regional Rapid Transit System (RRTS) is a rail based mass transit system connecting far flung areas of NCR to the central parts of NCR (Delhi, Gurgaon, Noida, Ghaziabad, Faridabad, etc.). It will have dedicated rail lines where no other train will run and it will provide fast and frequent train services. It is at advanced stage of proposal as of now.

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Eight Rail Corridors To Connect NCR Proposed Under The RRTS

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The National Capital Region (NCR) Planning Board has proposed the construction of eight rail corridors to connect Delhi and cities in the NCR with high-speed commuter trains under the Regional Rapid Transit System (RRTS).

A meeting would be held on Wednesday (December 9) to discuss the issue of cost-sharing, according to a senior Haryana government official. The cost would be shared between the Centre, governments of Delhi, Haryana, Uttar Pradesh and Rajasthan, and the Railways.

As per the proposal, the highspeed commuter trains would run at 10-minute intervals, Haryana Town and Country Planning Department director T C Gupta said on Monday.


"The corridors proposed would connect Delhi to NCR and involve four states: Delhi, Haryana, Rajasthan and UP," he said. The consultant appointed to look into viability of the project recently submitted its report, he said .

"The project would go a long way in catering to the growing transport demand in and around NCR," Gupta said. Due to the high cost involved, there is a proposal to take up the project in a phased manner, he said.

He also said the NCR Planning Board has proposed to form a separate organisation `NCR Transport Corporation' (NCRTC) to implement various comprehensive integrated multi-modal suburban commuter transportation system for the region. "NCRTC will have representatives from the Urban Development and Railways ministries, NCR Planning Board, and the governments of Delhi, Haryana, Rajasthan and UP," he said.
Indian Express. Dec 7, 2009


The cost mentioned seems to be in million rupees.
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Plan To Make NCR Travel A Joy In 25 yrs

A mention of RRTS in this article.

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To keep pace with the rapidly changing profile and size of the National Capital Region (NCR), the government has approved a new transportation plan for the region.

The integrated multi-modal transport plan seeks to build new expressways, upgrade national and state highways and build new rail lines, a regional rapid transit system, airport, new Metro systems, bus systems, bus terminals, logistic hubs and integrated freight complexes in the next 25 years.




The ambitious plan will need an investment of a whopping Rs 17 lakh crore.

The plan is based on the study commissioned by the NCR planning board two years ago. The plan was approved in a board meeting on November 11.

An official said: “ The board decided to initiate action for priority implementation of a region- wide rail- based system connecting various metropolitan and regional centres and subregional centres.” The plan proposes to build an extensive road network of 16 new regional expressways running across 1,300 km. The proposed expressways will be built in such a way that they can be extended further. For example, the proposed Delhi- Panipat Expressway can be extended to Chandigarh and the Delhi- Rewari expressway to Jaipur.

The plan proposes to set up an NCR Expressway Development Authority, besides spending Rs 26,000 crore to augment the capacities of the existing national and state highways.

The plan also suggests setting up wayside amenities at a cost of Rs 110 crore.

About 6,200 buses of different state transport services cater to intercity travel. By the next two decades, the number of buses required will jump to 37,000.
The plan hopes to augment bus fleets and set up depots at an estimated cost of Rs 25,873 crore.

Of this, 75 per cent has been proposed through the public- private- partnership model. Bus terminals will also be set up at a cost of Rs 3,539 crore.

The plan proposes to set up a rail rapid transit system along dedicated tracks with a modern communication system to enable “ safer, high- speed and high- frequency services”. This includes lines from Delhi to Panipat, Bhagpat, Meerut, Hapur, Khurja, Palwal, Rewari and Rohtak. At present, trains have to share tracks with faster trains, thus holding them up.

The plan proposes to build nine new lines, including Panipat- Meerut; Sonepat- Gohana; Sonepat- Jhajjar; Jhajjar- Gurgaon- Faridabad; and Meerut- Bhagpat- Sonepat. This will cost over Rs 14,000 crore.

An NCR rail network corporation has been proposed. New freight terminals will be developed at Khurja, Palwal, Rewari, Rohtak, Panipat and Meerut to allow faster movement of goods.


Buoyed by the success of the Metro in Delhi, the plan has proposed to build similar systems to link the other urban centres in the NCR. Eight new lines have been proposed to link areas such as Bahadurgarh- Rohtak, Kundli- Sonepat, Sonepat- Panipat, Ghaziabad- Hapur, Ghaziabad- Meerut, Manesar- Rewari, Gurgaon- Manesar, and Faridabad- Palwal. The existing lines originating from Delhi will be extended. It will cover a total length of 534 km at a cost of Rs 36,000 crore and will ferry 1.2 million passengers a day.

The plan backs the Uttar Pradesh government’s move to set up an airport in Greater Noida. The terminal is expected to cater to 40 million passengers a year.

The study says an NCR transport development fund should be created to raise resources.

Funds can be raised through the state and central annual budgets by levying user charges, generating advertising revenue, betterment levy, commercial exploitation of bus depots, terminals and market borrowings.

Though the board has approved the plan, it is yet to be seen if the respective state governments will stick to the deadline.
Source: Mail Today, Nov 16, 2009
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UP cities to be connected with Delhi through RRTS

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Major cities of Uttar Pradesh covered under the national capital region (NCR), like Ghaziabad and Noida, will be connected with Delhi through rapid transit system, the state government said today.

"To connect major cities (of UP) in NCR with Delhi, regional rapid transport system (RRTS) has been proposed in the masterplan 2021," chief secretary Atul Kumar Gupta said in a meeting here.

A survey on multi-modal transport plan was carried out by NCR board through a private agency, he said, adding that based on the survey report, eight corridors have been selected under RRTS.

"In the first phase it had been decided to develop 67.8 km long Delhi-Ghaziabad-Meerut corridor with an estimated cost of Rs 1040 crore," Gupta said.
Source: PTI. Jan 8, 2010
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New roadmap to unclog NCR

This article mention two other rail corridors. These were not mentioned in other RRTS related news. If built, they should be a part of RRTS as they are for local transport.

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A quantum jump in the volume of traffic has made major snarls on the capital's periphery a routine affair for NCR commuters. An integrated transport report prepared for the NCR Planning Board has laid the roadmap for bypassing these bottlenecks. Its prescription: 11 new expressways and two orbital railway corridors connecting major cities around Delhi.

The plan projects that five urban clusters in NCR Gurgaon-Manesar, Faridabad-Ballabgarh, Meerut, Ghaziabad and Noida-Greater Noida-Kasna would become mega cities by 2032.

According to estimates, NCR's population is expected to swell to 862 lakh by 2031 from 371 lakh in 2001. This sharp rise would lead to intra-regional transportation trips shooting up by almost 400%. In a ripple effect, intra-city trips would also increase significantly causing major congestion on roads across the region.

Transport planners are of the opinion that existing national highways connecting Delhi would be reduced to mere urban corridors due to hectic urban development along these stretches. Hence the need for more expressways and rail orbital corridors. The report has recommended construction of separate expressways connecting Delhi with Panipat, Rewari, Rohtak, Palwal, Meerut and Baghpat. It has also proposed a Ghaziabad-Hapur link. Apart from these, work is already in progress on the western peripheral expressway (Kundli-Manesar-Palwal), Taj expressway (Greater Noida-Agra) and Ganga expressway (Greater Noida-Balia). The eastern peripheral expressway (Kundli-Ghaziabad-Palwal) project is all set to take off.

Sources said the report has also recommended laying two orbital railway corridors outer and inner. The outer corridor will cover approximately 300 km and connect Panipat, Rohtak, Rewari, Palwal, Khurja, Hapur as well as Meerut. The inner corridor would link Sonipat, Sampla, Jhajjar, Gurgaon, Faridabad and Dadri. Experts are of the view that if work on these express links does not begin in the near future, hardly any land will be available for such projects.

The report prescribes a strong and effective public transport system besides widening and augmenting the existing road network to smoothen traffic flow. The transport survey was carried out recently by a consultant appointed by the board.

According to the study, Delhi will remain the most preferred zone for generating travel trips. While over 50% of the trips in NCR are work related, 18% journeys are undertaken for education. "The greater challenge is to shift the trips for these two purposes from private to public modes of transport. Until that happens, congestion on roads would be tough to handle. More than half the commuters do not own vehicles. This indicates a sizable chunk of captive passengers who need to be retained in any proposed rail system,'' said an expert associated with the study.
Times of India. Nov 7, 2009
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Old January 12th, 2010, 01:14 PM   #6
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why not just expand delhi metro to cover the ncr as well?
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Old January 12th, 2010, 02:02 PM   #7
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why not just expand delhi metro to cover the ncr as well?
Forgot that Delhi-Mumbai discussion

NCR at 33,578 sq km is way too large for a metro. Some parts are as far as 150 km from centre. Also it is the central part of NCR (i.e., Delhi, Gurgaon, Faridabad, Noida, Ghaziabad, Bahadurgarh, and Sonipat) which is densely populated and capable to support metro. RRTS is a commuter railway system like RER of Paris.

It is also somewhat similar to Mumbai suburban but the difference between the two is that Mumbai suburban focuses more on Greater Mumbai than far flung areas, while RRTS will focus more on distant areas as the central parts will be well covered by Delhi metro by 2020.
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Crossposted from NCR Surface transportation thread

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The national capital will soon be better connected with neighbouring cities as the Government is finalising dedicated rail corridors for the National Capital Region.

Termed as Regional Rapid Transit System, the three busiest routes being finalised to have dedicated corridors are Delhi-Ghaziabad-Meerut, Delhi-Gurgaon-Rewari-Alwar and Delhi-Sonepat-Panipat at an estimated cost of Rs 5,000 crore excluding the rolling stock.

“We will conduct a detailed feasibility study of these corridors on a priority basis,” a senior Urban Development Ministry official said.

The Urban Development Ministry is coordinating with the Railway Ministry and the state governments of Delhi, Haryana, Uttar Pradesh and Rajasthan to constitute the NCR Transport Corporation for implementation of the dedicated corridor project.

The Centre and the States will have equal equity of 50:50 in the project.

A MoU will be signed between the Centre and states shortly to form a separate company for the purpose.

Based on the ridership and growing demand, the three corridors are being finalised.

While Gurgaon, Noida and Ghaziabad adjoining Delhi are already being connected with a Metro service, places like Panipat, Sonepat, Alwar and Meerut will be linked to the Capital city through the proposed rail corridors.

A Task Force under the chairmanship of Urban Development Secretary, Mr M. Ramachandran, with representatives from the state governments of Delhi, Haryana, Uttar Pradesh and Rajasthan has submitted a report on the proposed rail corridors.

After the formation of a separate company for the execution of the project, a detailed project report will be prepared, he told PTI.

He said extending Metro services to Meerut, Panipat, Sonepat, Alwar and Rewari is not cost effective and feasible. “So the inter-city link service is the answer.”

About funding, Mr Ramachadran said attempts would be made to raise it from the market besides the contribution of states and the Centre.
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Forgot that Delhi-Mumbai discussion

NCR at 33,578 sq km is way too large for a metro. Some parts are as far as 150 km from centre. Also it is the central part of NCR (i.e., Delhi, Gurgaon, Faridabad, Noida, Ghaziabad, Bahadurgarh, and Sonipat) which is densely populated and capable to support metro. RRTS is a commuter railway system like RER of Paris.

It is also somewhat similar to Mumbai suburban but the difference between the two is that Mumbai suburban focuses more on Greater Mumbai than far flung areas, while RRTS will focus more on distant areas as the central parts will be well covered by Delhi metro by 2020.

yeah but the rail links your talking about at within 100km of each other.

mumbai suberban extends to kasara 95km away. With trains once every 15min. But they are going to introduce trains once every 10min. Services are also going to be in place till alibagh.

take the gaziabad-delhi and Meerut line. Its about 70km IMO. You have stops every 2km and run it at about 50km per hour. With trains every 10min. Just extend the red line from ghaziabad to meerut.

surely with a single metro entity means fewer ticket changes? and a faster more efficient system?
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In what should bring cheer to thousands of commuters travelling daily between Delhi and nearby towns like Meerut, Panipat, Rewari and Alwar, the government is considering a proposal to run faster trains to these places that are not on Delhi Metro’s map.

To ensure implementation of the ambitious project, the proposal talks of setting up a suburban rail company jointly by urban development ministry, railway ministry and governments of Delhi, Haryana, UP and Rajasthan.A senior urban development ministry official said the proposal needed to be approved by the Centre and the four state governments.

"Railways will also be consulted on the issue," he added.

Delhi Metro is unlikely to expand beyond the satellite towns of Ghaziabad, Noida and Gurgaon and many feel MRTS is not a viable option to run on long routes. Travellers from these towns are forced to take EMUs, normal trains or buses which take a long time.

Under the scheme, it has been proposed that there will be new tracks and new trains and there will be less number of stops for these trains to ensure faster travel. UD secretary M Ramachandran, who was instrumental in framing common reciprocal transport agreement for free flow of autos, taxis and buses in NCR region, is likely to speed up the initiative to facilitate smoother travel in the region.

Though the move is at an early stage, the idea is to lay new tracks and run faster trains between Delhi and towns beyond Ghaziabad, Gurgaon and Noida for which there will be no Metro trains.

The proposal is part of the NCR planning board’s suggestion of integrated rail and bus corridors to connect all cities near Delhi though preliminary studies suggest there could be three routes.

The Delhi Metro Rail Corporation is a 50-50 joint venture between Delhi government and the UD ministry. The proposed rail company is likely to have six stakeholders. In the new company, UD ministry and railways might have stake of 25% each and state governments of Delhi, Haryana, UP and Rajasthan may have a stake of 12.5% each, an official said.
Times of India. Dec 29, 2009

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yeah but the rail links your talking about at within 100km of each other.

mumbai suberban extends to kasara 95km away. With trains once every 15min. But they are going to introduce trains once every 10min. Services are also going to be in place till alibagh.

take the gaziabad-delhi and Meerut line. Its about 70km IMO. You have stops every 2km and run it at about 50km per hour. With trains every 10min. Just extend the red line from ghaziabad to meerut.

surely with a single metro entity means fewer ticket changes? and a faster more efficient system?
Delhi's case is different from Mumbai because all the suburbs are on one side of Mumbai (east of the coast), while it's on both sides for Delhi. So it is not just 100 km, it is 100+100 km. Everybody may not be coming to Delhi. Some people may wish to go from the westernmost suburb to easternmost suburb, which is more than 200 km.

Metro can't be extended to such long distances. Firstly, the population density after Ghaziabad is not enough to support metro. Secondly, if metro is extended to Meerut, then it will be about 120 km line. By that logic, this line should be extended to north western regions also like Meerut. It will be 200 km then. Travelling in a 200 km metro line from end to end will take at least 5 hours. A commuter rail will take 3 hours, which is still bearable for daily commuting. Thirdly, metro costs about 200 crore/km. Such extensions will cost tens of billions of dollars. Commuter rail can be built at less than a fifth of the cost.

Running such frequent services is not feasible on IR's tracks, so it has dedicated tracks. Ticketing issues between metro and RRTS can be taken care of by a common ticketing system. Then changing from RRTS to metro will be equivalent to changing 2 metro lines. Delhi govt is also introducing common ticketing for metro and buses, so RRTS can also join likewise.
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Delhi's case is different from Mumbai because all the suburbs are on one side of Mumbai (east of the coast), while it's on both sides for Delhi. So it is not just 100 km, it is 100+100 km. Everybody may not be coming to Delhi. Some people may wish to go from the westernmost suburb to easternmost suburb, which is more than 200 km.

Metro can't be extended to such long distances. Firstly, the population density after Ghaziabad is not enough to support metro. Secondly, if metro is extended to Meerut, then it will be about 120 km line. By that logic, this line should be extended to north western regions also like Meerut. It will be 200 km then. Travelling in a 200 km metro line from end to end will take at least 5 hours. A commuter rail will take 3 hours, which is still bearable for daily commuting. Thirdly, metro costs about 200 crore/km. Such extensions will cost tens of billions of dollars. Commuter rail can be built at less than a fifth of the cost.

Running such frequent services is not feasible on IR's tracks, so it has dedicated tracks. Ticketing issues between metro and RRTS can be taken care of by a common ticketing system. Then changing from RRTS to metro will be equivalent to changing 2 metro lines. Delhi govt is also introducing common ticketing for metro and buses, so RRTS can also join likewise.
all fair points

But i have one doubt,

the shanghai metro master plans involve construction to Wuxi about 80km away from Central avenue station in a densely populated area. How do they go about doing that?

Secondly dude 200km i agree. But look at the lines you have listed. They are well mostly 70km. Surely a metro is enough for that.

For the 158 km line i fully agree that you need a separate one.Anyways you make convincing points for the case of a new lines

also fair point on the common ticketing system.
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Good topic. Any maps on the proposed route?
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all fair points

But i have one doubt,

the shanghai metro master plans involve construction to Wuxi about 80km away from Central avenue station in a densely populated area. How do they go about doing that?

Secondly dude 200km i agree. But look at the lines you have listed. They are well mostly 70km. Surely a metro is enough for that.

For the 158 km line i fully agree that you need a separate one.Anyways you make convincing points for the case of a new lines

also fair point on the common ticketing system.
Shanghai is not building commuter rail lines like RRTS, they are just building metro lines (maybe for making records, which is a norm in China).

These lines are 70 km from centre but when you extend the metro lines in both directions, it will not be just 70 km. For example Delhi-Faridabad-Palwal and Delhi-Shahdara-Shamli lines can be avoided by extending the purple line (badarpur line) of Delhi metro northwards towards Shamli and southwards towards Palwal. But then its length would be more than 150 km. Red line itself will be extended westwards in Delhi, and if extended eastwards towards Meerut, it will be more than 100 km (about 35-40 km of which would be in Delhi). Also the population density after Ghaziabad is very low.

So, it is not possible and feasible to extend metro lines to this much extent unless you become crazy and careless like China
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Good topic. Any maps on the proposed route?
No maps as of now. I will draw a map myself. Deciding alignment won't be difficult as these lines will run parallel to IR's lines.
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Shanghai is not building commuter rail lines like RRTS, they are just building metro lines (maybe for making records, which is a norm in China).

These lines are 70 km from centre but when you extend the metro lines in both directions, it will not be just 70 km. For example Delhi-Faridabad-Palwal and Delhi-Shahdara-Shamli lines can be avoided by extending the purple line (badarpur line) of Delhi metro northwards towards Shamli and southwards towards Palwal. But then its length would be more than 150 km. Red line itself will be extended westwards in Delhi, and if extended eastwards towards Meerut, it will be more than 100 km (about 35-40 km of which would be in Delhi). Also the population density after Ghaziabad is very low.

So, it is not possible and feasible to extend metro lines to this much extent unless you become crazy and careless like China
thanks for the explanation.
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Map of RRTS

Names and colours of the corridors are mentioned in the map in clockwise fashion. 10 corridors in all, totaling more than 1000 km.


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Abhi.. Thanks for starting this thread
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Haryana Studies Project To Use MRTS To Link Gurgaon And Rewari

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A regional Mass Rapid Transport Service (MRTS) with a feeder service is likely to come up between Gurgaon and Rewari to enhance connectivity between Delhi and the upcoming manufacturing hubs in the NCR. Top Haryana officials said this is one of the three early bird projects of the Delhi-Mumbai Industrial Corridor and a feasibility study is being undertaken for this MRTS link.

The stretch will cover over 100km. "We have also submitted two other proposals one logistic park in Rewari spread over 2,500 acres and an exhibition-cum-exposition ground close to NH-8 and the upcoming KMP Expressway interchange'', said financial commissioner and principal secretary of industries, Y S Malik.

The government is acquiring land there and could mark 250-300 acres for the facility to be developed along the lines of Pragati Maidan, he said. Sources said this could come close to Pachgaon near Manesar. Haryana government has identified a site in Bandhwadi, Gurgaon, for another exhibition ground. Thelocation falls under the protected Aravali region, so only specific projects like exhibition grounds can be allowed there, officials said.
Times of India. Nov 20, 2009
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hmm whats the speed of these trains going to be like 70km per hour?

i honestly think that the ncr should be made its own state. This project is huge and with so many governments involved will only complicate things

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