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Old July 11th, 2013, 11:00 PM   #401
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Not sure if this video has already been shared here, but it tries to show us what Paris (may) have looked like during Medieval Times. I'm not sure it's showing us what it looked like just before Paris' Haussmannization--perhaps even earlier than that, maybe around the 1400 or 1500s.

I can only find it dubbed in Russian(?) but if anyone finds it in English or French, please let us know!

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Old July 12th, 2013, 01:39 PM   #402
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Old July 12th, 2013, 01:41 PM   #403
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Not sure if this video has already been shared here, but it tries to show us what Paris (may) have looked like during Medieval Times. I'm not sure it's showing us what it looked like just before Paris' Haussmannization--perhaps even earlier than that, maybe around the 1400 or 1500s.
Great find! They really did a wonderful job here. It definitely shows what Paris may have looked like from the late medieval/renaissance period. Most of the old facades you see here had already been stripped of their decoration by the time of Hausmann, leaving only the shells.
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Old September 12th, 2013, 05:56 PM   #404
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What a wonderful thread this is! The put a sense in everything I saw in Paris.

Thanks for all the work.
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Old September 12th, 2013, 08:45 PM   #405
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this is one of my favourite threads. It's good that Paris has preserved some enclaves of its ancient history, all that Haussmann did wasn't good, it seems that Paris was even more charming prior to Haussmann, but of course the overcrowding would have required some thinning out inevitably.
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Old April 9th, 2014, 10:31 PM   #406
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I can live with most of the changes Haussmann did honestly. I feel his remodelling helped Paris become more acessable in the modern era. However I can't defend his butchering of the Ile' de la cite . As others have said, the Ile' de la cite is now a empty, dead space filled with tourists.

Notre Dame also looks quite small and far less impressive now considering the massive square in front of it (this goes against the medieval mindset that a cathedral should rise out of the city).
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Old April 10th, 2014, 07:54 AM   #407
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It sucks that so much of old Paris has been destroyed but what if it hadn't? The only reason Paris wasn't bombed to shit like other European cities was because it was spared due to its beauty thanks to the 1800s urban renewal. Other historic cities in Europe like Dresden, Warsaw, etc etc etc were all wiped off the face of the Earth and now hardly any of their pre war selves other than reconstructions exist. That would have probably happened to Paris.
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Old April 11th, 2014, 03:40 PM   #408
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The main reason Dresden was bombed was because of it's beauty and cultural significance in Germany. It was known as 'Elb-Florence' being the biggest baroque town north of the alps. Paris wasn't close to any of the fronts in WWII and bombing Paris would have been just as usefull for the allies during WWII as bombing Copenhagen in a strategic sense - both being occupied by the Germans but inhabited by French and Danish civilians.

Edit: My point being; Paris would most likely not have been bombed even if Haussman hadn't ravaged the city.
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Old April 11th, 2014, 03:45 PM   #409
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^ Hitler's order was to destroy Paris in case of retreat, but the order was not followed by the on-site commander. Or is that just an urban myth?
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Old April 11th, 2014, 04:27 PM   #410
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That's true. A lot of explosives were placed on all the bridges, the monuments, etc... But finally thanks to the ultimate negociation of the Swedish ambassador, Paris was not destroyed. It's a good thing, because otherwise it would have made impossible the Franco-German reconciliation, at the basis of the European political construction.
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Hitler ordered Paris be destroyed but a German commander Dietrich von Choltitz disobeyed him as he didnt want to be remembered as the man who destroyed Paris.
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that's absolutely correct. I have read this in lots of literature and recently in a book by Alexandra Richie "Warsaw 1944 Hitler Himmler and the Warsaw Uprising". and she had extensive original sources in her bibliography.
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Old April 12th, 2014, 09:29 AM   #413
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Your discussion lacks/needs an anthem (or two) IMHO:













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Alright, loads of great resources in this thread! I'd love to see more historical documentation on the actual topic.

Btw, are you guys and gals aware there's this Wikipedia article?
Haussmann's renovation of Paris

Perhaps some of you could extend it a little (or create side-articles) with profound knowledge and real sources, you don't need to register.
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Old April 12th, 2014, 03:01 PM   #415
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I also think a role played for the save of Paris was that of art
thou a madman Hitler had a thing for art and architecture, I don't think he would have really razed the city to the ground
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Old July 17th, 2014, 11:35 PM   #416
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After all, today, Paris has biggest medieval heritage of any european city (Château de Vincennes, Palais de la Cité, Tour Jean-sans-Peur, Hôtel de Sens, Hôtel de Cluny, Hôtel de Clisson, Hôtel Hérouet, Collège des Bernardins, Église Saint-Germain-des-Prés, Église Saint-Julien-le-Pauvre, Prieuré Saint-Martin-des-Champs, Sainte-Chapelle du Palais, Basilique Saint-Denis, Cathédrale Notre-Dame de Paris, Sainte-Chapelle de Vincennes, Église Saint-Séverin, Tour Saint-Jacques, Église Saint-Merri, Église Saint-Nicolas-des-Champs, Église Saint-Gervais-Saint-Protais, Église Saint-Étienne-du-Mont, Église Saint-Eustache, Église Saint-Germain de Charonne, Église Saint-Médard, Église Saint-Germain-l'Auxerrois, Église Saint-Laurent, hundred of buildings in Latin Quarter and Marrais have medieval walls and more and more hidden buildings).

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After all, today, Paris has biggest medieval heritage of any european city (Château de Vincennes, Palais de la Cité, Tour Jean-sans-Peur, Hôtel de Sens, Hôtel de Cluny, Hôtel de Clisson, Hôtel Hérouet, Collège des Bernardins, Église Saint-Germain-des-Prés, Église Saint-Julien-le-Pauvre, Prieuré Saint-Martin-des-Champs, Sainte-Chapelle du Palais, Basilique Saint-Denis, Cathédrale Notre-Dame de Paris, Sainte-Chapelle de Vincennes, Église Saint-Séverin, Tour Saint-Jacques, Église Saint-Merri, Église Saint-Nicolas-des-Champs, Église Saint-Gervais-Saint-Protais, Église Saint-Étienne-du-Mont, Église Saint-Eustache, Église Saint-Germain de Charonne, Église Saint-Médard, Église Saint-Germain-l'Auxerrois, Église Saint-Laurent, hundred of buildings in Latin Quarter and Marrais have medieval walls and more and more hidden buildings).
skyscraperus you are not a big traveler right?

Have you been in Prague?

And this is only one example, but there are hundrets of cities in Europe with more medieval heritage than Paris...
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Old July 18th, 2014, 12:23 AM   #418
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Maybe he meant "capitals". There's still Rome to own any other capital in terms of ancient heritage, but after that I think Paris fares quite high, maybe second on the list. If you put all those medieval monuments together, they would take up a very large area, a small city in itself. Prague has a lot of (great) baroque architecture (as visible in the pic), which is a newer style.
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skyscraperus you are not a big traveler right?

Have you been in Prague?

And this is only one example, but there are hundrets of cities in Europe with more medieval heritage than Paris...
I have been in Prague number of times. Teel me about medieval buildings in Prague. Prague has only medieval appearance. Few medieval building and much more renaissance and baroque.

Prague is full of neo-medievalism like this.

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01. Château de Vincennes with wall, six towers and three gates, and Donjon tower 52 meters high the tallest medieval fortified structure of Europe, and Sainte-Chapelle de Vincennes.





02. Palais de la Cité with 4 medieval towers, largest medieval hall and Sainte-Chapelle du Palais.
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03. Tour Jean-sans-Peur



04. Église Saint-Germain-des-Prés



05. Église Saint-Julien-le-Pauvre



06. Prieuré Saint-Martin-des-Champs





07. Basilique Saint-Denis



08. Cathédrale Notre-Dame de Paris



09. Église Saint-Séverin



10. Tour Saint-Jacques (Église Saint-Jacques-de-la-Boucherie)



11. Église Saint-Merri



12. Église Saint-Nicolas-des-Champs



12. Église Saint-Gervais-Saint-Protais



13. Église Saint-Étienne-du-Mont



14. Église Saint-Eustache



15. Église Saint-Germain de Charonne



16. Église Saint-Médard



17. Église Saint-Germain-l'Auxerrois



18. Église Saint-Laurent



19. Tour Clovis



20. Hôtel de Sens



21. Hôtel de Cluny



22. Hôtel de Clisson



23. Collège des Bernardins



24. Couvent des Cordeliers



25. Hôtel Hérouet



and more...

Largest western medieval city left medieval traces on every corner, and many of them are still hidden front modern 17, 18, 19 century facade.
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