Nabadiganta Township (Sector V)

[Suncity]

Originally Posted by ayan92

@ arijeetb
man, why can't you be +ve about things? last cpm govt. was a good for nothing bullcrap, it has done more damage than good things for the state, & whatever good work was done, it was only by buddhadev bhattacharya, that too @ the end. the way things are going now, the way our new CM is working hard (which reminds me of anil kapoor's role in the hindi movie 'nayak'), the scenario will be completely different in another couple of years. IMO, west bengal is going to be a far better place to live in than the southern states in near future.

& come on, which bangalore & chennai are you guys talking about? you kolkata people are so dumb, you know nothing which actually goes on here down in south. its easy to launch comments sitting far away in kolkata. boss, ekhane ek baar bhalo bhabhe (yes, that means not a trip for mere 6-7 days) theke jaan, jonmodatar naam bhuila jaaben, & only then shall you know about reality. you kolkata people have no idea how aggresive, greedy & corrupt people are here down in south. don't worry, its just not your fault, you have the same impression about south just as the foreign investors, that's why they tend to invest more in south. if I start describing the rudeness of the people over here, I may not even end today!

dont u guys follow news? what, those issues & scams about raja, kanimozhi, reddy brothers not enough? there is so much much more going down here, which arent published by the media here, just due to shame!

@suncity
you are so mad at bengal media. why don't you come over here down south & follow the newspapers while comparing with the reality? you will be wild, take it for granted!

all I can say is, guys, you just need to be +ve, everything is going to be OK in bengal. come on like you have to be little patient, what damage has been done in past 34 years, it'll take time to mend things for the new govt.

Ayan92 ji, ArijeetB is actually from South. But anyway I should not be answering for him. Sorry ArijeetB. Couldn't resist it.



And I would suggest to all those people who constantly harp negative things like the Left only did damage for 34 years to stop lecturing others about being positive about Didi. Just as some folks feel it is their duty to only criticize the Left, other folks could feel that it is their duty to criticize Didi.

Plus this is Kolkata section and we will discuss what is relevant to Kolkata / Bengal only as far as possible. If you go to other sections I am sure you will find people discussing the media of their states too. And you can see discussion of the role of the media in the national perspective in the national threads.

I am not sure our southern friends would be pleased to know that some of us are calling them "aggresive, greedy & corrupt".

[ayan92]

Originally Posted by Suncity

Ayan92 ji, ArijeetB is actually from South. But anyway I should not be answering for him. Sorry ArijeetB. Couldn't resist it.



And I would suggest to all those people who constantly harp negative things like the Left only did damage for 34 years to stop lecturing others about being positive about Didi. Just as some folks feel it is their duty to only criticize the Left, other folks could feel that it is their duty to criticize Didi.

Plus this is Kolkata section and we will discuss what is relevant to Kolkata / Bengal only as far as possible. If you go to other sections I am sure you will find people discussing the media of their states too. And you can see discussion of the role of the media in the national perspective in the national threads.

I am not sure our southern friends would be pleased to know that some of us are calling them "aggresive, greedy & corrupt".

just the way you call telegraph or ABP as trinamool supporters, how does it feel if I called you a ' kottor leftist' supporter? if I feel that a good thing is actually good, & a bad thing is actually bad, I don't understand why should I be @ the receiving end?

oh you are right about that part, about how our south indian friends would feel. let them feel, what for you & me? @least I know that whatever I feel is cent percent correct.

[Suncity]

Originally Posted by ayan92

just the way you call telegraph or ABP as trinamool supporters, how does it feel if I called you a ' kottor leftist' supporter?

I usually call those newspapers anti Left Front newspapers. It is not like a big secret that I am breaking to the world.

You are free to think whatever you want about me. I don't control your thought process. Opposing some of Didi's antics doesn't make anyone kottor bampanthi. Anyone supporting Didi or opposing Buddha isn't automatically kottor daanponthi either.

Originally Posted by ayan92

if I feel that a good thing is actually good, & a bad thing is actually bad, I don't understand why should I be @ the receiving end?

Hmm. Did either ArijeetB or myself mention your name specifically anywhere first? You were the one who brought up our names. So you are getting a reply back.

[ayan92]

relax suncity, I am no anti-south. nor do I have any grudge against you or arijeetb . I do have gr8 respect for your views as you are two of the senior-most kolkata-forum members. it's just that I would love to see bengal as a good place to live in..... come on, who doesn't want that? I just want you guys over there to be +ve about things.

the truth is - both the earlier left govt. as well as our didi have committed mistakes. & let me make you aware that I am no party-supporter, I am no way into politics at all , infact I was very angry when nano & haripur nuclear project went out of bengal, thanks to didi. all I want is let there be peace and prosperity. isn't kolkata the city of joy? well let it be so! why argue any further? mistakes have been committed in the past, we have no other go than to look forward.

& this goes to all the forum members here, what's wrong with all of you? what's wrong in being optimistic about things?

[sidney_jec]

we arent paid to be optimistic (and nice as a matter of fact). send me a million dollars and I will be the nicest guy to you this point onwards

[ayan92]

Originally Posted by sidney_jec

we arent paid to be optimistic (and nice as a matter of fact). send me a million dollars and I will be the nicest guy to you this point onwards

[arijeetb]

Originally Posted by ayan92

@ arijeetb
man, why can't you be +ve about things? last cpm govt. was a good for nothing bullcrap, it has done more damage than good things for the state, & whatever good work was done, it was only by buddhadev bhattacharya, that too @ the end. the way things are going now, the way our new CM is working hard (which reminds me of anil kapoor's role in the hindi movie 'nayak'), the scenario will be completely different in another couple of years. IMO, west bengal is going to be a far better place to live in than the southern states in near future.

& come on, which bangalore & chennai are you guys talking about? you kolkata people are so dumb, you know nothing which actually goes on here down in south. its easy to launch comments sitting far away in kolkata. boss, ekhane ek baar bhalo bhabhe (yes, that means not a trip for mere 6-7 days) theke jaan, jonmodatar naam bhuila jaaben, & only then shall you know about reality. you kolkata people have no idea how aggresive, greedy & corrupt people are here down in south. don't worry, its just not your fault, you have the same impression about south just as the foreign investors, that's why they tend to invest more in south. if I start describing the rudeness of the people over here, I may not even end today!

dont u guys follow news? what, those issues & scams about raja, kanimozhi, reddy brothers not enough? there is so much much more going down here, which arent published by the media here, just due to shame!

@suncity
you are so mad at bengal media. why don't you come over here down south & follow the newspapers while comparing with the reality? you will be wild, take it for granted!

all I can say is, guys, you just need to be +ve, everything is going to be OK in bengal. come on like you have to be little patient, what damage has been done in past 34 years, it'll take time to mend things for the new govt.

Ayan, whatever I said is 110% true of the IT industry in WB compared to the southern states (AP, KA, TN) and you realize that fully well. I have lived and worked in Chennai, Bangalore and Hyderabad together for > 7 years over the last decade in different organizations and believe me I know what I am saying.

I believe you are from mysore, then you will surely know how the KA govt is taking strides in building TTMCs across the state. Currently it is a herculean task for WB even to plan out uniting 5 overburdened, loss making, unionized bus companies that run the shabbiest buses in the whole country, TTMC is pretty far on the horizon. Let us take ITIR , a term which I doubt if Partha Chatterjee currently knows what this means.

Kolkata and WB cannot presently cannot think of TTMC, ITIR etc since there are issues at a grassroot level that needs to be addressed. If the people sees real change then it is good, else it can be more frustrating than before when people begin to realize they elected the wrong person and the wrong party.

Regarding corruption, corrupt people are everywhere and we cannot pinpoint a state or a region. It is the intensity that waries i.e if we attach a $ value to each of the scams.

[CalcuttaChromosome]

@ Ayan!!

Good point!! I also felt the same while staying in Pune! Feels nice after coming back to Kolkata.....

BDW r u a trainee in Infy Mysore?

[newkolkata]

i don't know bout the southern states much as i haven't went there,i live in ncr and kolkata cant even manage the standards layed by the satellite towns of Delhi,leave alone b'lore,chennai etc.Kolkata is atleast 15 years behind rest of the metros

[arijeetb]

[QUOTE=Suncity;78803630]Ayan92 ji, ArijeetB is actually from South. But anyway I should not be answering for him. Sorry ArijeetB. Couldn't resist it.


QUOTE]

no worries, Sun Nowadays I am either a little behind on seeing the posts sooner or we are probably having many more posts / day in most of the kolkata forums.

[arijeetb]

Originally Posted by newkolkata

i don't know bout the southern states much as i haven't went there,i live in ncr and kolkata cant even manage the standards layed by the satellite towns of Delhi,leave alone b'lore,chennai etc.Kolkata is atleast 15 years behind rest of the metros

yes, kolkata will fall and unfortunately remain behind on the 'scale of progress' in comparison to atleast 6 cities / metro regions in the country. That is the whole truth..and there is nothing wrong in that, everyone aspires to be number one but not everyone can get there. If Kolkata shows consistent progress on the back of good governance, improved work culture and overall infrastructure then I am more than satisfied

[Suncity]

Originally Posted by newkolkata

i don't know bout the southern states much as i haven't went there,i live in ncr and kolkata cant even manage the standards layed by the satellite towns of Delhi,leave alone b'lore,chennai etc.Kolkata is atleast 15 years behind rest of the metros

The extensions of New Delhi and the satellite townships are all planned (though there are huge areas in Delhi which seem to have limited planning or no planning ). These planned cities and towns were built on acquired land. I am sure not every farmer or owner gave up their land willingly. Also compensation may not have been as high either.

In Kolkata, planned expansion of the city was ignored for ages. There is Kalyani and despite all the hoopla, sections of much older south Kolkata are better developed and planned. There is Salt lake and some small stretches here and there (East Calcutta Township, Baishnabghata Patuli Township, Golf Green).

Unless you build huge planned townships all around the city - like Dankuni - Rajarhat, it will be very hard to cope with the population pressure. Also infrastructure in congested areas are hard to build and deliver.

Dankuni and Rajarhat should have happened 20 years ago. But atleast Rajarhat started ten years ago with some seriousness. Dankuni is in coma as of now. By opposing these projects the progress of Kolkata has been stalled temporarily. It remains to be seen if the people who opposed these projects will now revive them and support them when they understand that tough decisions will have to be made to let Kolkata expand in a planned manner.

Otherwise Kolkata will remain like Old Delhi or Paharganj if it is not allowed to expand in a planned way. The fear of urbanization makes no sense because urbanization will happen. And we have seen what unplanned urbanization around VIP road can do.

[Suncity]

Originally Posted by ayan92

mistakes have been committed in the past, we have no other go than to look forward.

Shouldn't we set up a 108 committees (or more) to look into various mistakes of the past and then submit "reports" to the higher ups?

[ayan92]

Originally Posted by Suncity

Shouldn't we set up a 108 committees (or more) to look into various mistakes of the past and then submit "reports" to the higher ups?

I do understand you suncity, but what can we do? neither of us are into the authorities, nor do we have any reach till them..... neither is any of us having MB as one's own maasi, nor is anyone having parthobabu as one's own mama.

what is the use complaining within ourselves? when we know about the real situations in down south or in ncr, contrasting to the kolkata picture, we discuss them more n more, while some of us reveal the real facts, thus further deteorating kolkata's impression (whatever there is), & every time we read such things, somewhere there in the middle of our heart rises a deep pain, a tremendous agony, while making ourselves believe that we will never match up to the other aforesaid places.

whether its suncity or arijeetb or studdmanster or sidneyjec or samrat or sarafindian or me or anyone over here in kolkata forums, those who truly love kolkata from the deep of their hearts, will definitely agree with this little humble opinion of mine. dissappointment shall always be there whenever we come to know about anything bad going on. oh yes of course, the levels of this dissappointment & the responses can always vary, no complaints on that. but beyond that, we are helpless.

the way things are going on now, @least whatever i have been following particularly for the past one week, from the news channels or this forum, i say that patience is the biggest weapon that we have right now. we need to have certain amount of confidence in this new govt. probably by another 5-6 months, we shall be able to make out where bengal is heading for, whether the new govt. is a boon or a bane. till then any immediate conclusions drawn about the govt. or kolkata & bengal's future could be unappropriate.

[krishanu]

Originally Posted by Suncity

The extensions of New Delhi and the satellite townships are all planned (though there are huge areas in Delhi which seem to have limited planning or no planning ). These planned cities and towns were built on acquired land. I am sure not every farmer or owner gave up their land willingly. Also compensation may not have been as high either.

In Kolkata, planned expansion of the city was ignored for ages. There is Kalyani and despite all the hoopla, sections of much older south Kolkata are better developed and planned. There is Salt lake and some small stretches here and there (East Calcutta Township, Baishnabghata Patuli Township, Golf Green).

Unless you build huge planned townships all around the city - like Dankuni - Rajarhat, it will be very hard to cope with the population pressure. Also infrastructure in congested areas are hard to build and deliver.

Dankuni and Rajarhat should have happened 20 years ago. But atleast Rajarhat started ten years ago with some seriousness. Dankuni is in coma as of now. By opposing these projects the progress of Kolkata has been stalled temporarily. It remains to be seen if the people who opposed these projects will now revive them and support them when they understand that tough decisions will have to be made to let Kolkata expand in a planned manner.

Otherwise Kolkata will remain like Old Delhi or Paharganj if it is not allowed to expand in a planned way. The fear of urbanization makes no sense because urbanization will happen. And we have seen what unplanned urbanization around VIP road can do.

The projects were stopped becoz of forcible land acquisition and ill planning of a good-for-nothing govt, and rightly so. If proper compensation was paid, why will a land owner shy away? Easy to be judgmental sitting in the comfort of AC....think of the less privileged.
If the people who opposed then, follow the same path as their predecessors did, even they will be and should be opposed.

[Sumanb]

Originally Posted by krishanu

The projects were stopped becoz of forcible land acquisition and ill planning of a good-for-nothing govt, and rightly so. If proper compensation was paid, why will a land owner shy away? Easy to be judgmental sitting in the comfort of AC....think of the less privileged.
If the people who opposed then, follow the same path as their predecessors did, even they will be and should be opposed.

Please suggest what is 'proper' compensation and where is the evidence of 'forcible' land acquisition? If the farmers are so attached to their land why so many building complexes are mushrooming in Rajarhat (not New Town) on a road not wider than 25-30 ft. Which one would you prefer - planned or unplanned development? And why are we forgetting the enormous amount of job being created during the construction phase and post construction phase in maintaining and running the township? The jobs created support more people than only farming could support. So, its very easy to talk about land owner's right but the citizen of Kolkata also has the right to stay in a planned environment and if they can afford, from the comfort of AC room.

[Suncity]

Originally Posted by krishanu

The projects were stopped becoz of forcible land acquisition and ill planning of a good-for-nothing govt, and rightly so. If proper compensation was paid, why will a land owner shy away? Easy to be judgmental sitting in the comfort of AC....think of the less privileged.
If the people who opposed then, follow the same path as their predecessors did, even they will be and should be opposed.

Most of the projects were stopped because farmers were incited by Trinamool and a law and order situation was created. It is very easy to be a destructive opposition - you only have to oppose and create law and order problems. Just as Left Front was good for nothing ruling party, the Trinamool Party was a good for nothing opposition party.

Now let's see if they become good for something at least with roles reversed.

[sabya99]

Originally Posted by arijeetb

yes, kolkata will fall and unfortunately remain behind on the 'scale of progress' in comparison to atleast 6 cities / metro regions in the country. That is the whole truth..and there is nothing wrong in that, everyone aspires to be number one but not everyone can get there. If Kolkata shows consistent progress on the back of good governance, improved work culture and overall infrastructure then I am more than satisfied

Whats wrong if CCU is reduced to a small insignificant township. Nobody will come here in search of jobs. Politicians will be unemployed. Babu's will have pleanty of time to relax. Central govt. will not treat Bengal as a trouble maker. Let other parts of India grow and let there be unlimited peace in downsized Bengal!

[niljee]

Originally Posted by sabya99

Whats wrong if CCU is reduced to a small insignificant township. Nobody will come here in search of jobs. Politicians will be unemployed. Babu's will have pleanty of time to relax. Central govt. will not treat Bengal as a trouble maker. Let other parts of India grow and let there be unlimited peace in downsized Bengal!

Nothing wrong whatsoever. My only concern is that then some of the Returning Indians might start looking for KKU rather than CCU in expedia.com and travelocity.com

[sidney_jec]