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Old January 5th, 2012, 07:20 PM   #1881
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Morton Sound

Been folowing the recent posts with interest.

When I tried to find out some information the address was Oxford Street not Carliol Square.

On the record label above it says 13? Oxford Street.

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On the record label above it says 13? Oxford Street.
Well back in the days of hard shellac 78rpm discs I believe that George Morton's studio had indeed been in Oxford St., but these were before I came to Newcastle, and I cannot confirm.
These were also days of the nearby Downbeat Club and I guess both would have been demolished around 1970.
Sorry, I can't help with a date for when they moved. My first visits to those studios were in the mid 70's by which time it was certainly up long, cold stairs in Carliol Square!
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Been folowing the recent posts with interest.

When I tried to find out some information the address was Oxford Street not Carliol Square.

On the record label above it says 13? Oxford Street.

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Kellys Directory for 1968 has both G.L. Morton & Co Ltd and Mortonsound at 12 Oxford Street.
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Old January 5th, 2012, 11:50 PM   #1884
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Some very interesting information in the last few posts, adding yet more information to that already held on this forum about the general history of the Music Scene in Newcastle, in the latter half of the 20th Century.

I have added links to a number of these new posts to those already listed on the Index Thread, under "M" for Music.

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MUSIC VENUES / NIGHTCLUBS / NEWCASTLE MUSIC ON TV & RADIO etc (NB : SEE UNDER "R" FOR 'RECORD SHOPS') . . .

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Arena - Newcastle Arena, Various Plans to build it over the years ('Newcastle as it might have been')
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=339
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=340
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=342
Arena Construction Photo - 1995
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=1768
Arena - Newcastle Arena in 2011: is it 'good' enough and even 'big' enough?
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=107
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=108
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Cavendish Club
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=100
Change Is - Nightclub at 15 Bath Lane, and owned by Bob Monkhouse
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=1010
City Hall (Newcastle City Hall Concert/Music Venue)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...0&postcount=23
City Hall Musical Archive
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=1125
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...4&postcount=11
City Hall Organ
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...9&postcount=28
Club A'Gogo, Percy Street
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=315
Crosby, Lorraine - Lorraine Crosby, local singer on the MeatLoaf song 'I Would Do Anything for Love'
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=108
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Downbeat Club - The Downbeat Club (a 1960s nightclub in the former "Clergy Jubilee School" building) Carliol Square.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=424
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=425
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=426
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=427
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Impulse Studios, Wallsend
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=1875
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=1877
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Jazz (Live Jazz Music, in Newcastle)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=315
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=314
M
Mayfair Club, Low Friar Street
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=265
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=1110
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=1116
Mayfair - List of Acts appearing there in the 1970s
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=2448
Metro Radio - Presenters in 1976
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=133
Metro Radio - Presenters in 1978
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=131
Morton Sound - Recording Studio & fitters of Commercial Sound Systems in 1960s/70s (Carliol Square & Oxford Street)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=1875
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=1876
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=1877
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=1879
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=1883
Music and Record Shops in Newcastle - See a LIST of these under "R" for 'Record and Music Shops'
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...9&postcount=19
Music and Social Scene in 1980s Newcastle (By 'World Headquarters Newcastle')
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=415
Music Venues in Newcastle - Websites List
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...3&postcount=14
N
Newcastle Arena - Various Live Music & Indoor Sports Venue Plans, over the years (Newcastle as it might have been)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=339
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=340
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=342
Newcastle Arena Construction Photo - 1995
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=1768
Newcastle Arena - in 2011 is it 'good' enough and even 'big' enough?
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=107
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=108
Newcastle LIVE MUSIC - Local Bands, Festivals and Music of current times and of the Past - Discussion Thread
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1055191
Northstars (Musicians and performers of the North East) - A BOOK by Chris Phipps, John Tobler and (our own poster) Sid Smith
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=308
Q
Quay Club, Dean Street
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=1670
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=1673
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=1674
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=1676
R
Radio 270 - North East Englands Pirate Music Radio Station, from the 1960s
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...3&postcount=91
Riverside: Newcastle's Legendary Alternative Music Venue - A BOOK by Hazel Plater & Carl Taylor
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=333
Roxy, the ('The Roxy' TV Programme - ITVs answer to BBCs 'Top of the Pops', made at Tyne Tees famous 'music programmes studios' in City Road)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...5&postcount=61
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=536
S
Stage Door, The - Famous Newcastle Night Club on Stowell Street
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=1189
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=1497
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=1591
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=1685
T
Tyne Tees most famous TV Programme - The TUBE
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...3&postcount=28
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...5&postcount=43
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=338
Tyne Tees singer - Christine (Chris) Langford
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=131
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=132
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Old January 6th, 2012, 01:00 PM   #1885
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Obscure and curious question, this, but at the north end of Gosforth, between the Greystoke estate and Brunton Park on the Great North Road, there is what I always assumed (as I grew up there) was an ancient by-way with the name "Black Lane". It runs East to West and would (if it were open, which it never has been from what I recall, it's always been fenced off) connect the Great North Road with The Fairway on Brunton Park. As far as I'm aware, the back gardens of the south side houses in Fencer Hill Park don't have access to it either, it just sits there as an obscure narrow strip of land that is used for absolutely nothing and is all overgrown.

It sticks in my mind a little because all of who grew up in Brutnon Park went to either Gosforth Park or Broadway East First Schools, and the kids living down the back end of the estate (i.e. The Fairway and the little cul-de-sacs adjoining it) had to go all the way round the estate to the Polwarth Drive end to get to the main road and then walk on to school, rather than being able to cut along what would have been a very convenient short-cut through Black Lane, which was permanently fenced off (with big fences to boot - you can't climb them).

Older maps (from 1858) show that it continued on extending East to meet Fencerhill Wood.

I'm curious to find out the origin of this little-known short path and why it has been closed off for so long - and why it was never simply built over (or converted into a road) during the myriad housing developments in the immediate vicinity from the 1920s onward. Is it private land?

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Obscure and curious question, this, but at the north end of Gosforth, between the Greystoke estate and Brunton Park on the Great North Road, there is what I always assumed (as I grew up there) was an ancient by-way with the name "Black Lane". It runs East to West and would (if it were open, which it never has been from what I recall, it's always been fenced off) connect the Great North Road with The Fairway on Brunton Park. As far as I'm aware, the back gardens of the south side houses in Fencer Hill Park don't have access to it either, it just sits there as an obscure narrow strip of land that is used for absolutely nothing and is all overgrown.

It sticks in my mind a little because all of who grew up in Brutnon Park went to either Gosforth Park or Broadway East First Schools, and the kids living down the back end of the estate (i.e. The Fairway and the little cul-de-sacs adjoining it) had to go all the way round the estate to the Polwarth Drive end to get to the main road and then walk on to school, rather than being able to cut along what would have been a very convenient short-cut through Black Lane, which was permanently fenced off (with big fences to boot - you can't climb them).

Older maps (from 1858) show that it continued on extending East to meet Fencerhill Wood.

I'm curious to find out the origin of this little-known short path and why it has been closed off for so long - and why it was never simply built over (or converted into a road) during the myriad housing developments in the immediate vicinity from the 1920s onward. Is it private land?
Just been looking at it on Google Earth and it certainly is a straight route - wonder if it was a waggonway?
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Just been looking at it on Google Earth and it certainly is a straight route - wonder if it was a waggonway?
I did wonder that, but on the old maps it doesn't really connect up with any of the other waggonways in the area and nor does it go on to join any of the others either. I wonder if it was some kind of small tree plantation - the area as a whole had several large forest plantations on it prior to anything being built up there and was widely known (if the maps are to be believed) as Fencer Hill.

Elements of those plantations still survive, but on a smaller scale.

But as a route, Black Lane doesn't seem ever to have led to anywhere in particular as of the 1850s onward. It's just "there", if you know what I mean. It's surely too far from Brunton Farm and the Grange Farm to have had anything to do with either?
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I did wonder that, but on the old maps it doesn't really connect up with any of the other waggonways in the area and nor does it go on to join any of the others either. I wonder if it was some kind of small tree plantation - the area as a whole had several large forest plantations on it prior to anything being built up there and was widely known (if the maps are to be believed) as Fencer Hill.

Elements of those plantations still survive, but on a smaller scale.

But as a route, Black Lane doesn't seem ever to have led to anywhere in particular as of the 1850s onward. It's just "there", if you know what I mean. It's surely too far from Brunton Farm and the Grange Farm to have had anything to do with either?
Just been looking at the old maps on http://www.keystothepast.info/k2p/us...st+-+home+page and yes it doesn't appear to be a Waqggonway. Looking at the earliest map 1856 it appears to link the Great North Road with a minor track running North/South - that said the breadth of the lane would appear to suggest it had a higher importance?.

A little to the East of the Great North Road is Blacks Plantation so perhaps there is a link there.
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. . . at the north end of Gosforth, between the Greystoke estate and Brunton Park on the Great North Road, there is what I always assumed (as I grew up there) was an ancient by-way with the name "Black Lane".
My first thought on reading this was to wonder if that 'path' connected with the old railway running from Brunton down to the Tyne further east, and going via Wideopen and Shiremoor.
There is a very clear formation of this line remaining to the west of the A1 (and round the new Sage building) and to the east of the A1 there is evidence of its bridge over the muddy Ouseburn (near the Golf Course at the north end of Acomb Crescent).

I know that this line had several branches constructed at times to extend the reach to more and more pits and there's a possibility that you have located one of these (its alignment with the bridge I mention is perfect and the gradient is very shallow).
If not the Brunton Railway, then there was also the Fawdon waggonway which used fixed engines at Brunton.
Someone else will have to take it from there!
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Just been looking at the old maps on http://www.keystothepast.info/k2p/us...st+-+home+page and yes it doesn't appear to be a Waqggonway. Looking at the earliest map 1856 it appears to link the Great North Road with a minor track running North/South - that said the breadth of the lane would appear to suggest it had a higher importance?.

A little to the East of the Great North Road is Blacks Plantation so perhaps there is a link there.
Yes, it does have the appearance of a boulevard leading to somewhere and then...nothing. I wonder if there was some old manor house of some sort there once.

Or maybe (as the plantations were, as I understand it, commercial timber forests rather than natural woodland) it was the main route for getting timber to the Great North Road on the western side?

Doesn't really explain why it appears to have been off-limits to developers for over 100 years, though.
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I did wonder that, but on the old maps it doesn't really connect up with any of the other waggonways in the area and nor does it go on to join any of the others either. I wonder if it was some kind of small tree plantation - the area as a whole had several large forest plantations on it prior to anything being built up there and was widely known (if the maps are to be believed) as Fencer Hill.

Elements of those plantations still survive, but on a smaller scale.

But as a route, Black Lane doesn't seem ever to have led to anywhere in particular as of the 1850s onward. It's just "there", if you know what I mean. It's surely too far from Brunton Farm and the Grange Farm to have had anything to do with either?
Tyne & Wear Site Lines has it as a Waggonway @ http://www.twsitelines.info/Siteline...7!OpenDocument

However cannot see it on the map @ http://sites.google.com/site/waggonways/nz/20/nz2070
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Tyne & Wear Site Lines has it as a Waggonway @ http://www.twsitelines.info/Siteline...7!OpenDocument


Good work.

I'm still curious as to why it's shut off, though.
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Good work.

I'm still curious as to why it's shut off, though.
So is it actually blocked off or just overgrown?
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So is it actually blocked off or just overgrown?
I recall it being blocked off 20 years ago although I haven't been up that way for a while.

It was never a part of Gosforth Rugby Club's plot, and the gardens on the north side of Greystoke make a point of not encroaching on it, even though doing so would have added a fair amount of additional garden plot and presumably meant houses that could have commanded a slightly higher price for the developer.

Some of the kids whose houses were on the east side of The Fairway used to pile over the rugby ground from their own back gardens as a short cut prior to Greystoke being built but no one could seem to get into Black Lane.

I might have a look up that way over the weekend if I have a spare couple of hours.
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This was a photograph taken in February 2011 and the sign was covered by a Bodyzone sign - so whether the Morton Sound sign is still behind it?

It is hard to say as it looks more like a solid sign than the banner to the left so it might be still extant or it could well have been removed. My own experience of these things is that if it wasn't necessary to remove it then it will still be there (or it might say ORTONSOUN underneath!

As Google will refresh their streetview in due course I have been cheeky and grabbed a screen image so that people who revisit here in future years can see it without having to jump through hoops. (Assuming my Photobucket account is still live of course.)
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Alright guys. Probably not usually what you would post in here, but I was wondering if you can give me some help seeing I don't really know the area that well:

I've been chucked out/have decided to move out of the place I'm staying right now. My landlord/house mate is a lazy **** and apparently my routine of getting up at 7am and going to bed at 11pm doesn't fit in with his lifestyle.

Anyway. I'm 25, at Newcastle Uni doing a teaching post grad, so I'd be looking for something pretty short term, to fit in with me leaving uni June time.

I'd need to be reasonably close to the city centre for getting to Uni/my school placement. I'm paying £260pm just now, but I know I'll be looking to pay more than that for somewhere nearer town, especially If it was going to be a 1 bed, but obviously I'd also have to consider a flatshare again.

So, my question really... Where is the best place to be looking? Location, agencies etc.

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Quick question Mrs NP and I have a large Colombia Grafanola [wind up] Gramophone. It is marked up as 'Columbia Hall', Blackett Street, Newcastle on Tyne.

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I estimate 1900-1920. Wonder if anyone can shed any light on Colombia Hall?
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Quick question Mrs NP and I have a large Colombia Grafanola [wind up] Gramophone. It is marked up as 'Columbia Hall', Blackett Street, Newcastle on Tyne.

I estimate 1900-1920. Wonder if anyone can shed any light on Colombia Hall?

In Kelly's Directory for 1947 there is mention of Central Dance Studio's - (Columbia Ballroom) Miss Evlyn Pattison Principal) at 41 Blackett Street - seems to be linked with the Connuaght Hall also at that address?

According to Tyne & Wear SiteLines @ http://www.twsitelines.info/Siteline...2!OpenDocument - 41 Blackett Street was the site of the former Northern Academy of Fine Arts and they quote:

It was later purchased by Messrs. Davison & Sons, auctioneers. In 1946 it became the Central Dance Studios. Finally demolished circa 1963.

So perhaps Columbia Hall was one of the exhibition rooms in the former Academy?





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Half a century ago, Thomas Miles Richardson, the celebrated local artist, established an annual exhibition of pictures by British artists, first carried on under the title of the "Northumberland Institution," in Brunswick Place, Newcastle, and afterwards (in conjunction with Mr. H. P. Parker, another distinguished local painter) in the Academy of Arts, Blackett Street. The building which is shown in our view, and in which Uncle Toby's exhibition of toys was held, was designed by Mr. John Dobson, and erected by the well-known builder, Mr. Richard Grainger. Building operations commenced on September 15th, 1827, and the edifice was opened to the public on June 11th, 1828, the occasion being an exhibition of works of art, including costly models of St. Paul's, London, and St. Peter's, Rome, which were lent from the museum at Ravensworth Castle. The total number of oil paintings and water-colour drawings on view was 315 ; there were a dozen models, busts, and studies, and eleven pencil drawings; making a total of 338 objects of art. The principal exhibitors were T. M. Richardson, who sent 15 pictures; and H. P. Parker, who was represented by no less than 23. Among the other local artists who sent pictures were :—G. Balmer, Jun., J. W. Carmichael, E. Landells, G. B. Richardson, (brother of T. M. Richardson), T. M. Richardson, Jun., C. Terrot, J. R. Ryott, R. S. Scott, J. Bouet, and W. Wailes. The following non-residents were also represented:—J. M. W. Turner, A. W. Calcott, F. Danby, John Wilson Ewbank, Copley Fielding, G. Lance, J. Linnel, W. Mulready, and R. Pickersgill. The exhibition closed on the 13th of September the same year. The building was again opened on October 6th following for the "exhibition of pictures by the most celebrated ancient and deceased masters, selected from the best collections," and an exhibition of water colours was held on the 31st October, 1831. Under date September 3, 1832, we find the following in Sykes's Local Records:—"The Northern Academy of Arts in Blackett Street, Newcastle, having been disposed of in shares of twenty-five pounds each, and its title changed, the following notice of its opening was given to the public :—' The Newcastle-upon-Tyne Institution for the General Promotion of the Fine Arts.—The shareholders and the public in general are respectfully informed that the above institution for the exhibition of pictures and sculpture, &c, will open for the first season on Monday, the 3rd day of September.—By order of the committee of management, KEEXLYSIDE and WALTON, secretaries.' " The next event of any importance in connection with this building was. the Polytechnic Exhibition, held on April 6, 1840. We gather from Mr. Latimer's continuation of Sykes's Local Records that the affair was intended for the benefit of the Mechanics' Institutes of Newcastle and Gateshead, and the North of England Fine Arts Society. The exhibition, which was of the most extensive character, was entered by the Academy of Arts, Blackett Street, where a number of beautiful paintings were exhibited. The Joiners' Hall, entered from the last-named apartment, was fitted up for the exhibition of a large microscope and other optical instruments. A temporary gallery thrown across High Friar Street connected the rooms in Blackett Street with others in Grainger Street and Nelson Street. In the Victoria Room (now the Northumberland Hall) the articles displayed were so numerous and splendid as almost to defy description; but Mr. Orde's racing trophies, won by Beeswing, a marvellous collection of English manufactures in porcelain, bronze, steel, silver, and glass, a series of beautiful coats of mail, and a great variety of ornithological specimens by Mr. Hancock, may be particularly enumerated. A short staircase led from the Victoria Room to the Music Hall, which was almost entirely devoted to machinery and manufactures, and to which the continual movement of so many articles imparted great animation. This brilliant exhibition was finally closed by a soiree on Wednesday, September 2, when the receipts were found to have reached £4,458 15s. Id., leaving a clear surplus, for the benefit of the three institutions, of upwards of £1,500. On April 24, 1848, another Polytechnic Exhibition was held in the building, when the arrangements were almost precisely similar to those made for the previous exhibition in 1840. The Academy of Arts was afterwards let to an auctioneer, the late Mr. Charles Brough, who found its large space eminently suited to the display of his customers' goods. It is now occupied by Messrs. Davison and Son, auctioneers, having been acquired by purchase in 1874 by the junior member of the firm, Mr. Joseph Davison, Jun." It appears that the Academy had a frontage on Blackett Street, possibly opposite "Old" Eldon Square and had a "bridge" across High Friar Street linking it to the Music Hall and Mechanics Institute that fronts onto Nelson Street. That frontage is still there, albeit the internal building parts have again been swallowed up by the new Eldon Square Shopping Centre.
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That s fantastic - looking at the above and NH's posting from Art for Newcastle



and a reference from WilfBurnsFan

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Answering part of my own question, Connaught Hall was in the old YMCA on Blackett Street (where the Boots in ES is now)
it looks to me as if there was [at some point anyway] that they were connected and at what is now the Monument Entrance of Eldon Sq. Can't find a pic showing the exact relationship but they mist be essentially linked.

We couldn't work out if this had been a 'dance hall' instrument or a great house. Looks as if this nails it 100%. Many thanks
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City Temple

I vaguely remember going into the Salvation Army City Temple on Westgate Road as a young kid, circa 1967. (Our Headmistress was a Salvationist and she wanted to show off her school choir, even though we didn't actually have a choir).

I remember it as a deceptively big place, up lots of wide stairs, with tiered dark wood choir staging and a vaguely oval shape. Of course, it may well have been not particularly big and something in scale akin to the Methodist Church in Brunswick Place next to Fenwicks. (I don't think the balcony wrapped round though or there being a Concert organ). It certainly looks/looked oval on Google satellite view.

Anyway, I had a sniff round but haven't found any interior views of note, beyond a couple of simple shots tucked away in their website that Google Images had caught. Link here:

I gather the Sally Army moved out a few years back and serendipitously, their temporary home is the Brunswick Methodist Church!

Does anyone know what has happened since it went on sale? Also are there any older architectural interior photos around?
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