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Old April 13th, 2010, 03:33 AM   #361
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Old April 14th, 2010, 09:23 PM   #362
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Cheers Ash, here is a long sequence of pictures showing the Phase 3b future route to the Airport.

CHORLTON to MANCHESTER AIRPORT (105 images)



In October 2010, the diagram was revised as follows :-



Looking South East from St Werburgh's Road, the island interchange platform coming into being, is the last point of Phase 3a. The overbridge in the centre background is Mauldeth Road West at Hough End. In railway days, this was Chorlton South Junction, with the Fallowfield loop branching off to the left. Now the Trans-Pennine Trail long distance footpath has been moved there :-



This is an aerial photograph of the routes through Hough End (from Light Rail Review 7, LRTA/Platform 5, June 1996).
St Werburgh's Road runs from left to bottom, Mauldeth Road West from top to right, and the old Fallowfield loop from left to top :-



If and when all comes to pass, from the bridge at Mauldeth Road West it will therefore be possible to watch Metrolink proceeding in three different directions . . .

1) Back towards St Werburgh's Road overbridge and Manchester ;-



2) Forward towards Withington and East Didsbury (hopefully one day Stockport?) ;-



Or, 3) off to one side, at the start of the long meandering journey to the Airport. It will emerge here from the trees on the right, on to Mauldeth Road West, between the bus stop and the college. It is no longer suggested that there might be a stop at this location, Hough End :-



In order to access this point, it will have had to make a fairly steep climb from the Didsbury-bound trackbed, curving across Chorlton Brook as shown in the aerial shot - (bottom right to top centre in this picture) and exiting through the trees on to Mauldeth Road West :-



Continuing South West down Mauldeth Road West, it will cross on to the central reservation, unfortunately obliterating lots of trees and greenery in the process. However, this median strip was originally meant to be an emergency tramway, and they promise to plant a lot more:-



This is looking back past Nell Lane and the Southern Hotel, towards Hough End and the bridge over the Didsbury line up in the distance:-



A couple more shots continuing South West :-





Barlow Moor Road Station will be still in the central reserve of Mauldeth Road West, here on the North East side of Barlow Moor Road:-



Then we cross over into Hardy Lane - by its width you can tell that it was once meant to be a major through road, but is now a classic example of what the Americans call a "six-lane highway leading to a pasture meadow!" It comes to a sudden end at the vanishing point of this shot, which is at the entrance to Hardy Farm, nowadays comprising university buildings :-



The original GMPTE before-and-after visual shows what will happen next :-



However, following the decision to attenuate the number of stops on the Airport line, it now seems that there will not be a stop at Hardy Farm after all :-



I have always had a strange feeling about the hint of infinity in this imaginary landscape. In reality, it also has an ethereal quality to walk through at any time - from hereon it is only accessible on foot across the plain, until we finally arrive at the Mersey River. . .
Going forward into the distance as shown above, through these gates Metrolink will set out across the 'wilderness' which is actually the flood plain of the River Mersey:-



For this reason it will be partly on a low viaduct or slightly above ground on 'stilts', passing by the silver bush in the distance . . .



. . . and crossing from left to right in this shot. If the Mersey ever did burst its banks, I guess the low viaduct would then become a causeway over the water . . .?



. . . and finally it arrives at Jackson's Bridge over the River Mersey itself. The public house is called Jackson's Boat :-



The new bridge for Metrolink will be East of Jackson's Bridge, just before the first bend in the river :-



This is from Jackson's Bridge, looking directly West-South-West down Rifle Road. Metrolink will pass by 'Jackson's Boat' on the other side, in the same direction out of shot on the left :-



Part of the adjacent golf course has been re-jigged to allow Metrolink to run parallel to Rifle Road on the left here :-



The GMPTE 'before and after' visual looks back down the leafy lane at the stop for Sale Water Park :-





At the end of Rifle Road is Junction 6 of the M60. An electricity pylon had to be moved here (causing some controversy), so that the tram can turn left as shown above, and then run parallel to the motorway, veering away to the left of the dark trees in the centre of this shot :-



Looking back towards Rifle Road (by the same dark trees in the distance), from Fairy Lane above the M60. Metrolink in this direction will be in the verge on the right, between the motorway and the pylons :-



From the same point (Fairy Lane) looking forwards again, towards Junction 5. (Overlooking the scene on the far left horizon, can just be seen the Pennine summit called Shuttlingslow - once described as "cone-shaped, with the top sliced off at an angle", by Alan Garner in 'The Weirdstone of Brisingamen', a tale of the Wizard of Alderley Edge. This book has never beenout of print, and on 10.10.10. celebrated the 50th anniversary of its publication) :-



About half way between Fairy Lane and Junction 5, the Metrolink route (on the left in the above shot), will suddenly turn right, away from the fenced-off playing fields, and over a new bridge to be created high across the motorway, then to descend on the opposite side, at Ossington Walk.
Here is an old snap of the flyover point, taken from the playing fields in about 2006, and showing an old block of flats on the other side called Ossington Court, which has now been demolished to allow the Metrolink line to 'land again' at that point :-



After flying over the M60, Metrolink will come down to earth at this point, looking back North, where the dilapidated tower block used to stand in its way. Here are a couple of old photos of the flats from about 2006. You can just make out the playing field fencing on the other side of the motorway :-





Ah! the 60's, with their heady days of the Beatles, Associated-Rediffusion and Ronan Point :-



Now the flats are gone, there is room for the viaduct to descend here :-



The route then continues South through these bushes, beside what is currently a walkway or 'ginnel' called Ossington Walk:-



Continuing South-West, across the road from here will be Northern Moor station :-



Then there commences a narrow piece of 'no-mans-land', way out of kilter with its surroundings, which has now been lying unused and unoccupied for some years, and has developed a very strange feel to it. In years gone by, when the area was first built up, it was originally left blank for a road scheme which never materialised. Serendipity therefore later presented it to the Metrolink planners, as an ideal opportunity for 'threading the line through' between the Mersey Valley and the Wythenshawe area :-



When the first of Alistair Darling's ditherings ended in December 2002, there was great delight and much consequent developer speculation, :-




With the result that a ribbon of new property sprang up on either side of the corridor, as in the GMPTE before and after visual :-





Looking back North-East from the corridor towards the location of Northern Moor station and Ossington Walk beyond:-



In places it is still overgrown with bushes, on the left here continuing South-West by Kerscott Road:-



Could it be an entrance to Narnia . . .?



In the middle of this undergrowth there is another road crossing of Hawkridge Drive:-



This strange alignment waiting for so long for something to happen, reminds me of one of my favourite Buzzcocks tracks, "Nostalgia for an Age Yet to Come" ! Looking North-East again, the best place to get a long view of it, is from the new extension to Kerscott Road, where it will cross the line at grade to meet up with Garthorp Road. In this shot, the overgrown crossing of Hawkridge Drive is behind the far bushes in the centre background, which also conceal another foot crossing of the alignment :-



The route then curves round sharply Eastwards, to arrive at the back of these two buildings :-



Watcher tells us that all the advance works on the Airport line have to be completed by September 2010. One of them has been the re-siting of the Norbrook Youth club, an example of how the coming of Metrolink can benefit the community in more ways than one. In February 2010, they were presented with a brand new building, next door to the old Nissen hut which they have had to make do with for years, and which will now be demolished to make way for Metrolink :-

Update Summer 2010 spot the difference! :-





For many years I scratched my head as to the exact proposed alignment in this area, but recently released drawings show us the actual convolutions around this slightly awkward corner :-



Following Baguley Brook, certain properties on the Airport alignment, including the Nissen hut of the old youth club, have been blighted for a long time, but hopefully not too much longer! :-



This is Bordley Walk, and the rooves in the background are on Garthorp Road :-



Beyond this lies Wythenshawe Park Station, on the car park of the Gardeners' Arms. This photo and the GMPTE visualisation look back North towards Baguley Brook : -






Time to pop next door for a drink . . .



Well, Spring has sprung and the old Nissen hut survived just long enough to see it :-



After crossing Baguley Brook towards the camera, Wythenshawe Park Station will be on the car park of the Gardeners Arms, Wythenshawe Road :-



Crossing over Wythenshawe Road, the route then continues South along Moor Road :-



The GMPTE 'before and after' visuals gives the best impression of the alignment down Moor Road - in the tarmac with the traffic for the Northern half, then moving over to a station on a trambaan, created by a bit of demolition/relocation on the West side, (a little square building near top centre, beyond the sports field - can you "spot the difference" this time? !!) :-




Looking back North from Altrincham Road, Moor Road station will be through these bushes :-



Altricham Road is on a route designated for exceptionally high loads, and the tram alignment will need to take a convoluted route around these major junctions :-



Looking South again, it looks like Royal Oak Post Office will be in the way :-



The road then rises to cross the Altrincham-Stockport railway. On the original map, Baguley Metrolink station was shown as being on the North side of the railway, in the handy green space to the left of the road here :-



It is absolutely vital that an interchange with the railway is provided here, providing connections to and from four directions: Chorlton, Stockport, Wythenshawe and Altrincham, as well as serving the adjacent housing. :-



On another thread, LINK ROAD has described the important part to be played by inner suburban interchange hubs, at strategic locations such as Ashburys, White City, Central Park, Salford Crescent, etc., and there is also a local campaign for this particular interchange to be provided, and for Baguley to have a Railway Station once again :-



The new drawings now show Baguley Metrolink station in this area to the South of the railway line. Continuing Southwards, the route starts to enter the characteristic 'new town' environment of Wythenshawe proper :-



Further South, more office/industrial buildings become apparent on the Western side (looking back North in this view):-



Originally planned and promoted as "Wythenshawe Garden City", the new town was built with enormously wide green verges more or less throughout, which nowadays present ready-made corridors for an off-road tramway :-



Unfortunately more greenery will have to go, as we continue Southwards, but as elsewhere, they intend to plant more than they remove :-



Roundthorn staton was originally planned as a delta junction, with an island platform for interchange, as in these GMPTE visuals looking North. (There was also a suggestion that there might have been self-contained 'Wythenshawe Circulars', which I guess would have needed more platforms) :-




This is looking South at present (taken from where the tram is shown above). The ambulance is heading towards Wythenshawe Hospital, along what would have been the South-facing arm of the Metrolink delta. The Western loop of the Wythenshawe circle, of course, is currently unfunded, (Phase 5?!) which is a pity, as it would have provided the hospital with its own station, and lots of local connections for those without cars :-



The current Phase 3b route, however, turns Eastwards: there are many miles of wide verges in Wythenshawe. Martinscroft station was originally intended to be by the church on the hill :-



Continuing along the verge, the route now approaches the M56 Motorway, the parallel roadway rising slightly to cross it. (Update Summer 2010)There will no longer be a stop named Martinscroft, and Haveley tram stop will be re-located here, on the verge between Hollyhedge Road and Heybrook Road, this rationalisation perhaps making sense in improving journey times :-



One day, one banana may cross another? :-



Looking back over the M56, it seems from the original GMPTE visuals, that passengers waiting for a tram at Haveley station, would have foound themselves on a platform high above the motorway itself! However, now there will be no stop here, the most recent suggestion is that the tracks could now be in the road with other traffic on the existing bridge. (Pity, as I was looking forward to hanging about up there!) :-






Looking back West above the M56, Hollyhedge Road is one of the few avenues in Wythenshawe that doesn't have wide verges :-



For this reason, tram tracks will have to share the tarmac with road traffic, as far as the shopping parade at Benchill. Along with short sections of Moor Road and Hardy Lane, these are the only places on the entire Airport route, where trams will share roadspace with other vehicles :-



Also for this reason, Benchill station itself will be round the corner on Brownley Road, the route having turned right towards the camera, where the people are walking :-



The GMPTE 'before and after' visuals look South from the opposite direction, and show that the roundabout will disappear :-




Some demolition has already taken place a few years ago, here on the right looking South, and a couple of properties ahead have also been blighted :-



Otherwise, Brownley Road has a typically wide verge, and will also accommodate Crossacres station at the other end, here looking back North :-



As the route turns right again, West on to the Southern verge of Poundswick Road ahead, someone is watching . . . :-



Continuing along Poundswick Road, the Bus Station at Rowlandsway, and Wythenshawe Market are passed on the left, before the route will turn South again, left into Ainley Road up ahead where the cars are :-



In Wythenshawe Centre, trams will share the Forum area with pedestrians, and the bus station may also be moved to this area :-



The original GMPTE visuals give a 'before and after' impression of the station. Both Ainley Road and Fleming Road are 'stub ends' at present, with no through traffic. It looks like both these will become 'tram only'. I think the open pedestrian space between them, where the tram station will be, was previously called Leningrad Square (some may say with a degree of verisimilitude . . . ) :-




From the Forum, the route will continue Southwards via pedestrianised Fleming Road. :-



Leaving the town behind again, the meandering way turns left and re-emerges on to the wide verges of Wythenshawe, for the final leg of the journey . . . :-



Departing from Wythenshawe Forum and town centre, the remainder of the journey to the Airport is nearly all on the wide verges of the New Town development :-



The GMPTE 'before and after' visual shows that the roundabout at Robinswood Road, like the one at Benchill, will disappear, and this will be a 'staggered stop' on the South side of Simonsway, either side of the junction of Brownley Road/Ruddpark Road :-





Looking back West at present, from Robinswood roundabout towards the Forum:-



And forward towards the East - the loss of greenery will be a real 'downer' for Metrolink in PR terms, but they do reassure us it will be replaced, and then some more, and more besides . . .:-



The route continues along the verge and approaches the site of Peel Hall tram stop :-



This is the precise location of the stop, looking back West again :-



From the right hand verge, the route then turns right into Shadowmoss Road, away from the camera, and over on to the far left hand verge in front of the industrial buildings:-



. . . and will continue down the Eastern verge of Shadowmoss Road :-



Some industrial buildings were relocated further back in about 2003, in order to clear the full length of the verge. Shadowmoss tram stop will be where it disappears behind the trees, just below centre right in this shot, where we begin to experience the 'ambience' of our final destination :-



This is the view looking East from the site of Shadowmoss tram stop, which is currently a bus stop, :-



. . . and looking West from the same point towards Woodhouse Park, where the tracks will turn right and go forward away from the camera, between the houses and the North side of Ringway Road, which runs parallel out of shot on the left :-



Still going forward, one or two more properties were demolished here, at the Southern corner of Carsdale Road :-



The route then encounters a one-ended private service road called Aviator Way, connected to the new business park :-



From the Council houses at Shadowmoss, to get there at present you would have to climb over the barbed wire fence, but once the tracks are there, it will presumably be possible to go marauding through to the posh business people :-



Looking back East from the other end, Aviator Way could almost be an Airport runway in itself :-



The GMPTE visual of 2003 showed the Metrolink stop on this green, between Aviator Way and Ringway Road West. But I wonder how great a passenger footfall it would have here, if like Pomona and Central Park, it only serves the associated private development?



However, GMPTE's earlier geographical maps of the Airport route always showed the line as taking a much more pronounced turn towards the North-West at this point. On those maps it proceeded away from the camera, (looking from Aviator Way in this shot), and across the spare land towards the council estate in the distance:-



Woodhouse Park stop was then shown as just South of Lincombe Road, near the junction of Dentdale Walk/Bretton Walk. This is looking back South East from that point, along the line of route shown by the maps, i.e. towards Aviator Way in the opposite direction to the previous shot :-



More passengers would probably have been attracted from the numerous houses and estate communities in this area, which otherwise have poor transport links beyond the Wythenshawe area. It lies within the City of Manchester, but the 43 bus to town from here is timed at 56 minutes :-



Moreover, Woodhouse Road itself, here looking South towards the Airport, has been closed to vehicles for some years, presenting a somewhat derelict appearance, which would have been vastly improved by the presence of a Metrolink station here :-



However, the latest drawings, October 2010, show that this area of land is no longer to be acquired, and there will be no stop at Woodhouse Park at present :-



The route will then cross Ringway Road West beyond the roundabout in this shot, which will disappear :-



It will then join the railway to run beside it, on the Northern (left hand) side :-



There are now 3 platforms at the Airport Station, and Metrolink will make a fourth :-



At the moment, however, the future Metrolink terminus is currently overgrown with bushes, in the middle of all this modernity :-





But will it always be the terminus? Beyond the end of the platform, the first 75-yard section of a 225-yard tunnel under the Airport, was built and sealed in June 2005. This would have been the other end of the unfunded 'Western Loop' from Roundthorn via Wythenshawe Hospital and Newall Green :-



So, if all the dreams somehow eventually come true, behind that pink wall will lie the start of a potentially stupendous journey. . . Blow your whistle, Local Lad, and wave your wand, it's all aboard for Rochdale Smith Street, via Davenport Green, Baguley Interchange, Albert Square, Central Park Interchange and Westwood Ho the wagons!!

Western Loop via Wythenshawe Hospital : continues page 35 #691.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...st59782751#691
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Old April 15th, 2010, 01:25 PM   #363
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Cheers Ash, here is an item on:

HOUGH END

(In the lower of these two aerial photographs) :-



If and when all comes to pass, from this point it will eventually be possible to watch Metrolink proceeding in three different directions . . .

1) Back towards St Werburgh's Road and Manchester ;-



2) Forward towards Withington and East Didsbury (hopefully one day Stockport?);-



Or, 3) off to one side, at the start of the long meandering journey to the Airport. It will emerge here from the trees on the right, on to Mauldeth Road West, between the bus stop and the college - (there may also be a station at this location) :-



In order to access this point, it will have had to make a fairly steep climb from the Didsbury-bound trackbed, curving across Chorlton Brook as shown in the aerial shot - (bottom right to top left in this picture) and exiting through the trees on to Mauldeth Road West :-



Continuing South West down M Rd W, it will cross on to the central reservation, unfortunately obliterating lots of trees and greenery in the process. However, this median strip was originally meant to be an emergency tramway, and they promise to plant a lot more:-



This is looking back from Nell Lane towards Hough End up in the distance:-



A couple more shots continuing SW past Nell Lane and the Southern Hotel :-





Barlow Moor Road Station will be still in the central reserve of M Rd W, here on the North East side of BMR:-



Then we cross over into Hardy Lane, by no means as picturesque - but never mind the photogeny, feel the width! It was once meant to be a major through road, but is now a classic example of what the Americans call a "six-lane highway leading to a cow pasture!" It comes to a sudden end at the vanishing point of this shot, as the entrance to Hardy Farm, which nowadays comprises university buildings :-



The original GMPTE visual shows what will happen next :-



I have always felt that the hint of infinity in this imaginary landscape looks positively Martian - redolent of my childhood impressions of sci-fi radio programmes!

However, from hereon it is only accessible on foot across the plain, until we finally arrive at the Mersey River. . .
Good picture that, especially the bus which is a West Midlands one by the look of it. They forgot to put the glass pieces all over the road though from where the scrotes smash the bus windows half way along Hardy Lane which means the buses get taken off in a whim. God help the tram drivers and also along Hollyhedge Road when it eventually reaches there..lol
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Great Pictures once again by JohnnydeR!

Was there any outcry during the consultation stage about the loss of trees to the central reserve of Mauldeth Road?
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Old April 15th, 2010, 03:53 PM   #365
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Eastwards Child. Eastwards!!

Taken a few weeks ago.

Along Manchester Road, Droylsden

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Somewhere under the rainbow, bananas will fly!! Love 'em. Guess the last one is at New Islington . . .
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Was there any outcry during the consultation stage about the loss of trees to the central reserve of Mauldeth Road?
There is no mention of it in professor Tyson's report of the Public Inquiry into the Airport Exrension (Light Rail review #7, Platform 5 1996). The main objector was GM Buses, fearful of the competition. (Ironically, they will be nearly 20 years gone by the time it comes into being, and I believe they were sold off to pay for the Eccles line in any event!).

I think the lack of any similar objections at virtually all the various announcements about stages of Metro developments, is that people don't believe it is actually going to happen until they see it. With some justification!! That may be why protests have only now appeared pinned to the trees at West Didsbury, a lot of sympathy with them, but at least more trees will be planted.

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[QUOTE=heatonparkincakes;55284801]Taken a few weeks ago.

Along Manchester Road, Droylsden
Hope you don't mind, I have copied these also to the 3a 'Construction' thread. Cheers from Johnny.
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Oldham & Rochdale Line - Phase 3B - Westwood Station

Oldham & Rochdale Line - Phase 3B - Westwood Station

Immediately below is a link to an OS Map showing it's proposed location in its centre. Below that is the 1st of 3 plans outline approved by OMBC.

http://www.multimap.com/s/gC2CcwpI




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Oldham & Rochdale Line - Phase 3B - Westwood Station

Oldham & Rochdale Line - Phase 3B - Westwood Station

Plan 2 of 3

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Oldham & Rochdale Line - Phase 3B - Westwood Station

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Plan 3 of 3

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Looking at the OS Map - it's quite a loop from the departure point west of Werneth to Manchester St Roundabout!
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Here's an interesting article from 'The Chairman's Blog' (the fantastic John Oates) on the MCRUA website:

http://www.mcrua.org.uk/chairmansblo...eyside-a-case/

the .pdf file is rather large (at 10MB). Most interesting is the proposal for a Marple - Haydock (via Leigh Busway) tram-train route, amongst other proposals.
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Putting a diesel generator under the floor of 'surplus t68 and M5000' and running them from Altrincham to Chester. Not sure how feasible that is for various reasons (crash safety, diesel to a vehicle not designed for it, oh yeah and there arent any surplus)

Marple-Manchester-Haydock, using leigh guided busway, a street running section from stockport town centre bypassing Manchester heavy, 'money already in place for busway'. Dont know how that could be described as 'quick win' with engineering and funding Stockport TC stretch, conversion of Liegh busway (infact I dont think they intend to use the guided busway itself instead running a track along the entire length of the East Lancs road from Manchester to Haydock).

Then proposes extending that Huge and multibillion dollar scheme by running an extension from haydock to Newton-Le-Willows, joining the heavy rail there to Warrington then running it back to Manchester 'via Cornbrook' (I presume A new allignment Warrington to Altrincham) then about 6 radials outward from Warrington to P&R locations.

Those schemes would cost near to £10bn alltogether!
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'surplus t68 and M5000'
I stopped reading it after that.

Maybe we could let them have 2001....
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Interesting, thanks for that.

Unsure what the exact detail is on the Leigh busway part of it?
pg22 says Marple-Manchester-East Lancs-Heywood while pg24 says the route uses the proposed guided busway.
Hopefully that is an elucidation of their proposal and not just a mistake... using the leigh guided busway then on to reach the east lancs and carrying on up there.

I think if that was the case I think most people would here would be quite happy. That route could also improve the chances of Keyon being reopened. Certainly a vast improvement on the gb.

Obviously never happen though, shame.
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Looking at the OS Map - it's quite a loop from the departure point west of Werneth to Manchester St Roundabout!
I think the wide sweep will also help it to gain height by managing the contours, otherwise it would be too steep to get straight up Werneth!

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Interesting, thanks for that.

Unsure what the exact detail is on the Leigh busway part of it?
pg22 says Marple-Manchester-East Lancs-Heywood while pg24 says the route uses the proposed guided busway.
Hopefully that is an elucidation of their proposal and not just a mistake... using the leigh guided busway then on to reach the east lancs and carrying on up there.

I think if that was the case I think most people would here would be quite happy. That route could also improve the chances of Keyon being reopened. Certainly a vast improvement on the gb.

Obviously never happen though, shame.
Nah, the guided busway cant penetrate through leigh, I believe what they are talking about in this proposal is using the extra bus lane being added to the east lancs as part of the programme and laying rails on it (the non guided part of the busway).
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I think the wide sweep will also help it to gain height by managing the contours, otherwise it would be too steep to get straight up Werneth! This photo (apologies for repeating it) gives an idea of the height differential involved, and then some more :-
Thanks JohnnydeR - I am aware of the gradients in the Werneth area, so the wide sweep would take care of the gradient problem.

Here's me thinking that the Met was going deeper through these areas to penetrate dense population centres and aid regeneration.
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Nah, the guided busway cant penetrate through leigh, I believe what they are talking about in this proposal is using the extra bus lane being added to the east lancs as part of the programme and laying rails on it (the non guided part of the busway).
Oh I see what you mean, basically just carrying on the east lancs part of the guided busway route.
Well thats shit then
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