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Old February 21st, 2010, 05:19 PM   #121
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I will definitely include the ped link at Wigan, and the Ordsall Curve.

Just been looking at the Manchester Hub info and realised that my interpretation of the lines around Salford is incorrect, as services from Victoria to Eccles cant stop at Salford Central, even after the improvements. Will have to figure out a way to show this and the new curve.
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Great work XCH and a nice first attempt.
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Old February 21st, 2010, 06:12 PM   #123
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Just been looking at the Manchester Hub info and realised that my interpretation of the lines around Salford is incorrect, as services from Victoria to Eccles cant stop at Salford Central, even after the improvements. Will have to figure out a way to show this and the new curve.
Ahh the confusing Salford crossover.

you may want to use the traditional rail crossing symbology which is something like -]l[-
Most rail maps use it for example where Wigan Wallgate line crosses over the WCML to show that theirs no services connecting. Probably a few other spots on this map you could use it. Others just have a small gap either side, e.g.
http://www.northernrail.org/pdfs/net...p_jan_2010.pdf
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Thats excellant XCH.

Mark O will be flapping with joy!!!
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Old February 21st, 2010, 10:35 PM   #125
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Johnny’s Big Bang

EAST MANCHESTER LINE PART 8

The Four AAAAs – Audenshaw <> Ashton Moss <> Ashton West <> Ashton under Lyne.

Audenshaw and Ashton Moss

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http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...297&page=7#125

Audenshaw

Heading East from the 3a temporary terminus at Droylsden, this is how the street scene was envisaged in 1997. Spooky how they knew there would be yellow dots in the future, albeit on the swept path rather than the trams! But there probably won’t be grey trams, and definitely not orange & brown buses!! :-



This 1997 render of Audenshaw tram station looks back towards Droylsden – (the big Co-op Hall on Market Street is top right-of-centre), and Manchester on the far horizon. This spot involved one of the largest demolitions of residential property, including the filling station and all the white rendered semi-detached houses behind it, within the gyratory and elsewhere :-



Apart from the tramstop, I wonder what will be in the big open space thus created? There seem to be some mysterious square buildings within the trees . . .



Prior to 30.12.1966, short-working Trolleybuses used to turn round the island back to Manchester :-


c/- Eyre & Heaps, ‘The Manchester Trolleybus’, Ian Allen ISBN (10) 0 7110 3245 9

A few yards further on outside Fairfield Hall looking East, trolleys overtake each other under the wiring loop, provided here for short-working layovers. The Ashton driver seems to have forgotten to change his destination to ‘Piccadilly’, unless it was a very unusual short-working back to the East. The white-rendered houses on the left would later be demolished for Metrolink :-


c/- Howard Piltz, ‘The Heyday of the Trolleybus, Ian Allen ISBN 0 7110 2271 2

The railway bridge on the Droylsden to Denton line also disappeared in the 1970s, but behind the trolleybuses are the station buildings for Audenshaw, which although closed in 1905 are still extant and we will see them later :-


c/- C Taylor, ‘Trolleybuses in Gt Mcr’, Transport Museum Socy ISBN 0 900857 24 2

Forty years later, looking North-West from the same point in 2006, the whole gyratory area has been cleared ready and waiting. But by this time no funding was on the table for Phase 3b, Phase 3a having been separately re-instated in 2006. Prior to Darling’s earlier cancellation of the whole thing in 2004, GMPTE had already spent £200 million on advance works such as this, but it was 2010 before this area and the rest of 3b was finally ‘signed off’ for construction. I guess sometimes you have to take risks, and sometimes they pay off!! No such luck befell Mayne’s buses, however, which at the time of this photo were in their last year of plying their domestic hinterland :-



Turning right 170 degrees towards the East from that point still in 2006, another row of semis, between Windsor Drive and Manchester Road, is boarded up ready for demolition, to be replaced by a trambaan on a reservation North of the road carriageway. The white gable end is the Snipe Inn, and the trees in the foreground mark the old railway embankment at the site of the bridge abutment :-



This was the same scene in the 1950s. The overbridge of the Droylsden to Denton railway can be seen, and under the arch the same row of semis and the Snipe Inn :-



Here’s a closer view of the Snipe in 2006. The green car roof is on Gainsboro Road - an important trolleybus reversing point before the gyratory system was created - which Metrolink will cross at grade before continuing through the trees, left of the hoarding and away from the camera :-



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1966 :-



Looking back from the Snipe in 2007, the semis have gone, and on the right is a new composition wall effect – a noise barrier and decency shield for the back gardens of the remaining houses on Windsor Drive. I guess we will be seeing a lot more of this wall, but I am glad it doesn’t separate me from the trams! Eventually there will be green things growing up it, which will mitigate the blank ugliness a bit :-



Like Edge Lane stop site, this area also gained a ‘village green’ for several years. Here it is seen from Gainsboro Road in November 2008, the trees at the far end used to mark the abutment of the old railway bridge to Droylsden - nowadays it is the beginning of a linear park :-



The ‘accelerated’ 3b sections to Ashton and East Didsbury, were so designated and funded at the time of the government changeover in 2010. Construction therefore started pretty quickly, albeit about 18 months behind the 3a sections. This is the ‘village green’ in the December snows of 2010 :-





By February 2011, the first swathe had been cut through the trees behind the Snipe Inn, revealing the Travelodge in all its glory on Lord Sheldon Way, to be seen for the first time from this angle:-



On the left looking back, the garden of the Snipe Inn, bottom left, gained a more open aspect in February 2011 :-



June 2011 and the platform base has arrived at Audenshaw gyratory :-



August 2011. Progress on the Western front, as Droylsden Road is breached for the first time :-



The trees on the left still line the former railway abutment, but the ‘village green’ by the wall before the Snipe, has gone :-



Still in August, curved concrete and meandering metal :-





The area behind the Snipe was overgrown previously. In about 2005, someone came out to ask why I was trying to drive in such an inaccessible area, and I am not convinced they believed my answer!! :-



The same spot (ish) in September 2011 :-



Rooms with a View from the Snipe Inn, and at the Travelodge Hotel, Rooms with a Banana! :-





Meanwhile, back at the gyratory in 2011, September clouds gather but a brighter day is ahead :-



Twin tracks now shoulder the island platform site :-



Still in September 2011, the rails are arriving from Droylsden and the West :-



And reaching out importunately towards the island :-



October 2011, and the flat crossing is complete at Gainsboro Road, by the Snipe. Residents expressed some concern that a tram stranded here, would block what is the only entry/exit from their little estate :-



By November 2011 Audenshaw tramstop had arrived :-



March 2012, the paving machine has been at work at the Eastern end of Audenshaw :-



Rails start to impinge on the tricky road junction at the Western corner of the gyratory :-



One month later, they have nearly made it across. April 2012 :-



Further along towards the Snipe, in April 2012 I am now beginning to warm to this wall, as things are now growing up it! If it disappears into a vertical green, I will be happy – I only wish they would do the same to the one in Piccadilly Gardens! :-



The Easternmost section of street track on the East Manchester Line, 2½ miles from Clayton Hall, is finally arriving in April 2012, albeit in bits and pieces! The whole thing also seems to be well over to one side . . .



May 2012, the end of the headshunt trambaan for Droylsden terminators comes into sight at the boundary, as indicated by the red poles further ahead, together with the current limit of the overhead on the Phase 3a section :-



May 2012 and the trackwork is now in place all the way across the gyratory corner into the new station :-



I say ‘new station’ because it’s not the first in Audenshaw: the Eastbound track in the above shot points straight to the sunlit brick gable end of the old station !! :-


c/- Gordon Suggitt, ‘Lost Railways of Merseyside & Gt Mcr’, Countryside books ISBN 1 85306 869 1

Train Guard informs us: “Amazing that the station building lasted so long. It was on a line operated by the LNWR from a junction at the vanished Droylsden station to Denton. (The line outlasted the station!). The train service recorded in my 1895 Bradshaw was only six trains each way between Manchester (Victoria or Exchange) and Stockport. In contrast, Hooley Hill, the other station for Audenshaw (on the LNWR Stalybridge branch) saw ten trains each way between Stalybridge and Stockport. Hooley Hill changed its name to Audenshaw in 1924, but obviously business had declined, for it closed in 1950.”

The Audenshaw station buildings in May 2012, now fronted by tram tracks again for the first time since 1938 :-



Shelters start to appear on the platforms :-



Ashton Moss

At the turn of the Millennium, the mossy plain to the West of the town had all the bleakness implied by its name, albeit surrounded by distant views of the town under the Pennines. During the early years of planning the Metrolink line, a stop was only ‘pencilled in’ here – in common with other similarly adumbrated stops such as Buckley Wells, Hough End, Rochdale Kingsway – and the possible route of the alignment was still mainly guesswork, as indicated in this January 1996 publicity :-



When you look at the emptiness of it at the turn of the Millennium, you can see why :-



The arrival of the first part of the Ashton Northern by-pass, Lord Sheldon Way, was a stimulus to growth of the planned out-of-town leisure and business parks here:-



Without mentioning the Metrolink route, this developer’s promo nevertheless shows the wide central reservations built into the new by-pass, bespoke for a tramway. The route approaches from bottom left across the motorway, swings left through the centre of the roundabout, then curves back along the central reservation towards the site of Ashton West tramstop, top centre :-



By about 2003 commercial buildings were beginning to appear :-



For once, Metrolink had been planned before the road scheme, which was finished with a central reserve reminiscent of the old days in South Manchester and elsewhere, wide enough to take two tramlines, and in this case including some broad sweeping curves :-





This is the approach to the site of Ashton Moss stop in March 2010, where the tramway will be in the left hand reservation :-



Not much sign of construction as yet, although some cones have appeared by Col. Sanders up ahead :-



By this time it had been ‘firmed up’ and identified as an ideal Park & Ride station, serving the cross-Pennine hinterlands on the East of the conurbation, and thereby making expedient use of the vast open spaces :-



The first sod on this section of Phase 3b, moving on East from the Snipe, was cut in March 2011 :-



Further incisions were made in March 2011 in the central reservation towards the M60 flyover :-



June 2011 - Between the Snipe and Ashton Moss tramstop the alignment is on the side reservation, in a very different environment from that encountered a mile back, where it is constrained between facing rows of terraced houses :-



Looking back from this area in July 2011, the sinuous concrete curves behind the Snipe have been adorned with Tameside’s attempts at floribunda :-



The first bits of metal arrived with the falling leaves in September 2011. This is the point just East of Ashton Moss tramstop, where they slew across to the central reserve :-



From then on the rails seemed to extend themselves amazingly quickly along the wide ‘boulevard’ :-



This more distant shot of the alignment, marked out by the green fencing in October 2011, shows its photogenic possibilities, to be enhanced even more when bananas will be gliding rapidly across the whole scene:-



November 2011.The Stop Equipment Room has arrived, the kabins are on the car park, and with the lines at different levels it’s looking more like a rural railway :-



The Moss itself has a lot more buildings now (albeit of the ‘American style’ low-rise variety) than it had ten years ago :-



Onwards, Upwards and Eastwards :-



May 2012 and it’s all coming together. Rails around the corner towards the Travelodge :-


c/-Freel



There is a slight incline in the track after the garden centre :-



Platforms arrive at the tramstop :-



Apart from the Park & Ride, there are few signs of potential passenger footfall in this area, but behind the stop is a footpath to housing across the open space, and watercourses giving it a more attractive setting :-



Sunset over the Moss, looking back from the next stop encounter towards the East, which will be Ashton West :-



continues in Part 9 http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...297&page=9#177

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Old February 21st, 2010, 10:53 PM   #126
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Easier than that, if you dont mind XCH, do you wish to say which programme you used for that?
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Old February 22nd, 2010, 12:27 AM   #127
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I'm using AutoCAD to generate the lines/stops etc, then Illustrator to add background, logos and to convert to PDF & PNG.

Revised map with Manchester Hub Ordsall Curve...


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Old February 22nd, 2010, 06:42 PM   #128
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Let's hope that funding is found to improve Salford Central with platforms on the Liverpool line. Then you can tweak the map again.
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Old February 22nd, 2010, 07:06 PM   #129
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Let's hope that funding is found to improve Salford Central with platforms on the Liverpool line. Then you can tweak the map again.
Yes platforms allowing stopping services to Eccles/Liverpool to call at Salford Central would be a very cost effective improvement to rail services for the city centre.
Line speed improvements should allow trains to stop at Salford Central with no impact on capacity or journey times.
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Excellent work XCH by the way!
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Old February 22nd, 2010, 08:54 PM   #131
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IRevised map with Manchester Hub Ordsall Curve...
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Great map, but I don't see the curve from the Chat Moss Line to WCML north, which will be used by TPE electrics to Scotland from 2014.
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Old February 22nd, 2010, 09:28 PM   #132
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http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%...st%20Urban.pdf

The yellow line next to Newton-le-willows on this map.

This map might help you if theirs any curves or connections your unsure about too, as its a map of the track (not 100% geographically accurate) not a map of routes.
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Old February 22nd, 2010, 11:06 PM   #133
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That's one of the most dynamic diagrams I have ever seen XCH! The diagonals seem to carry the eye around at speed, probably something to do with not being shackled to 45 degrees.

On a future edition, would you be able to include Stockport to Rose Hill via Brinnington as discussed elsewhere, and Stockport to Airport via Gorsey Bank and Benchill?:
Sorry Johnny, I didn't really mean true 'fantasy', rather a 'future' map of either committed or planned improvements with some detail. I may set a date, say 2020.

On that basis, cheers Hulmeman for the advice on the planned change to TPE routes via Chat Moss Line - will definitely add that to the plan.

WatcherZero - thanks for the link to the track plan. Will come in handy.

If anyone knows of any other improvements planned for pre-2020 then let me know.
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I doubt the west side of the Wythenshawe Loop will be done by 2020, or the Trafford or Stockport Lines to be honest.
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I doubt the west side of the Wythenshawe Loop will be done by 2020, or the Trafford or Stockport Lines to be honest.
Well maybe not, but atleast they are on the drawing board. 2025? Who knows?!
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Old February 23rd, 2010, 03:55 AM   #136
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Chears WatcherZero. Thanks for the info - will have a dig around.

For the boundaries I started with the Metrolink ticket zones, and then the rest was based around rough distances. Zone 1 is the current City Zone. Zone 3 very roughly follows the M60 but extends further out in the south and east to make distances more consistent.
GM Heavy Rail is actually already divided into different fare zones for tram>train tickets.

Zone 1 includes Ardwick, Ashburys, Belle Vue, Burnage, (Dean Lane), Eccles, (Failsworth), Gorton, Heaton Chapel, (Hollinwood), Humphrey Park, Levenshulme, Mauldeth Road, Moston, Reddish North, Ryder Brow, Salford Central, Salford Crescent, and Trafford Park.

Zone 2 includes Ashton-under-Lyne, Bolton, Bredbury, Brinnington, Broadbottom, Castleton, Chassen Road, Cheadle Hulme, Clifton, Davenport, (Derker), East Didsbury, Farnworth, Flixton, Flowery Field, Gatley, Glazebrook, Godley, Guide Bridge, Hattersley, Hazel Grove, Heald Green, Hyde Central, Hyde North, Irlam, Kearsley, Marple, Mills Hill, Moorside, Moses Gate, Mossley, Newton for Hyde, (Oldham Mumps), (Oldham Werneth), Patricroft, Romiley, Rose Hill, (Shaw & Crompton), Stalybridge, Stockport, Swinton, Urmston, Walkden, Woodley, and Woodsmoor.

Zone 3 includes Appley Bridge, Atherton, Blackrod, Bramhall, Bromley Cross, Bryn, Daisy Hill, Dinting, Disley, Gathurst, Glossop, Greenfield, Hadfield, Hag Fold, Hall i' th' Wood, Hindley, Horwich Parkway, Manchester Airport, Middlewood, (Milnrow), (New Hey), New Mills Central, New Mills Newtown, Orrell, Pemberton, Rochdale, Smithy Bridge, Strines, Westhoughton, and Wigan Stations.
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So effectivley a Zone 0/city zone is the 4 city centre stations?, which coincidentally all have Metrolink stations (except oxford road).
Any rail ticket to the city zone has free travel within it too.
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MPs urge DfT to be ‘fairer’ over new tram schemes



A REPORT to be published later today will urge the Department for Transport to be fairer when evaluating proposals for new tram lines. A cross-party Parliamentary inquiry has concluded that light rail schemes can help to transform urban transport systems, but that the present DfT methods are tending to discriminate against urban and street-running rail.

The report from the All Party Parliamentary Light Rail Group stresses that to bring back trams to more city streets there’s a need for a clearer lead from Government, less bias against them during appraisal, and for costs to be brought under control.

Rochdale MP Paul Rowen, who chaired the inquiry, said: “Where the UK has invested in modern trams we have seen motorists switching to the tram and impressive growth in passenger numbers. However, progress has been slow and fitful – certainly when compared with our near neighbours in Europe, where entire systems are being built in the time it takes us to get through mountains of paperwork.

“We wanted to see how we could put the future of modern trams on to a sounder footing. Our report suggests that leadership and co-ordination is key.”

The report says that although there have been some improvements in the way the DfT approaches light rail proposals, it still lacks a light rail strategy or centre of expertise, and neither does it treat light rail in the same way as other modes. There is also a tendency to micro-manage from the centre. Elsewhere in Europe, schemes are generally completed more quickly and efficiently, and often benefit from devolved decisions and local funding.

It points out that trams can bring many benefits, including reducing carbon emissions, improving air quality and aiding urban regeneration, which are not being fully taken into account.

The passenger transport executive group pteg is welcoming today's report. Light rail spokesman Geoff Inskip said: “We fully support the MPs’ findings and the recommendations of the inquiry. The report presents a balanced picture of where the debate on the future of light rail in the UK has got to. It also sets out practical and helpful recommendations on the steps that government, promoters and the light rail industry should take to provide a better framework for developing tram schemes in the future. The MPs have mapped out a way forward for us – it’s now down to us, in partnership with Government and industry, to work through these recommendations.”

http://www.railnews.co.uk/news/metro...dft-to-be.html
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BRAVO XCH!!

That really is a cracking diagram - and surely the best we'll get at the present time in terms of realistic possibilities, as I fear Cheguevara might be right in his prediction that the fullest extent of Phase 3b might be a hard won concession in the current climate/immediate prospects post Election.

What's sickening is that looking at XCH's diagram, a combination of reliable suburban commuter rail and Metrolink could make a huge difference in peoples reliance on cars for getting around the great conurbations outside London. It appears that Manch is at least attempting to build the foundations of a future where people don't feel the automatic need for cars on every journey, though in reality, I think we all know that there would need to be at least four or five additional lines in GM (as discussed in all the posts above) to get GM even remotely on a par with other Euro cities of similar scale.

And as for Birmingham/Leeds etc...they are now falling so far behind that's it's difficult to see how they'll ever catch up without a vast investment/construction program.
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That's cracking, any chance of a big version XCH? Like BIG big? I'd love to print this out at A1/A0 on my work's plotter to decorate a wall at home.
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