Politics in General (national, international, local, statewide)

[AddictedToSpace]

What happened to the Bay Lounge being a place for off topic conversation?

[QuantumX]

Originally Posted by AddictedToSpace

What happened to the Bay Lounge being a place for off topic conversation?

I would say it got a bit too heated and was closed for that reason. I've seen it happen with other threads.

[FIDEL CASTRO]

When I opened the thread, I wanted it to be a place where we (locals) could talk about sports. arts, jokes, and miscellanea in our city. But it seems that you prefer o talk about politics and stuff.

Now we don't have a cool place (our piazza, or main square). It was our coffee shop, but some of you ruined it.

way to go..

[AddictedToSpace]

Wow it has been deleted and all. How GOPish.

[QuantumX]

Originally Posted by AddictedToSpace

Wow it has been deleted and all. How GOPish.

Yes, so now you can't even read the comments that were made, let alone add new ones! Roark's comment about why he thought Obama was important for the future of the country was classic.

[Hia-leah JDM]

Anyway I'll just post more irrelevant pictures of the Obama rally in his Miami stump.

Someone had a free show.
image hosted on flickr


The stampede to the parking lots.
image hosted on flickr


People still leaving.
image hosted on flickr

[Endeavor305]

I wonder if anyone hung banners off their balconies.

[305Lover]

I didn't see any while I was there, at least on Marina.

[kevinkagy]

Could you imagine if this is what Downtown looked like every night lol? Maybe not this packed, but along those lines...

[FIDEL CASTRO]

I agree, but without the political movement.

I heard that more people are leaving the suburbs to live near the city because is more cheaper. I heard it on the radio.

[Hia-leah JDM]

Cant wait to be part of that bandwagon.

[FIDEL CASTRO]

That would be great. Just like in the Dust Bowl era.

[Roark]

Originally Posted by QuantumX

Roark's comment about why he thought Obama was important for the future of the country was classic.

Your misinterpretation and analysis based on your own pre-conceived notions gave my quote more interest than it deserved.
I didn't really say anything more than Wikipedia says about Barrack Obama's place in history.

[spellbound]

Seems like I missed some fireworks around here.

Anyway, for all this blather about the 'socialism' boogeyman the fact remains that Obama is proposing a tax rate that already existed prior to the Bush years. It should also be noted that McCain himself OPPOSED the Bush tax cuts as irresponsible---so I guess he must have been a 'radical' at the time as well.

[Roark]

Obama certainly has a gift for speaking. Here is Obama speaking, and this is what he says, “…umm, because the Civil Rights movement became so court focused, ah, I think there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive, ah, change. Ah, and, ah, in some ways we still suffer from that.” Barrack Obama --- Click Here to hear more about what Obama means by Change in his own words
Very interesting. Redistribution of Wealth.
The following quote is from a novelist, and I believe that the last sentence of this quote portends the future of our republic when every warm body votes themselves some of that redistributed wealth.

"The America of my time line is a laboratory example of what can happen to democracies, what has eventually happened to all perfect democracies throughout all histories. A perfect democracy, a ‘warm body’ democracy in which every adult may vote and all votes count equally, has no internal feedback for self-correction. It depends solely on the wisdom and self-restraint of citizens… which is opposed by the folly and lack of self-restraint of other citizens. What is supposed to happen in a democracy is that each sovereign citizen will always vote in the public interest for the safety and welfare of all. But what does happen is that he votes his own self-interest as he sees it… which for the majority translates as ‘Bread and Circuses.’
‘Bread and Circuses’ is the cancer of democracy, the fatal disease for which there is no cure. Democracy often works beautifully at first. But once a state extends the franchise to every warm body, be he producer or parasite, that day marks the beginning of the end of the state. For when the plebs discover that they can vote themselves bread and circuses without limit and that the productive members of the body politic cannot stop them, they will do so, until the state bleeds to death, or in its weakened condition the state succumbs to an invader—the barbarians enter Rome." — Robert A. Heinlein (To Sail Beyond the Sunset)

[QuantumX]

Originally Posted by Roark

Your misinterpretation and analysis based on your own pre-conceived notions gave my quote more interest than it deserved.
I didn't really say anything more than Wikipedia says about Barrack Obama's place in history.

Roark, I paraphrased what you said in the form of a question asking what you meant because of what you seemed to be saying based on your words verbatim, and you didn't say anything. I was asking for clarification, and you just let the question hang. My "misinterpretation and analysis" was not based on any pre-conceived notions, but was based on what you said verbatim and I most certainly asked for clarification. I'm glad I finally got it, sweet man, because I certainly don't have any preconceived notions about you based on your own background or where you are from. That is just another form of prejudice that I try to guard against. And if you were quoting Wikipedia or anybody, you certainly didn't say it.

[Endeavor305]

Originally Posted by kevinkagy

Could you imagine if this is what Downtown looked like every night lol? Maybe not this packed, but along those lines...

Man that would be cool. You would have to think those condos will fill up someday and the streets will also. I plan on owning a condo with a nice view in downtown in a few years, just waiting for prices (and property taxes) to go a little lower

[AddictedToSpace]

McCain in 2000 in his own words saying that it is ok for wealthy Americans to pay more taxes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2JPbQOHEkY

McCain boasting about voting against the Bush Tax cuts, the very tax cuts he now wants to continue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUDBV6RhQho

Even Tom Brokaw, a friend of the GOP, called McCain out on these two topics. Tom even reminded McCain that even Ronald Reagan raised taxes during tough times.

As for these Socialist remarks, I find amusing how many older American are being scared into voting for McCain with these lies about Scocialism while they all are on Medicaid, Medicare and collecting Social Security Benefits. How easily they forget what those programs are all about.

[Roark]

Originally Posted by AddictedToSpace

McCain in 2000 in his own words saying that it is ok for wealthy Americans to pay more taxes.

What is your point. Wealthy people have always paid more taxes. I haven't read a single poster on this forum say they shouldn't or don't. McCain is correct.
Obama, wants to increase the burden EVEN MORE to "spread it around".

For the undecided people that are thinking about these ideas, be sure to know that McCain voted against Bush's tax cut while we were at at war and running a deficit.
He may support extending the cuts now that it looks like we may be heading into a recession.
Nothing particularly ironic or dumbheaded about the reasoning. I believe we can cut taxes AND spending during wartime. So McCain and I disagree, but that's okay.

Obama voted against the Bush tax cuts, and he wants to increase taxes on business owner's to "spread the wealth around".

Taxing the productive people in this county to incentivize the not-as-productive to vote for their money rather than work for it is disgusting.

[AddictedToSpace]

These productive people use tax loops, tax shelters and many other ways of getting away from paying taxes.

Are you saying we are not at war right now? Do you believe the war we are currently in did not partly lead to this recession? Do you believe that by staying Iraq spending 10 Billion a week we will balance the budget in four years?