Politics in General (national, international, local, statewide)

[spellbound]

I would say Obama has been pretty well-known nationally since his keynote address at the 2004 Democratic Convention, so the "3 year" thing isn't really accurate.

Either way, it's difficult to ascertain why that would be such an important factor. In truth, MANY people who went on to be president were relatively "unknown" before being thrust into the national spotlight. Clinton was an obscure southern governor..."W" was known as much for being a presiden't son and owner of the Texas Rangers as anything substantial...JFK was a junior senator with an extremely thin resume (sound familiar?)...nobody outside of Georgia had ever heard of Jimmy Carter before the presidential primaries...and even a well-known guy like Reagan was widely regarded as an extremist fringe candidate until finally being elected.

If simple longetivity in Washington politics was essential to making a good president then why was a career insider like Ford so ineffective? Why did LBJ run his presidency aground with mistake after mistake in Vietnam?

It means virtually nothing. The best presidents are generally the ones with the best support staff and the ability to reach consensus through the strength of their ideas and a strong ability to communicate them forcefully.

[QuantumX]

Originally Posted by spellbound

I would say Obama has been pretty well-known nationally since his keynote address at the 2004 Democratic Convention, so the "3 year" thing isn't really accurate.

Either way, it's difficult to ascertain why that would be such an important factor. In truth, MANY people who went on the be president were relatively "unknown" before being thrust into the national spotlight. Clinton was an obscure southern governor..."W" was known as much for being a presiden't son and owner of the Texas Rangers as anything substantial...JFK was a junior senator with an extremely thin resume (sound familiar?)...nobody outside of Georgia had ever heard of Jimmy Carter before the presidential primaries...and even a well-known guy like Reagan was widely regarded as an extremist fringe candidate until finally being elected.
If simple longetivity in Washington politics was essential to making a good president then why was a career insider like Ford so ineffective? Why did LBJ run his presidency aground with mistake after mistake in Vietnam?

It means virtually nothing. The best presidents are generally the ones with the best support staff and the ability to reach consensus through the strength of their ideas and a strong ability to communicate them forcefully.

And Ronald Reagan was a mediocre actor and president of the Screen Actors Guild before becoming governor of California. Bette Davis: "Little Ronnie Reagan we called him. Well, in all honesty, he did not make a great mark as an actor. No, he was just a nice little contract player, you know. One does sit around and say anything can happen in America. There is no question about it."

[AddictedToSpace]

...waiting for the Karl Rove talking point that fits your post. I think the appropriate one is in chapter 7 page 89. Oh wait this manual is the '04 one, oops.

[QuantumX]

Originally Posted by AddictedToSpace

...waiting for the Karl Rove talking point that fits your post. I think the appropriate one is in chapter 7 page 89. Oh wait this manual is the '04 one, oops.

I'm sure there has to be a reference to Bette Davis quotes in there somewhere. For instance, in describing my place: "What a dump!" And there is her favorite from Cabin in the Cotton: I'd love to kiss ya, but I just washed my hair."

[Endeavor305]

Originally Posted by QuantumX

And there is her favorite from Cabin in the Cotton: I'd love to kiss ya, but I just washed my hair."

That is one hell of a line. What a turn on that would be if a woman told me that.

[MiamiMike]

Originally Posted by Roark

Taxing the productive people in this county to incentivize the not-as-productive to vote for their money rather than work for it is disgusting.

We can finally agree on something.

I can honestly say though that while a little contempt for the other party is natural and maybe healthy.............the all out villification of the Republican party reveals how powerful propoganda can really be.

I am a conservative, but I have the ability to see the other party's side on some issues. I dont agree with republican viewpoints on roe v wade for example. I don't see any of this open mindedness from democrats at all. They have decided they hate George W Bush and everything else republican. Not a prudent mentality in my opinion.

It looks good for Obama, but if McCain happens to win I hope Alec Baldwin finally decides to move to Canada and it would be nice if he takes Sean Penn with him. Who do these guys honestly think they are? lol

[Endeavor305]

Originally Posted by MiamiMike

We can finally agree on something.

I can honestly say though that while a little contempt for the other party is natural and maybe healthy.............the all out villification of the Republican party reveals how powerful propoganda can really be.

I am a conservative, but I have the ability to see the other party's side on some issues. I dont agree with republican viewpoints on roe v wade for example. I don't see any of this open mindedness from democrats at all. They have decided they hate George W Bush and everything else republican. Not a prudent mentality in my opinion.

It looks good for Obama, but if McCain happens to win I hope Alec Baldwin finally decides to move to Canada and it would be nice if he takes Sean Penn with him. Who do these guys honestly think they are? lol

Dude Sean Penn has an Oscar. Didn't you know that gives him the power to bitch about anything??

[FIDEL CASTRO]

Is it true that they take their Oscars everywhere they go? That's lame.

[QuantumX]

Originally Posted by MiamiMike

I don't see any of this open mindedness from democrats at all. They have decided they hate George W Bush and everything else republican. Not a prudent mentality in my opinion.

What democrats do you speak of, Mike? As I said on the thread that got deleted, even though I'm a registered democrat, I have not always voted for a democrat. I vote for the person and whatever I think is best for the country or the situation at hand. As you do yourself, I have an abillity to see both sides of an issue which makes me a lot like my zodiac sign in truth, Libra. I don't hate George W. Bush or everything else republican because I don't hate anybody. And while I don't shy away from a liberal label, I'm more of a moderate liberal and you might be surprised at some of my personal views and opinions that you haven't yet heard.

[Endeavor305]

Originally Posted by QuantumX

What open-mindedness and what democrats do you speak of, Mike? As I said on the thread that got deleted, even though I'm a registered democrat, I have not always voted for a democrat. I vote for the person and whatever I think is best for the country or the situation at hand. As you do yourself, I have an abillity to see both sides of an issue which makes me a lot like my zodiac sign in truth, Libra. I don't hate George W. Bush or everything else republican because I don't hate anybody. And while I don't shy away from a liberal label, I'm more of a moderate liberal and you might be surprised at some of my personal views and opinions that you haven't yet heard.

Yea but do you like 'happy' people?

BTW, does anyone believe in the zodiac/astrological signs thing? Just curious, I honestly haven't figured that one out yet.

[FIDEL CASTRO]

Those are bunch of lies. IMHO.

[QuantumX]

Originally Posted by Endeavor305

Yeah, but do you like 'happy' people? BTW, does anyone believe in the zodiac/astrological signs thing? Just curious, I honestly haven't figured that one out yet.

I really don't believe in astrology because I think it creates another kind prejudice giving people preconceived ideas about another person based on their zodiac sign when those ideas may not necessarily be true. I just think I happen to be a lot like the positive attributes of my zodiac sign. And yes, I would like for all people to be happy.

[FIDEL CASTRO]

No offense but I really hate this thread.

[Endeavor305]

George Carlin on politics...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efKguI0NFek

[QuantumX]

Originally Posted by FIDEL CASTRO

No offense but I really hate this thread.

Well, that's an easy problem to solve. You simply stop contributing to it or looking in on it.

[FIDEL CASTRO]

Looks like this thread gives people the heat.

[QuantumX]

Originally Posted by FIDEL CASTRO

Looks like this thread gives people the heat.

Well, I wish some of them would get the heat to do what you just did on a certain other thread! I think some team work might be in order here!

[QuantumX]

Originally Posted by QuantumX

Well, I wish some of them would get the heat to do what you just did on a certain other thread! I think some team work might be in order here!

Seriously, I'm running into a lot of European bias without much support from the home team. I'm not sure if it's jealousy or what, but I would put it aside at the moment for Miami.

[FIDEL CASTRO]

I'm not only member of the Miami forum, I go to the Israeli, Chinse, zCzech and others and I see that they help each other a lot. That's something I never see here. I have to say the Europeans and the hispanics are the most unified people I've seen here. If some Mexican forumer opens a thread in a in't forum, you can not say bad things because you'll have dozens ofMexican forumers defending the thread. The same goes for the others. I always end up being the only Miami , sometimes American, forumer in the int' forums defending Miami's name. The only American city who help themselves are the forumers from Atlanta and Dallas, they are annoying as hell, but we surely have to learn from them.

[QuantumX]

Originally Posted by FIDEL CASTRO

I'm not only member of the Miami forum, I go to the Israeli, Chinse, zCzech and others and I see that they help each other a lot. That's something I never see here. I have to say the Europeans and the hispanics are the most unified people I've seen here. If some Mexican forumer opens a thread in a in't forum, you can not say bad things because you'll have dozens ofMexican forumers defending the thread. The same goes for the others. I always end up being the only Miami , sometimes American, forumer in the int' forums defending Miami's name. The only American city who help themselves are the forumers from Atlanta and Dallas, they are annoying as hell, but we surely have to learn from them.

I know I've been as annoying as hell on other threads defending Miami, so I've decided for the most part to stick to my own photo threads, and there is one in particular where you guys could really help a lot if you would just do what Fidel just did. Don't just leave me hanging out there by myself like some defenseless quarterback having to take the hits all the time. This is a very simple thing to do and nobody even has to know who you are.