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Old March 20th, 2013, 07:58 PM   #281
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Wonderful! Can passengers watch those too on long-haul flights, especially those from, say, NRT, HKG, LAX, ORD, and GRU? That would be like DirecTV on JetBlue flights here in the US… I suspect, though, that those might be available on select aircraft.
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Old March 21st, 2013, 12:45 PM   #282
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Honestly i have no idea
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Wow that would be awesome.
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Old April 9th, 2013, 04:09 PM   #284
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Turkish Airlines has ordered a total of 95 B737's (firm orders + options).

The order includes B737-9Max, B737-8Max and B737-800.

http://www.turkishairlines.com/tr-tr...liskileri/2013

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo....main/5733872/

Congratulations for TK and Boeing.
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With that, I truly suspect that TK will offer multiple daily flights to more destinations soon, as well as brand new destinations later on. I then wonder: which wide-bodied aircraft will TK order more over time (given that it already has a lot of A330s, A340s, and B77Ws)? Plus, will there be an introduction of better seats and IFE features once the new B737s roll out?
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Eventually TK will place a VLA order considering their agressive growth...
Perhaps the B748i / A380 for slot constraint routes, B77W for routes which don't support VLA & A330/A343 for the thinner routes...
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I would expect they will order 777-9x's long term, they already considered the 747-8I and a380 (which they seemed to have economic performence/reliabillty concerns for both) and decided to stick with 777s for heavier routes. Short term they have their compliment of aircraft with the substantial 777-300er and a330-300 orders in place even with their aggressive expansion, adding 32 widebodies is pretty substantial and can't imagine them having another major expansion until the end of this decade. Maybe they order a380s eventually, but I would be quite surprised given their lukewarm opinion of plane just months ago, the 747-8 would be even more suprising, Boeing can't seem to give away the pessenger model for one reason or another.

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Eventually TK will place a VLA order considering their agressive growth...
Perhaps the B748i / A380 for slot constraint routes, B77W for routes which don't support VLA & A330/A343 for the thinner routes...
No surprise there, but I will be truly surprised to see TK order the A380 or B748i since I sense that the airline is already very happy with its long-haul fleet, which includes:

• B777-300ERs
• A340-300s
• A330-300s
• A330-200s

Plus, those aircraft are used also on regional flights as well with large passenger loads (e.g. IST-LHR, IST-AMS, IST-DXB), so if it will order the A380 or B747-8i, I would ask myself, "to where those aircraft will go eventually?" since those have tons of seats, and I don't know if TK even operated a B747 beforehand.
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No surprise there, but I will be truly surprised to see TK order the A380 or B748i since I sense that the airline is already very happy with its long-haul fleet, which includes:

• B777-300ERs
• A340-300s
• A330-300s
• A330-200s

Plus, those aircraft are used also on regional flights as well with large passenger loads (e.g. IST-LHR, IST-AMS, IST-DXB), so if it will order the A380 or B747-8i, I would ask myself, "to where those aircraft will go eventually?" since those have tons of seats, and I don't know if TK even operated a B747 beforehand.
As far as I know they have never operated 747s in any varient, they used to operate a number of DC-10s in the day and in the 80s and 90s, a310s on long haul routes as far as wide bodies go. But they didn't get into 300+ seat market until the 777-300s quite recently. Gotta agree on the VLAs for Turkish, not every airline is going to use such planes; just because some big long haul carriers like Emirates, Lufthansa or Qantas are ordering them doesn't mean that Cathay Pacifc, JAL or Turkish for instance are going to.

Also the a340s will be leaving the fleet starting next year, which is what the additional a330s are for.

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They're quite many places that an A380 can go. I don't believe TK will order the B748i because that capacity can be filled by the 777-300ER or the 777X should they choose to order that. The upper tier of the A380 unmatched by capacity by any other aircraft available should make it a contender. But before ordering anything bigger, I feel they do need to ramp up frequencies. So far, their network has been focused on adding destinations rather than enhancing services.

Having said that, they really do have to get the new IST up and running or these planes will have no new home.
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Also the a340s will be leaving the fleet starting next year, which is what the additional a330s are for.
I understand now. But the range of an A330-200 may not be sufficient enough to cover the distance possible with an A340-300. However, the B777-300ER can cover more than an A340-300, thus I sense that adding more B77Ws makes more sense. The additional A330s will be used to operate more than just mid- to long-haul routes; those would be also used to do heavy regional and European routes (similar to how BA uses its B767s for LHR-DME and LHR-TLV routes).

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They're quite many places that an A380 can go. I don't believe TK will order the B748i because that capacity can be filled by the 777-300ER or the 777X should they choose to order that. The upper tier of the A380 unmatched by capacity by any other aircraft available should make it a contender. But before ordering anything bigger, I feel they do need to ramp up frequencies. So far, their network has been focused on adding destinations rather than enhancing services.

Having said that, they really do have to get the new IST up and running or these planes will have no new home.
Those are true. But, adding more frequencies would mean the airline will need to increase its fleet too in the process to allow more flights to operate any time of day or night. On top of that, TK is also expanding in Sabiha Gokcen for more flights regionally and to Europe, thus that might explain the fleet expansion with B738s and B737NEOs.
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No surprise there, but I will be truly surprised to see TK order the A380 or B748i since I sense that the airline is already very happy with its long-haul fleet, which includes:

• B777-300ERs
• A340-300s
• A330-300s
• A330-200s

Plus, those aircraft are used also on regional flights as well with large passenger loads (e.g. IST-LHR, IST-AMS, IST-DXB), so if it will order the A380 or B747-8i, I would ask myself, "to where those aircraft will go eventually?" since those have tons of seats, and I don't know if TK even operated a B747 beforehand.
How old are the A343s in TKs fleet? They certainly have a variety of aircraft in their fleet to meet their needs BUT again slot constraint airports will eventually come and bite them on the bum.
What was the verdict on the A380/B748i review by TK?
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I think an A380 cannot land in Istanbul.

Maybe they will start to order the big guys when the 3rd airport is finished
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I think an A380 cannot land in Istanbul.

Maybe they will start to order the big guys when the 3rd airport is finished
Perhaps the reason is not because a380 cannot land in IST, but gates itself cannot accommodate such giant. Anyway runway is long enough to serve intercontinental routes. In wikipedia it is stated that 2,750m are enough for MTOW
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I think an A380 cannot land in Istanbul.

Maybe they will start to order the big guys when the 3rd airport is finished
But you already can order now,considering the delivery of Airbus A380 will take a few years.
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The 747-8I delieveries would be ready by the time the new airport will open up. Only time will tell.
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The A380 already visited Istanbul Ataturk Airport a couple of times. Airbus did send one for a stop at the airport during one of their promotional tours and Lufthansa also did send one of their A380s 2 years ago. If the airport currently isn't able to handle the A380 on a regular basis it's all because of the lack of A380 capable gates. But that's hardly a problem, rebuilding some gates for the A380 should not be a big issue. So I don't think that this is the reason why Turkish has not placed an VLA order yet.

It has more to do with the overall lack of capacity at the airport, the problems with building a new airport that is also hit by pre construction delays. And also business/operational reasons, the size of the 777-300ER might just be perfect for their current growth ambitions. But that doesn't mean that Turkish isn't looking at VLAs, but since they have been looking for quite some time it's very possible that they will wait for a bit more until they actually place an order. They have enough 777s and A330 on order to accommodate the current and near future growth.

And like GTR66 already said, a VLA won't take as long to deliver as for example an 787 or an A350.
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How old are the A343s in TKs fleet? They certainly have a variety of aircraft in their fleet to meet their needs BUT again slot constraint airports will eventually come and bite them on the bum.
What was the verdict on the A380/B748i review by TK?
Looking at the picture dates on airliners database, I would say around twenty year old frames.

I think they should stick with a B777. The A380 is overrated in a way when you look at the impact that was caused by a 747 back in the day.
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Looking at the picture dates on airliners database, I would say around twenty year old frames.

I think they should stick with a B777. The A380 is overrated in a way when you look at the impact that was caused by a 747 back in the day.
They look pretty good for 20 year old birds... Not so sure about their interior...

I agree, the B77W is by far my favourite aircraft & certainly meets the needs of TK backed with their recent order for the variant...

The A380 probably overrated but it serves its purpose on key routes...
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But you already can order now,considering the delivery of Airbus A380 will take a few years.
I think an Airbus A380 will be finished before the new airport is completed
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