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Old January 31st, 2010, 03:20 AM   #21
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You spelled "neighbourhoods" wrong!
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Are you kidding me. Toronto is more then just Yonge street and downtown. Sure downtown is very nice(the waterfront is not), and the residential areas are very charming. Canada's top city? come on now. There are way too many ugly high rise buildings, way too much grey and concrete, and way too much eyesores to make this the top city in Canada, let alone world class, as our mayor would like the world to believe. The crime is getting worse, more pollution, more people, more garbage, old historic neighborhoods are not treated with any importance(old buildings torn down and replaced with something ugly). Toronto used to be a nice, charming, clean city back in the 60s and 70s, too some extent it still is, but mark my words, this city will be a dump in 20 years.
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Old January 31st, 2010, 03:24 AM   #22
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You spelled "neighbourhoods" wrong!
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/neighborhood
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Old January 31st, 2010, 05:15 AM   #23
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Crime rates are falling Damian and we are not 'importing poor people'. We are poaching the best of the best more like it. The reason why many recent immigrants are poor soon after arrival is because of a systemic failure to recognize foreign credentials. Unintentional or sometimes intentional racism plays a role as well.

Where is this historic area you speack of?? If anything, historic areas have gentrified over the past ten years.
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Old January 31st, 2010, 05:36 AM   #24
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These are great photos! I'll most likely be visiting Toronto in April (90% chance at this point) and I can't wait! I haven't been there since late October 2003 and at that time I wasn't quite the urban enthusiast that I am these days. So getting out to explore different neighbourhoods will be my number one priority.

Oh, and while I can't comment with any certainty on the supposedly increasing number of slums of Toronto, I will say that I'll be mighty surprised if these areas can measure up to the south side of Chicago. I frequently watch the live evening newscasts on the CBC website from Toronto and/or Vancouver and it's always striking to me the lack of news about killings & stabbings... particularly when it was almost a daily occurrence on the evening news when I lived in Chicago.
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Old January 31st, 2010, 10:14 PM   #25
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Toronto is often a massive shock to European sensibilities. The chaotic jumbled mess is disconcerting while the rudderless nature of the culture makes some people very uncomfortable. To those that live here, the unpredictability and diversity of the city is Toronto's trump card. Toronto is a sensory overload.

If you want street after street of perfect picture post card architecture and predictability, Europe is a better choice. Toronto is warts and all and still very much a work in progress. Will it ever be finished in the way that many European cities seem to be? Nope, and I hope it never does look that way.
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Old January 31st, 2010, 10:55 PM   #26
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Nice selection of photos ... You even had the courage to walk up Sherbourne
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Old February 1st, 2010, 12:30 AM   #27
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Nice selection of photos ... You even had the courage to walk up Sherbourne
Yes that Sherbourne street looked rather scary, is that where all the government housing is?
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Toronto is often a massive shock to European sensibilities. The chaotic jumbled mess is disconcerting while the rudderless nature of the culture makes some people very uncomfortable. To those that live here, the unpredictability and diversity of the city is Toronto's trump card. Toronto is a sensory overload.

If you want street after street of perfect picture post card architecture and predictability, Europe is a better choice. Toronto is warts and all and still very much a work in progress. Will it ever be finished in the way that many European cities seem to be? Nope, and I hope it never does look that way.
Agreed!! I lived in Paris immediately before moving to Toronto and though Paris is a far more beautiful city in the conventional sense, it's arguably in worse shape than Toronto (socially). Paris, like many cities, is just more thoroughly divided and so seems shinier than Toronto. Get out of the central neighbourhoods clustering around the Seine and you'll find true poverty, slums filled with refugees and/or actually poor and uneducated immigrants (who are kept out of the canadian system for better or worse), and many French-born non-whites who struggle for fair treatment and job opportunities.

In Toronto, all sections of society share the same downtown streets. That's maybe not as pretty as what you see in some other cities, but it's more democratic and far more human. There are many many things that need improving in Toronto but, Damian1, a little perspective, please.

And hellospank25, thanks for the great photos!!
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