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Old October 25th, 2010, 09:50 PM   #361
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Aleksey, did you read the russian bid book?

What is planned for infrastructure and transport in Russia?

Could you give a summary of metro, tram, railways planned for the event or no?
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Old October 25th, 2010, 09:59 PM   #362
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Old October 25th, 2010, 10:21 PM   #363
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I was quite obviously referring to 1998, I'm perfectly aware FIFA and UEFA aren't the same organisation
There is good tendency:
1990 Italy (traditional), 1994 United States (new);
1998 France (traditional), 2002 Japan & South Korea (new);
2006 Germany (traditional), 2010 South Africa (new);
2014 Brazil (traditional), 2018 ?

P.S. I think that Portugal 2004 and Austria & Switzerland 2008 also can't be determine as "traditional organizers of the major football competitions" according to European standarts.
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Old October 25th, 2010, 10:25 PM   #364
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What is planned for infrastructure and transport in Russia?

Could you give a summary of metro, tram, railways planned for the event or no?
I read the bid book quite some time ago, but i remember seeing plans for building new roads, airports, development of speed rail system and speed tram. If Russia gets the championship loads of money will be invested in infrastracture (which is outdated) - like they do now in Sochi.
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Old October 25th, 2010, 10:55 PM   #365
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Aleksey, did you read the russian bid book?

What is planned for infrastructure and transport in Russia?

Could you give a summary of metro, tram, railways planned for the event or no?
As for Metro - Moscow don't need in it. There are station near Olympic stadium Luzhniki, station near Dynamo stadium (now under reconstruction) and station near site of Spartak stadium (which are ready in construction since 1975, but don't have exit on surface because there is nothing built at the nearby territory). St.-Petersburg also haven't problem with Metro.

Sochi transport will be ready for Olympic Games. There will be more number of athletes and visitors than at WC.

Kazan will be host of Summer Universiade 2013. There are still have 6 Metro stations and planned to opened one station this year and four - in 2013.

Nizhniy Novgorod, Samara and Yekaterinburg have own Metros, but they need money for expansion. I'm hope that goverment will helped with it.

Plus they are planned to organise speed connection between cities. The speed trains are run now between Moscow-St. Petersburg, and Moscow-Nizhny Novgorod.
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Old October 25th, 2010, 11:39 PM   #366
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Australia and Asia hosted Olympic Games before voting for 2010, but it was 44 and 36 years ago. Therefore, Sydney and Bejing were new candidates because there were not so many sport events which were spent in these cities before.
Sorry to jump in on this thread, but this statement is absolutely wrong.

Between Melbourne 1956 and Sydney 2000, Australia had hosted the 1962 an d1982 Commonwealth Games, the 1987 Rugby World Cup, the 1992 Cricket World Cup, the 1998 FINA World Championships, a formula 1 GP since 1985, an annual grand slam in the Australian Open, and so on.

Australia was hardly sitting around "putting another shrimp on the barbie" in the wilderness for the 44 years
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Old October 25th, 2010, 11:56 PM   #367
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Sorry to jump in on this thread, but this statement is absolutely wrong.

Between Melbourne 1956 and Sydney 2000, Australia had hosted the 1962 an d1982 Commonwealth Games, the 1987 Rugby World Cup, the 1992 Cricket World Cup, the 1998 FINA World Championships, a formula 1 GP since 1985, an annual grand slam in the Australian Open, and so on.

Australia was hardly sitting around "putting another shrimp on the barbie" in the wilderness for the 44 years
Are Rugby, Cricket, Formula 1 were included in Olympic programme?

I'm just to say that before 2000 there were not so many world championships in the Olympic disciplines on the territory of Australia. Therefore it was relative new choice. And Australians did well work (better than Atlanta 1996 or Athens 2004). The Russian journalists wrote about it many times.
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Are Rugby, Cricket, Formula 1 were included in Olympic programme?

I'm just to say that before 2000 there were not so many world championships in the Olympic disciplines on the territory of Australia. Therefore it was relative new choice. And Australians did well work (better than Atlanta 1996 or Athens 2004). The Russian journalists wrote about it many times.
no, but they are world class internationally reputed sporting events, which you have to have a clue to pull off

you assertion was that since 1956 Australia had not so many international sporting events. this is wrong
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Old October 26th, 2010, 10:34 AM   #369
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Presentation of the Kazan airport
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Old October 26th, 2010, 10:53 AM   #370
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Combined route in Sochi under construction
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Old October 26th, 2010, 11:57 AM   #371
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In 2022 Qatar will have theme parks and venues incredible. They want to astonish the world and visitors, so Qatar will give the novelty factor that England doesn't garantee.

This my opinion, I don't ask you to share it, we have different opionion. No problem.
Theme parks? Give me a break.
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Old October 26th, 2010, 02:39 PM   #372
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High-speed trains Sapsan for now ply between Moscow-Piter and Moscow-Nizhny Novgorod. The following routes will be Moscow-Sochi and NN-Kazan. Until 2018 all major cities in European Russia will be linked network of the same train.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPQQlSMTs6Q
Toll road project Krasnodar-Kabardinka. Cost about 3 billion euros. Completion of construction until 2014.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL0itP2og3Q
New City Road in Central Sochi (16 km).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdiOK...eature=related
Man-made island in Sochi " The Federation".
http://englishrussia.com/index.php/2...and-in-russia/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZnNiruNCZg

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Old October 26th, 2010, 10:05 PM   #373
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Alternative russian bid:
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Old October 27th, 2010, 12:04 AM   #374
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England's 2018 World Cup bid team demand apology from rivals Russia

• Russian bid leader had highlighted crime and alcohol abuse
• England 2018 believes claims contravene Fifa bidding rules


http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...-world-cup-bid

England's 2018 bid team have made a formal complaint to Fifa following derogatory comments by their main rival Russia about London. Officials have demanded a public apology after Alexei Sorokin, the Russian bid leader, last week highlighted London's "high crime rate" and youth alcohol problems.

England 2018 believe his claims contravene Fifa's bidding rules prohibiting comments about rival World Cup bidders and the governing body will write to Sorokin seeking an explanation.

Today in Zurich, where most of the bidding nations have gathered for the International Football Arena conference, Sorokin said he was misinterpreted and tried to play down the feud.

"I don't feel that what I said originally requires an apology," he said. "I am sure there is a record of that which, if forced, I will have to find."

Sorokin also questioned the timing of England's "strange complaint" to FIFA. "I am surprised that it is now, at this time. The world of football has other issues to focus on," he said.

However, that does not seem to have appeased England 2018, although it is unlikely Fifa's ethics committee will take the complaint any further given their already stretched schedule in investigating allegations of vote rigging ahead of the final vote on 2 December to decide which country will host the tournament.

Sorokin had told Russian daily Sports Express: "We do not enter into squabbles, although we have much to say. It's no secret, for example, that in London they have the highest crime rate compared with other European cities, and the highest level of alcohol consumption among young people."

Sorokin insisted Russia had no real problem with racism and pointed out that anti-Glazer fans had burned a Stars and Stripes flag at Old Trafford.

He said: "We could have a conversation about the lack of tolerance and the inciting of ethnic hatred by English fans. But we do not behave like someone who is always saying bad things about their neighbours."

The following day, Sorokin added: "Yes, that's what I said - but it is true" and later the Russian bid apologised with a spokesman saying: "Mr Sorokin regrets if his statements have led to such an erroneous interpretation and understanding."
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Old October 27th, 2010, 12:08 AM   #375
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I'm a fan of Russia 2018, but stop to have arguments against England.

You have a better bid and is useful to fight against England, english ad its press. The only thing important is the bid, and you have the best one.
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Old October 27th, 2010, 09:23 AM   #376
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England and Russia bid to be different in race for 2018 World Cup

There are many similarities in England and Russia's 2018 World Cup bids but the countries will stress the differences to Fifa


http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...world-cup-2018

Russia's ambitious bid to host the 2018 World Cup is the mirror image of England's but, as the vote on 2 December approaches, the two will do everything they can to differentiate their offers.

That was the case even before England's official complaint to Fifa over the reported comments of the Russian bid's chief executive, Alexei Sorokin, about London's problems with crime and binge drinking, remarks made in apparent contravention of the bidding rules.

What was already a spiky contest between Russia, still the favourite for many close to the process, England and Spain/Portugal, which has kept a low profile and relied on the formidable networking skills of Fifa ex-co member Angel Maria Villar Llona but is now under investigation following rumours of vote trading, is about to get even feistier.

England's bid is pitched as a safe bet, with many of the stadiums already built and a promised £161m operating profit for Fifa on top of record TV and sponsorship revenues. Its ambitious legacy claims centre on what it can do for football around the world with the millions that will be generated from a country where football is already a huge money spinner and top-flight stadiums packed with fans.

In contrast, Russia's bid – as showcased yesterday at the International Football Arena conference – relies on appealing to the not insubstantial ego of the Fifa executive committee. It will, they promise, take the World Cup into new and uncharted territory, opening up vast new commercial markets and leaving a legacy of shiny new stadiums and an infrastructure for the sport.

Where England highlight sold out Premier League grounds, Russia point to the potential for increasing attendances if their stadia are upgraded, with 14 of the 16 proposed due to be built from scratch. The obligatory references to legacy come thick and fast in all Russia's presentations, along with subtle but telling reminders that they have never hosted the World Cup.

It also plays to the tendency for Fifa executive committee members to think of themselves as social engineers on a grand scale, with Sorokin today talking about what the World Cup could do to break down "misconceptions" and showcase "the new Russia".

Perhaps crucially, though, the Russians are also trying to paint the bid as risk-free. There is a theory that the recent outbreak of corruption allegations may make voters more risk-adverse and more open to suggestion from the Fifa president, Sepp Blatter, and the general secretary, Jérôme Valcke, about where to place their bets.

Government guarantees to make up any shortfall, underwrite free train travel for fans between cities and invest $6bn [£3.8bn] in infrastructure all back up the case but raise questions about its reliance on government support. So Sorokin was at pains to highlight the extent to which the huge investment will also be supported by private enterprise. "The Dynamo stadium is a great example of it, financed by Russian VTB Bank and built on the city of Moscow's land. It's going to be a classic showcase for many other stadiums.

"We develop naturally, so it's not correct to say that we intend to make this the most expensive World Cup. We just spend this money on improving our life and intend to do so regardless of the 2 December decision. In general the World Cup will create jobs, boost tourism and bring money into the country. We are certain in indirect ways it will be profitable."

The deep pockets of the Russian bid, partly funded by oligarchs including Roman Abramovich, have attracted envious looks from rivals and the usual dark mutterings about the uses to which they might be put, all vigorously denied.

In the wake of the negative publicity the Russian bid has received over incidents of racism, which came to be symbolised by a banner directed at West Bromwich striker Peter Odemwingie by fans of his former club Lokomotiv Moscow, and sporadic outbreaks of violent hooliganism, it has become sensitive to criticism. That has played into a distrust of the British press.

Sorokin, speaking after his presentation, said: "When you have a society of 145m people, there are outbreaks but they do not represent a trend. You can say that about any social disease. Go to Kazan and see how people of different religions and ethnicities live side by side. I always have an impression that we are the only ones prone to these things but it springs up all over the world. We are no different. Only last week the Russian football union adopted a memorandum on combating any racist intolerance."

In his presentation, Sorokin tried to make a virtue of another obvious criticism of Russia's bid - that the country is just too big, with the bid proposal stretching from Kalingrad on the Polish border to Yekaterinburg beyond the Ural mountains in the east.

"Our country has nine time zones, a population of 145m people, over 180 nationalities live in peace and harmony in a huge land that stretches from west to east," he said.

The Russian bid proposes to group its stadiums into four geographic clusters in a bid to mitigate the concerns of fans and TV schedulers.

Whatever the relative merits of the bids the final decisions will be arrived at through a mixture of their ability to deliver, emotional pull, political expediency, favours returned and - for some, it appears - financial gain.

It is becoming increasingly clear that this race will go to the wire. The recent allegations of corruption and collusion have only served to muddy the waters further and all bidders now believe the final few days of ferocious lobbying will be crucial.

As with the IOC process, the final presentations and even the final minutes before the vote will assume greater importance.

England will be hoping to persuade prime minister David Cameron, David Beckham and Prince William to make the trip while Sorokin confirmed the Russian bid was still hoping Vladimir Putin would repeat his show-stealing personal appearance that helped secure the 2014 Sochi Winter Olympics. That project has since become a bellwether for supporters and critics alike of the World Cup bid. "It has become his great idea to host a World Cup in Russia. We hope he will inspire people," said Sorokin. "It's no secret that Putin is keen on sports development. He has done a lot for the development of our industry."

Minutes before he was told that England's formal complaint had reignited the row about his ill-advised attempt to discuss the varying approaches of the British and Russian media, Sorokin promised that despite all the noises off, allegations of dirty tricks and investigations into corruption he would maintain focus as the race entered its end game.

"I honestly think that all the focus of our attention will be on the final presentation. We'll do whatever it takes to really impress the Ex-co with a great performance on stage. We will try to surprise in a good way."
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Russian official slams England's 'absolutely primitive' World Cup bid

• Fifa to discuss separating 2018 and 2022 World Cup votes
• Governing body unable to act on latest comments


http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...-bid-primitive

The bitterness over the 2018 World Cup intensified last night when one of the most senior figures in Russian football damned England's bid as "absolutely primitive" and the situation as "comical".

As Fifa's shell-shocked executive committee gathers today to discuss the possibility of postponing the vote for the 2022 tournament until a later date in the wake of corruption allegations, England's team was last night considering its response to the outburst from the honorary president of the Russian Football Union.

Senior England 2018 sources believe Vyacheslav Koloskov's intervention could be a ploy, designed to provoke them into a response that would itself fall foul of Fifa's rules forbidding bidders from commenting on their rivals. Because Koloskov, a former longstanding Uefa and Fifa executive committee member, is not a formal member of the bid team, he falls outside the rules, despite lobbying extensively on Russia's behalf.

The dispute exploded on Tuesday when, during a presentation by the Russian chief executive Alexei Sorokin in Zurich, it emerged England had submitted an official complaint to Fifa demanding an apology over his reported comments on London's crime rate and youth alcoholism.

Despite anger at what they saw as repeated attempts to undermine England's bid by making slurs and then blaming them on mistranslation or misconception, insiders insist they wanted the dispute to remain private. But Koloskov said the complaint was an admission that England were behind in the race to host the 2018 World Cup and they were rattled. He also referred to the recent Sunday Times investigation that has left Fifa battling to salvage its reputation.

"It's a comical situation. The English are afraid of how badly their bid is going. Their journalists are provoking members of the committee, and they now say one of the members of our bidding team has spoken out against England in an improper manner," he told the Russian website championat.ru. "I think it's a raising of tensions, and also an attempt to in some way influence the work of our bidding team."

Sorokin has maintained that his comments were misinterpreted, and that he was merely drawing attention to the tactics used by the English media to discredit the Russian bid. He was reported as saying: "It's no secret, for example, that in London they have the highest crime rate compared with other European cities, and the highest level of alcohol consumption among young people."

"These acts have little chance of success. Russia should not be afraid of sanctions. There won't even be an investigation," said Koloskov of England's complaint to Fifa, which said yesterday it had spoken to both sides. "The behaviour of the English is absolutely primitive. Instead of talking about their own excellence and merits, they try to put off their opponents."

Earlier, Sorokin said he had written to the England bid team to explain his actions but would not be apologising formally. "I just expressed my regret over the whole thing, it was just a misunderstanding," he said. "It wasn't a formal apology because I don't feel like I've broken any rules. All of us in the Russian bid team have a great deal of respect for our English colleagues and I'd like to think they respect us as well. I hope we can put this matter to rest for good now."

After Koloskov's intervention there now seems little chance of that, and England will have to decide whether to risk inflaming the situation further or accept Sorokin's clarification.

The Fifa executive committee will meet today, meanwhile, for the first time since two of its number, Amos Adamu and Reynald Temarii, were provisionally suspended in the wake of the Sunday Times investigation that appeared to show them agreeing to accept money in return for their votes.

It is understood that one of the items on the agenda will be a recommendation to separate the votes for the 2018 and 2022 World Cups, postponing the latter until a later date. The plan would seek to remove the shadow of potential collusion between blocs of voters but will meet stiff opposition from some on the executive committee who believe it would unfairly punish the 2022 bidders.
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Perhaps he should heed his own words.
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Perhaps none of the Russians should speak full stop. Whatever comes out doesn't exactly help Russia now does it. I think every time Russia has come out and said something, an equal or worse reaction has happened back at home. You'd think they would've learnt their lesson by now.
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Perhaps none of the Russians should speak full stop. Whatever comes out doesn't exactly help Russia now does it. I think every time Russia has come out and said something, an equal or worse reaction has happened back at home. You'd think they would've learnt their lesson by now.
Perhaps you should stop throwing racist comments and insults all over the board.
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