Johor Bahru Transportation Plan

[kenni-c]

Its really obvious that the new name "Vast" Rapid Transit exists for two reasons:

1. A very obvious effort to differentiate from Singapore's MRT and to establish a new brand for Malaysia's "home-grown" transport system which could double as an excuse for not being similar to the MRT when it doesn't deliver the end result as expected when compared to the system Singapore has developed.

2. An obscure term that does not stipulate any known definition which allows a "vast" opportunity for the planners/authorities to vary the definition of the newly coined system to include a range of transport types that might or might not be suitable for JB. In short, making a new category with vague definition that could be manipulated by the authorities.

Mass Rapid Transit has a meaning: moving people (mass) in a rapid form of transport (transit). Does "Vast" Rapid Transit means moving people in a "vast" swathe of urban land? tbh, JB doesnt seem any vaster than Singapore in any sense.

Personally, I feel the acronymisation exercises are just rebranding techniques. I prefer the generic term: Metro

[JB Citizens (+_+)]

If JB everything is not okay....

What do you guys want???

Lack of faith... Too Bad...

[allurban]

Originally Posted by kenni-c

Its really obvious that the new name "Vast" Rapid Transit exists for two reasons:

1. A very obvious effort to differentiate from Singapore's MRT and to establish a new brand for Malaysia's "home-grown" transport system which could double as an excuse for not being similar to the MRT when it doesn't deliver the end result as expected when compared to the system Singapore has developed.

2. An obscure term that does not stipulate any known definition which allows a "vast" opportunity for the planners/authorities to vary the definition of the newly coined system to include a range of transport types that might or might not be suitable for JB. In short, making a new category with vague definition that could be manipulated by the authorities.

Mass Rapid Transit has a meaning: moving people (mass) in a rapid form of transport (transit). Does "Vast" Rapid Transit means moving people in a "vast" swathe of urban land? tbh, JB doesnt seem any vaster than Singapore in any sense.

Personally, I feel the acronymisation exercises are just rebranding techniques. I prefer the generic term: Metro

"Vast" because the Iskandar Development Region is a "vast" area (South Johor) with "vast" opportunities for everyone to make money.

Plus, the "Vast" Rapid Transit or "VRT" will probably be mostly bus-based transport...and "VRT" sounds a lot like "BRT" and "vast" sounds close enough to "bus/bas" without actually having to use the word "bus"

Cheers, m

[nazrey]

Alamak.. sya baru nampak stesen keretapi sana
Harap itu menjadi realiti!

[DW25]

For more than 10 years, Johor Menteri Besar has not put in effort to make public transport better:

1) promises of LRT and monorail NEVER took off.
2) After the establishment of SJER, they were talks of Public transport Masterplan .... no more than empty piece of paper .
3) The comprehensive development plan on Transit development , do the authorities actually read it at all ?

Our Singapore counterpart is planning to another S$60 billion MRT extension, and Johor Bahru has none .

[World 2 World]

+1

[PenangiteInSingapore]

Originally Posted by allurban

"Vast" because the Iskandar Development Region is a "vast" area (South Johor) with "vast" opportunities for everyone to make money.

Plus, the "Vast" Rapid Transit or "VRT" will probably be mostly bus-based transport...and "VRT" sounds a lot like "BRT" and "vast" sounds close enough to "bus/bas" without actually having to use the word "bus"

Cheers, m

Most of the cities today use the term Metro. This is evident amongst those Spanish, French, Portuguese speaking cities as well Past-Sovietism & Communism cities. All cities in China use Metro except for Beijing which takes the term Subway. Thailand chooses the term Metro too.

Singapore uses the term Mass Rapid Transit (MRT) heavily whereas Hong Kong opts for Mass Transit Railway (MTR). San Francisco changes the name slightly to be Bay Area Rapid Transit (BART in short). Very creative.

The first metro system is in fact named as London Underground.

Nevertheless, whether it is named as Metro, or Subway, or Underground, or Rapid Transit, they are all the same and belong to Metro System. Metro System is just the subset of Rapid Transit System.

Personally, I think Iskandar Malaysia can choose the abbreviation IMET (Iskandar Metro). Nice name and to show appreciation to the name of Iskandar as well as to differentiate Johor Bahru transportation system from public transportation system in Singapore.

[allurban]

Originally Posted by PenangiteInSingapore

Personally, I think Iskandar Malaysia can choose the abbreviation IMET (Iskandar Metro). Nice name and to show appreciation to the name of Iskandar as well as to differentiate Johor Bahru transportation system from public transportation system in Singapore.

It's a nice name but you are assuming that Iskandar Malaysia will have a rail-based system. If the system is bus-based or KTM Komuter based, can it be called a 'metro'?

Cheers, m

[PenangiteInSingapore]

Originally Posted by allurban

It's a nice name but you are assuming that Iskandar Malaysia will have a rail-based system. If the system is bus-based or KTM Komuter based, can it be called a 'metro'?

Cheers, m

Metro is just the abbreviation of metropolitan. It is the name of a product or service in urban, but usually rapid transit. Bus system can be renamed as metro, for example, bus system in Northern Ireland and Wales. So, it is okay to have the term metro for the bus, KTM and transit railways.

[nazrey]

JB Sentral
The old and new platform
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The old platform will remove!

[nazrey]

KTM railway track @ JB
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[nazrey]

KL, S’pore conclude deal
2010/09/21 From Shahrum Sayuthi in Singapore
http://www.nst.com.my/nst/articles/K...edeal/Article/

MALAYSIA and Singapore yesterday sealed the agreement on a land swap involving Keretapi Tanah Melayu Bhd’s land in the republic.

Both countries mutually accepted each other’s proposals on the deal except on the issue of development charges payable on the three parcels of land under the points of agreement (POA) in Tanjong Pagar, Kranji and Woodlands.

The two countries agreed to refer the charges to arbitration under the auspices of the Permanent Court of Arbitration (PCA).

Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak and his Singapore counterpart, Lee Hsien Loong, issued a joint statement after leading their respective delegations to a bilateral meeting at the Istana yesterday.

At a press conference later, the two leaders described the final agreement as the “enhanced POA”. Both leaders agreed that the attached commitments to the agreement would enhance cooperation between the two countries.

These included the plan to build a rapid transit system linking the republic and Johor Baru and the joint-venture project for a wellness township in Iskandar Malaysia.

With regard to the outstanding issue, Najib said both sides had agreed with not only “a legally correct deal but also a politically acceptable solution”.

“We want this agreement to be able to stand the test of time. If the agreement was only legally right, it could be subjected to criticisms. That is why we also want it to be politically acceptable by both sides.”

Najib added that with the issue on the way to resolution after being a source of contention for the past 20 years, both countries could now move on to enhance ties for mutual benefit.

On development charges being referred to the PCA, Najib said the matter had been done in such a way because both sides wanted it to be concluded amicably.

“Rest assured, the proposed development under the agreement will proceed as planned as it does not have to wait for the outcome of the arbitration.”

He said this agreement signified the final chapter in the longstanding arrangement, which started 20 years ago.

“We are both delighted as well as relieved that we can put this behind us and move forward.”

The prime minister pointed out that Singapore and Lee had shown deep commitment to addressing the POA, which was of mutual benefit to both sides, resulting in the old version of the POA being further enhanced.

The last time Malaysia and Singapore had referred to the PCA was over the republic’s land reclamation project on Pulau Tekong, which Malaysia claimed had a negative impact on its environment.

Lee, on his part, expressed satisfaction that the railway land issue had finally been settled and described the agreement as being the mark of a new beginning for relations between the two countries.

“I have to admit that the conclusion of this agreement has not only delighted us but also gave us a sense of relief as we can now move forward with our relations for the mutual benefit of both countries.”

Later, Johor Menteri Besar Datuk Abdul Ghani Othman, Foreign Affairs Minister Datuk Seri Anifah Aman, Minister in the Prime Minister’s Department Tan Sri Nor Mohamed Yakcop and Khazanah Nasional Bhd chairman Tan Sri Azman Mokhtar expanded on the details of the agreement in a briefing for the Malaysian press, particularly on the sole contentious issue of development charges.

The issue arose after the Singapore side argued that the development charges needed to be paid by the joint-venture company M-S Pte Ltd, which was set up by Khazanah and the Singapore government’s investment arm, Temasik Holdings, to develop the parcels of land contained in the POA.

Malaysia had, on the other hand, argued that the issue of development charges should not arise at all.

Azman explained that despite the development charges being “substantial”, the project to develop the parcels of land would still be economically viable even if the PCA eventually decided that it needed to be paid by M-S Pte Ltd.

“The matter should not in any way be considered a snag in the agreement that was finalised today,” he said, while stressing the development of the land would proceed as planned, even while the matter was being deliberated by the PCA.

[dengilo]

No matter how or what the preposed MRT link i want it on a bridge or tunnel not the causeway!!!The causeway will have to go sooner or later!!!

[tunomura]

Originally Posted by dengilo

No matter how or what the preposed MRT link i want it on a bridge or tunnel not the causeway!!!The causeway will have to go sooner or later!!!

Undersea tunnel between Johor and S’pore seen as an option

PUTRAJAYA: An undersea tunnel between Malaysia and Singapore was an option being considered by both countries, according to Transport Minister Datuk Seri Kong Cho Ha.

He said the tunnel was being considered to realise the rapid transit system (RTS) between Johor Baru and Woodlands in Singapore as agreed upon by the two countries at their meeting in May.

An undersea tunnel involved high cost but it was an option that was more environment-friendly, he said.

"We have some options but still have to sit down seriously to discuss with the Singapore side to come up with an agreement on how to jointly develop this," he told reporters after an Aidilfitri reception at the ministry, here.

Kong said one option was to build another causeway which, he added, did not involve high cost but was not environment-friendly. Constructing a bridge was yet another option but the type of bridge would have to be determined because merchant vessels continued to use the Strait of Johor separating peninsular Malaysia and Singapore, he said.

"I think for the future development of the connectivity between Malaysia and Singapore, we cannot depend on the causeway alone. Trains may make only two or three trips a day ... but for the continual flow of people between Singapore and Johor Baru we need a more permanent and efficient transportation, besides taxis or buses," he said.

Under the agreement reached in May, Johor Baru and Singapore are to be linked by a rapid transit system by 2018. - Bernama

[nazrey]

MRT Woodlands station, Singapore
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Woodlands bus terminus
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Bus terminus at immigration, Johor Bahru, Johor, Malaysia
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[nazrey]

KTM Johor Bahru station platforms at immigration
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[chumpon]

ntah bila keadaan nak berubah ??

[nazrey]

SINGAPORE-JOHOR BAHRU RING ROAD

[nazrey]

The old and new platform at JB Sentral
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[nazrey]

Night At JB Sentral
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