ENGLAND - Rugby World Cup 2015

[Harry1990]

Not entirely sure but i would imagine that the expansion could happen quite quickly but dont know whether it would need get planning permision for the final stages

[RMB2007]

Here's the latest news I could find on the Welford Road redevelopment:

http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.u...l/article.html

[vitaming]

I don't think Cardiff as a venue is a case of Wales selling their vote (again), England asked for use of the MS because it's the biggest venue close to the SW heartlands, and the pitch aside, maybe the world's best rugby specific venue.

[Harry1990]

Maybe the biggest in the sw but it does strike me a tad suspicious regarding the votes etc maybe not i might just be cynical

[Axelferis]

why scotland doesn't organize it? everytime it is France,England,walles

[miguelon]

These venues for the RWC can put in shame most Football WC venues.... 4 - 5 venues, could have been the main venue (final game) for any tournament (Wembley, Twickenham, Old Traford, Millennium and even Emirates).

It has the potential for an average of +50,000 in attendance per game.

[parcdesprinces]

Originally Posted by Axelferis

why scotland doesn't organize it? everytime it is France,England,walles

Well, not as the main venue, but Murrayfield already hosted 3 times the IRB WC !! (1991, 1999 & 2007 )

[lwa]

Originally Posted by Harry1990

Not entirely sure but i would imagine that the expansion could happen quite quickly but dont know whether it would need get planning permision for the final stages

Could only happen quickly if there is enough capacity in the rest of the ground to accomodate displaced ST holders while the work is carried out. If they have to build around the existing stand, a la Cat stand, then that could slow things down considerably

Originally Posted by RMB2007

Here's the latest news I could find on the Welford Road redevelopment:

http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.u...l/article.html

Thanks - good to hear. Although no increased capacity in the new main stand? Is there really going to be 8,000 extra seats at the ends after the final phases?

[lwa]

Originally Posted by vitaming

I don't think Cardiff as a venue is a case of Wales selling their vote (again), England asked for use of the MS because it's the biggest venue close to the SW heartlands, and the pitch aside, maybe the world's best rugby specific venue.

Not this time (think England and Japan were the only nations to bid - so don't think a vote ever actually took place), but certainly has been in the past

Originally Posted by Axelferis

why scotland doesn't organize it? everytime it is France,England,walles

Scotland would struggle on their own; Could just about find enough venues, but the infrastructure to support the number of fans who would come (bearing in mind close proximity to 5 tier 1 nations). Especially given we would really need to use all 3 venues in Glasgow

SRU did commission a feasability study into bidding for 2015 though (both independently, and joint with Ireland. Only the latter was really a realistic prospect). Would like to see a joint Scotland/Ireland bid:

Murrayfield
Easter Road
Hampden
Ibrox
Aberdeen's new Ground/Pittodrie

Croke Park
Lansdowne Road
Thommond Park
New NI National Stadium/Ravenhill (which could hold 15K in the near future)
A ground in Connacht somewhere (no idea what suitable venues exist TBH)

2 pool in each country, 2 QF's in each (with each host playing first 5 games in their own country), a Semi-final each, and a fight over who gets the final (other one getting the 3rd/4th PO)

Originally Posted by miguelon

These venues for the RWC can put in shame most Football WC venues.... 4 - 5 venues, could have been the main venue (final game) for any tournament (Wembley, Twickenham, Old Traford, Millennium and even Emirates).

It has the potential for an average of +50,000 in attendance per game.

France (which had the Stade de France, Stade Veledrome, Millenium Stadium and Murrayfield) got very close with 48,000. Think they will struggle to beat that though - smallest crowd in France was 25,000 though, still bigger than at least 2 grounds England are using!

That French record will stand for a long time I feel - even beat the FIFA WC in France by 10,000! :O

[Andy-i]

Originally Posted by Axelferis

why scotland doesn't organize it? everytime it is France,England,walles

But they always get matches, regardless of where it is being held in Europe.

Scotland has hosted matches in 1991, 1999 and 2007

EDIT: Sorry, missed PDP's post!

[Andy-i]

Originally Posted by lwa

Not this time (think England and Japan were the only nations to bid - so don't think a vote ever actually took place), but certainly has been in the past



Scotland would struggle on their own; Could just about find enough venues, but the infrastructure to support the number of fans who would come (bearing in mind close proximity to 5 tier 1 nations). Especially given we would really need to use all 3 venues in Glasgow

SRU did commission a feasability study into bidding for 2015 though (both independently, and joint with Ireland. Only the latter was really a realistic prospect). Would like to see a joint Scotland/Ireland bid:

Murrayfield
Easter Road
Hampden
Ibrox
Aberdeen's new Ground/Pittodrie

Croke Park
Lansdowne Road
Thommond Park
New NI National Stadium/Ravenhill (which could hold 15K in the near future)
A ground in Connacht somewhere (no idea what suitable venues exist TBH)

2 pool in each country, 2 QF's in each (with each host playing first 5 games in their own country), a Semi-final each, and a fight over who gets the final (other one getting the 3rd/4th PO)




France (which had the Stade de France, Stade Veledrome, Millenium Stadium and Murrayfield) got very close with 48,000. Think they will struggle to beat that though - smallest crowd in France was 25,000 though, still bigger than at least 2 grounds England are using!

That French record will stand for a long time I feel - even beat the FIFA WC in France by 10,000! :O

Its interesting that the actual average for matches held in France holds up quite well. There were 2 games at Murrayfield and 4 at the Millenium in 2007.
If you take those games out the actual attendance total in France itself was 1961039 (still higher than 2003) and the average only drops a little from 47150 to 46691.

Although there is no doubt that cherry picking the largest stadia in countries outside the host helps bump attendance.

If the Football world cup was hosted across 4 or so countries they could use the biggest stadia and the attendance would be enormous!

It could be a good idea for a thread. Choose the venues for a trans-european world cup using the same model as a RWC.
Here's my 12 for a nominaly "English" world cup:
Wembley, OT, Emirates, St James, Anfield, Villa Park
Nou Camp, Bernabao, SDF
Croke Park, Millenium

Mind you, it wont happen, as Fifa don't allow it!

[flierfy]

Originally Posted by lwa

France (which had the Stade de France, Stade Veledrome, Millenium Stadium and Murrayfield) got very close with 48,000. Think they will struggle to beat that though - smallest crowd in France was 25,000 though, still bigger than at least 2 grounds England are using!

That French record will stand for a long time I feel - even beat the FIFA WC in France by 10,000! :O

I don't think so. The small grounds with 3 or 4 group stage matches won't make as much weight as the big stadiums which are used more often. And therein lies Englands advantage over France. Twickenham and the Emirates are just as big as the Stade de France and the Velodrome. But with Wembley and Old Trafford England holds two more aces which will take the trick. Unless fans are priced out England will set a new attendance record. I'm quite sure of that.

[lwa]

Originally Posted by Andy-i

Its interesting that the actual average for matches held in France holds up quite well. There were 2 games at Murrayfield and 4 at the Millenium in 2007.
If you take those games out the actual attendance total in France itself was 1961039 (still higher than 2003) and the average only drops a little from 47150 to 46691.

Although there is no doubt that cherry picking the largest stadia in countries outside the host helps bump attendance.

If the Football world cup was hosted across 4 or so countries they could use the biggest stadia and the attendance would be enormous!

It could be a good idea for a thread. Choose the venues for a trans-european world cup using the same model as a RWC.
Here's my 12 for a nominaly "English" world cup:
Wembley, OT, Emirates, St James, Anfield, Villa Park
Nou Camp, Bernabao, SDF
Croke Park, Millenium

Mind you, it wont happen, as Fifa don't allow it!

French average holds up well because the games outside France weren't all that well attended!

2 at Murrayfield, on was a sell-out, but Scotland v Romania only had 30,00 ish.

4 at Millenium: QF, and Wales v Aus (sell-out's), but also hosted Fiji v Canada (less than average) and another Welsh game (only 35,000)



And the reason for the high attendance in France wasn't purely down to the size of grounds - it's all very well having Old Trafford and Wembley, but you also need the fixtures to fill them! The success of 2007 was because 40,000 people were willing to come out midweek and watch Romania v Portugal.

I just can't see that many people coming out in the north of England to watch a game as a neutral, RWC or not! (as mentioned earlier - only 35,000 bothered to watch Wales in Cardiff during the last RWC! So no garuntee's of sell-outs there either)

[parcdesprinces]

Originally Posted by lwa

at Millenium: QF

At least, for once, French 'away' fans almost ""filled"" a stadium !!! (myself included BTW)


Sweet memories :

[MS20]

Originally Posted by lwa

France (which had the Stade de France, Stade Veledrome, Millenium Stadium and Murrayfield) got very close with 48,000. Think they will struggle to beat that though - smallest crowd in France was 25,000 though, still bigger than at least 2 grounds England are using!

That French record will stand for a long time I feel - even beat the FIFA WC in France by 10,000! :O

Where are you getting your stats?

WC 98 (entirely held in France): 2,785,100 total, for an average of 43,517 across 64 games. Stadium average capacity was 45,600. 95.43% capacity.

RWC 07 (taking advantage of 3 co-hosts): 2,263,223 total, for an average of 47,150 across 48 matches. Stadium average capacity was 49,075. 96.007% capacity.

That to me doesn't look like a difference of 10,000. Looks more like 3,500. If England really wanted to, they could beat the French record in RWC attendance.

[CharlieP]

Originally Posted by lwa

Apparently the WRU have today confirmed they will be hosting several games (as has been talked about, but not confirmed until now) in 2015. Meaning this will be the 4th European RWC, and the 4th at which Wales has hosted games (to England and Scotlands 3, and Ireland and Frances (?) 2).

Getting a joke now TBH - fair enough, Wales couldn't host it on their own and therefore needed help from some of England/Ireland/Scotland, but both England and France could EASILLY host it themselfs!

Apparently Rugby World Cup 2023 will be held in South Africa, with 7 games at the Millennium Stadium.

[flierfy]

Originally Posted by CharlieP

Apparently Rugby World Cup 2023 will be held in South Africa, with 7 games at the Millennium Stadium.

Just why didn't New Zealand resort to the Millennium Stadium as they are even shorter of stadium capacity than South Africa?

[lwa]

Originally Posted by flierfy

Just why didn't New Zealand resort to the Millennium Stadium as they are even shorter of stadium capacity than South Africa?

Was more in there today than in Eden Park itself! :O

[TEBC]

the final will be host in wembley stadium?

[RMB2007]

No, the final will be at Twickers.