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Old February 4th, 2010, 04:51 PM   #221
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Two more of the immaculate Bodiam Castle (Kent, England):

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The raw and powerful Norman keep of Rochester Castle in Kent was besieged in 1215 (successful) and 1264 (unsuccessful):



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The world's largest inhabited castle, and the oldest in continuous habitation, at Windsor:

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Old February 4th, 2010, 04:55 PM   #222
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Neuenburg castle, Freyburg, Saxony-Anhalt
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Old February 4th, 2010, 04:59 PM   #223
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Nuremberg Castle, Frankonia, Germany. One of the largest in Europe as well.


Raw German military beauty.

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Old February 4th, 2010, 05:05 PM   #224
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Stolberg Castle, Northrine-Westphalia, Germany.


Looking similar to British castles in quite a strange way.

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Old February 4th, 2010, 05:16 PM   #225
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No 19/20th century rebuilding or re-shape after the romantic taste, just original middle ages: enjoy some italian castles.

Bardi (Parma)


Bracciano (Viterbo)


Caccamo (Palermo)
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From the photos provided, and of course existing knowledge, Britain's castles have by far the most architectural diversity.None of the German castles have the architectural quality, history or topography as say Edinburgh, Stirling or Windsor. Britain has a myriad of unique styles and a sense of place - Scottish Baronial is exclusive to Scotland. Norman medieval has an overwhelming sense of 'Englishness' etc.

Erbse quite clearly dislikes the UK and is deliberately ignoring historical facts in order to promote German castles.German castles are quite pretty but they are all the same - they are romanticised, late built castles. Where's the big brutal military ones? Lots of the German castles just look like any reconstruction to be found in Slovakia or elsewhere.

The countries with the best castles in my opinion, relating both the architecture and topography, are:

1. Scotland
2. England
3. France
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Rheinfels Castle, St. Goar, Rhineland-Palatinate

One of the largest castle ruins.

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How Rheinfels Castle appeared in 1607:

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Would be an interesting reconstruction project someday.


That was how raw military castles of medieval times appeared in Germany.
Quite different to Britain. But they also served their purpose, some better than those of Britain, some worse.
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Old February 4th, 2010, 05:47 PM   #228
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You guys also shouldn't forget about the difficult German history.
There are lots of castles that belonged to German state territory until 1918/1945 or were built by the Germans/Holy Roman Empire.


Just think of:

Hohkönigsburg, Alsace (once German Elsass-Lothringen)
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German in appearance and history.

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Ironically it's one of the most visited sights of France today...
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Old February 4th, 2010, 05:50 PM   #229
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No 19/20th century rebuilding or re-shape after the romantic taste, just original middle ages: enjoy some italian castles.

Caccamo (Palermo)
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Yes, and this last one is what I consider to be a "classic" castle. One finds this in Britain, France, and in many of the Mediterranean countries.

The reason all these German castles appear to me so "civilian" is because their skylines are always softened by roofs and spires. It gives them their civilian "village" appearance - the same kind of roofs one finds in their towns and villages indeed. In none of the German castles is the skyline formed of hard stone battlements.

It's like an old comfortable aristocrat protesting his descent from the knights when in fact he and his ancestors haven't worn armour in battle for centuries. German castles make me think of Hansel & Gretal or Rapunzel (ie fairytales), when what I want is the Black Prince or Richard the Lionheart.
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You've got to be kidding. I don't care if a castle is a military phallus, but since you demand it...
So you're just going to ignore my post?
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Goar, Rhineland-Palatinate

One of the largest castle ruins.




Speaking of castle ruins.


Borgholms castle ruin, Sweden.





A popular place for concerts too.
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Old February 4th, 2010, 06:02 PM   #232
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^ Looks huge!!
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Britain just can't offer something like this:


Königstein Fortress, Saxony, Germany.

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Should be military enough - even for ma' monkey homey, eh.
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Old February 4th, 2010, 06:09 PM   #234
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Scottish Highland castle:

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Braemar castle:



Castle Campbell:



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Inveraray castle:

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Eilean Donan:



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Edinburgh castle:






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Some additional ones of German Festung Königstein:


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Königstein in the back (Saxon Switzerland landscape, Bastei bridge):
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Why are you showing us a bridge?

Can you not show us some half decent German ones? Where's the military castles?

There are lots of pictures of Britian's diverse castles - Edinburgh, Stirling, Eilean Donan, Windsor, Cardiff, Inveraray, Balomoral, Floors etc etc. We have big medieval military ones and ornamental stately ones.

Can you not try and break the stereotype everyone has of German castles that they are all boring and the same and romantic versions of 'Disney-esque' castles? Where's the big meaty, manly castles that have 'scars' from wars?
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Should be military enough - even for ma' monkey homey, eh.
No. It has C19th cannons, C19th "frills", and the roofs look like those on buildings in any German town or village. There's no skyline of battlements, and nothing to evoke the era of the chivalrous knights.
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You're the one who doesn't have any idea Langur Those are royal Saxon Kartaunen of the 15th century.


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Where's the big meaty, manly castles that have 'scars' from wars?
Rheinfels Castle is more manly than everything you came up with so far.

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Yes, and this last one is what I consider to be a "classic" castle. One finds this in Britain, France, and in many of the Mediterranean countries.

The reason all these German castles appear to me so "civilian" is because their skylines are always softened by roofs and spires. It gives them their civilian "village" appearance - the same kind of roofs one finds in their towns and villages indeed. In none of the German castles is the skyline formed of hard stone battlements.

It's like an old aristocrat protesting his descent from the knights when in fact he and his ancestors haven't worn armour in battle for centuries. German castles make me think of Hansel & Gretal or Rapunzel (ie fairytales), when what I want is the Black Prince or Richard the Lionheart.
I see the point.

Well, I do not think there is such thing as a true look for a castle, just like there is no true look for a church or a skyscraper.

As a personal note, I like english castles because they are very distinctive, but I also appreciate german ones because they are fashioned in a pretty different way.

I mean, as an outsider I would never be obliged to decide whether british castles are better, or german (french/spanish) ones.

I can sense a certain national uniformity, perhaps stemming from the late 18th/20th romantic age rather than from the original appearance of each single castle.

Probably none of the thousands of castles in Europe have remained untouched since the age they were built, being "living" operational manufacts.

Many were transformed into residence, or prison, or garrison, or neglected and half-demolished, still useful as quarries whose stones were re-used for other purposes.

But since the romantic age on, castles were restored by erasing post-medieval layers of architectural rearrangements.

The removal of post medieval features and the comeback to the (hypotetical - in fact) pristine shape, make us feel like original some pretty romantic architectonical elements, whereas they aren't such.

Moreover, some castles look like patent fakes anyway. (To put it bluntly: I don't like Carcassonne -or Gradara, Italy -that much, albeit tourists adore it).

Apart from revival issues, I reckon we all are influenced by one's own national "style", and subsequently biased -including me of course- when talking about how a really beautiful castle should look like.
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By the by, I just can't see how Edinburgh Castle would be superior to, say, Nuremberg, Burghausen or Hohensalzburg.
For one, it's a genuine medieval castle sitting upon an extinct volcano overlooking one of the finest cities in Europe...
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