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Old February 3rd, 2010, 02:05 PM   #141
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Old February 3rd, 2010, 02:19 PM   #142
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Our views appear to be personal preferences. But I want to explain mine a little deeper: stylistic diversity would be fine... for a walled city. But in case of a fortress - chaotic build-up robs the place of it's original elegance. Sometimes, it succeeds - Burg Eltz is a good example (which is one of the most famous European castles). But as far as fame is concerned - most of the castles that were posted on this thread are little-known outside of their own countries. It means that these castles lack a universal appeal. The most famous castle in the world is actually not from Europe - the Himeji castle (which excelled as both a walled town and a castle) - now that is what I mean by the elegance of stylistic unity - you just can't compare a fad-ridden fortress like the Trinity Lavra to that:

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Sorry I had to get a little off-topic to illustrate my point.
Himeji Castle is certainly very beautiful (but most famous in the world? ) but I was also impressed by Trinity Lavra and the Kremlin which combine buildings of different eras. The Kremlin is absolutely awesome viewed from across the river or from Red Square.
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Old February 3rd, 2010, 02:23 PM   #143
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Krak de Chevaliers (sp?) is the best imo. Very thick and impervious.
Yes and well done for mentioning it. It's criminal that it hasn't been included already. We need to see more crusader castles on here. They're phenomenal!!

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Old February 3rd, 2010, 02:27 PM   #144
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The Crusader's castles are impressive in size, but somehow they fail to amaze me in a similar way Britain castles do. For similar reasons - lack of ornamentations, regional identity and diversification.
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Old February 3rd, 2010, 02:33 PM   #145
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The Crusader's castles are impressive in size, but somehow they fail to amaze me in a similar way Britain castles do. For similar reasons - lack of ornamentations, regional identity and diversification.
You are so ignorant.

Britain has lots of castles with 'ornamentations' and as people have explained to you, Britain has a myriad of architectural styles and regional diversity.

Infact, of the pictures posted in this thread, the British pictures are the most diverse. You are WRONG in your assumptions regarding architecture in Britian and it is sad that you would continue to talk lies when several people have tried to educate you.

I personally think you have an inferiority complex regarding Britain and use this thread to make wronful, sinde remarks to somehow try and antagonise people.
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Old February 3rd, 2010, 02:38 PM   #146
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Old February 3rd, 2010, 02:49 PM   #147
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Old February 3rd, 2010, 02:55 PM   #148
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lack of ornamentations
Yet the Himeji castle is almost pure form.
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Old February 3rd, 2010, 02:57 PM   #149
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The Crusader's castles are impressive in size, but somehow they fail to amaze me in a similar way Britain castles do. For similar reasons - lack of ornamentations, regional identity and diversification.
They do have regional identity. Magnificent crusader castles are found throughout the Mediterranean: Malta, Rhodes, Turkey, Syria, etc. Their old sun-soaked stones are very much part of the landscape. They're also the real deal. We're not talking about prissy little youth hostels with an ornamental turret here....
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^ Good examples of how regional identities make central European castles appear diverse, contrary to British
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but I was also impressed by Trinity Lavra
It could impress by its exotic appeal - but if you seriously get into Russian architecture, major flaws of latter alterations would become obvious. I would consider inter-european recognition as an indicator of how universal is the appeal of a certain castle is. The most famous Russian castle is not Trinity Lavra but the Novodevichy Convent (note: technically, not a castle as it wasn't meant to withstand long sieges, but for the argument's sake let's count it anyway).
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Old February 3rd, 2010, 05:13 PM   #154
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^ Good examples of how regional identities make central European castles appear diverse, contrary to British
They all look in a similar style to me. Do you have any proper military castles in Germany or not? I mean with proper original battlements, machiolations, portcullis, etc??
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I personally think you have an inferiority complex regarding Britain and use this thread to make wrongful, snide remarks to somehow try and antagonise people.
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It could impress by its exotic appeal - but if you seriously get into Russian architecture, major flaws of latter alterations would become obvious. I would consider inter-european recognition as an indicator of how universal is the appeal of a certain castle is. The most famous Russian castle is not Trinity Lavra but the Novodevichy Convent (note: technically, not a castle as it wasn't meant to withstand long sieges, but for the argument's sake let's count it anyway).
That may be a finer example, but it still has a mix of styles, and that's what you criticised relative to Himeji.
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^ Good examples of how regional identities make central European castles appear diverse, contrary to British
'British' isn't diverse? Are you saying that celtic Ireland and Scotland in medieval times were the same as say south east English castle? Or that south-east English castles were the same as northern English castles or Welsh castles?

It's a bit much to right off all these castles as the same, they are all different and similar in the same way as German castles are. I could just as easily dismiss all German castles as feminine chocolate box jokes.
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That may be a finer example, but it still has a mix of styles
Only one major building - the cathedral - is of different style.
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Old February 3rd, 2010, 05:48 PM   #159
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^ Good examples of how regional identities make central European castles appear diverse, contrary to British
You go for that "village" look in your castles, don't you, as in your towns and cities. It matches the "peasant" mentality of some of their inhabitants?

However thank you for providing so much educational background about my own heritage. I never really understood British architecture until you illuminated it for me.


Here are some more of our crappy 2nd-rate British castles. Note that all below are in identical style. Note how Arundel, the first, does not "belong" in its local landscape:

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Hever Castle in Kent. By the way those Tudor chimneys are not decorated and do not represent a stylistic intervention or modification. I know because Erbse said so.

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Anyone remember their Macbeth? Do the names of "Glamis" and "Cawdor" ring any bells? Here they are! Starting with Cawdor Castle:

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Glamis Castle, which as Erbse has helpfully informed us, is not in a local Scottish style, nor does it vary from Norman-style Arundel above.

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Note the total lack of ornamentation that Erbse has told us typifies all British castles:

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I could just as easily dismiss all German castles as feminine chocolate box jokes.
You said it....
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