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Old March 13th, 2007, 02:33 AM   #101
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Madrid's Metro is well equipped to attract business and population growth for far into the future. "If you build it they will come" is an expression long forgotten by governments when it comes to transport. Usually it's done the other way around these days Atleast Madrid got it right.

Could anyone explain to me why the Madrid Metro is much cheaper too construct than other cities mentioned in a previous post above??? Just doesn't make sense why other prosperous cities can't construct at the same pace???
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Old March 13th, 2007, 06:05 AM   #102
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I wish U.S cities would build their metros as fast as Madrid's.
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Old March 14th, 2007, 11:06 AM   #103
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Razones del éxito de la ampliación

Reasons of MADRID "Success" (?)


· 1.- Decisiones en 24 horas.

· 1.- Decisions in 24 hours.


· 2.- Realización del proyecto a cargo de Metro.

· 2.- Project management done by ourselves.


· 3.- Selección de los métodos constructivos más adecuados.

· 3.- Selection of construction methods.


· 4.- Resolver los problemas antes de que aparezcan.

· 4.- Solve disputes before they arise.


· 5.- Seguridad antesque coste o plazos.

· 5.- Safety before cost and time.


· 6.- Tuneladoras potentes.

( 25% más potentes que cualesquiera otras en el mundo)

· 6.- Extremely powerful tunnelling machines.


By Metro de Madrid
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Old March 14th, 2007, 02:07 PM   #104
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How about Madrid's next 'four year plan' (2007-2011)? Is there already some info about that? The current expansion plan is due to end this year - I suppose plans for further extensions have already been decided upon.
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Old March 15th, 2007, 09:59 PM   #105
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nodoby knows nothing about 2007-2011, but next week they are starting a new station for 2007-2011. in line 11. hehehe. everybody think madrid will make about 60km 2007-2011.......we will know in some weeks.......we have got elections in May.....so.....all political parties will tell us their plans
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Old March 18th, 2007, 04:22 AM   #106
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Razones del éxito de la ampliación

Reasons of MADRID "Success" (?)


· 1.- Decisiones en 24 horas.

· 1.- Decisions in 24 hours.


· 2.- Realización del proyecto a cargo de Metro.

· 2.- Project management done by ourselves.


· 3.- Selección de los métodos constructivos más adecuados.

· 3.- Selection of construction methods.


· 4.- Resolver los problemas antes de que aparezcan.

· 4.- Solve disputes before they arise.


· 5.- Seguridad antesque coste o plazos.

· 5.- Safety before cost and time.


· 6.- Tuneladoras potentes.

( 25% más potentes que cualesquiera otras en el mundo)

· 6.- Extremely powerful tunnelling machines.


By Metro de Madrid
I will spread the word
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Old March 18th, 2007, 01:36 PM   #107
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Please Madrid take over London underground... I'm green with envy!

It infuriates me that the 11-station Jubilee Line extension cost us 6 billion Euros 8 years ago, and yet you pulled off these world-leading developments for just 4 billion. London is one of the richest cities in one of the richest regions on the planet, and we can't even find the money for 200m of track to extend the Metropolitan Line to Watford Junction. Kudos to Madrid, anyway

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Old March 18th, 2007, 01:47 PM   #108
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I wouldn't be surprised if ground prices were much lower in Madrid than in London. Also, I don't really have the impression that there are that many public hearings to find out what the local population might think about a new project, let alone that there are powerful NIMBY-factions in Madrid that can hold these projects back for years and years to come.

Madrid - it seems - just builds. That can save you a helluva lotta money...
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Old March 18th, 2007, 01:55 PM   #109
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I wouldn't be surprised if ground prices were much lower in Madrid than in London. Also, I don't really have the impression that there are that many public hearings to find out what the local population might think about a new project, let alone that there are powerful NIMBY-factions in Madrid that can hold these projects back for years and years to come.

Madrid - it seems - just builds. That can save you a helluva lotta money...
Yes the trouble with London and a lot of other cities seems to be we love the consultation / planning stage so much that we spend decades and millions of pounds talking about of it before the first bit of soil is even dug (e.g. Crossrail). Just plan it, then build it for Christ's sake!!! Why does it need to take 10, 15 or 20 years?

There is always going to be opposition to anything, but we're talking about underground railways here, not bulldozing forests for housing or chucking up 300m skyscrapers next to cathedrals.

Go Madrid, anyway
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Old March 18th, 2007, 02:37 PM   #110
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Madrid's projects are truly amazing like its major Sir Gallardon
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Old March 18th, 2007, 03:30 PM   #111
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The success of Madrid is born of simplicity whereupon the entire project considered. Simple and practical stations, just as the tunnels and the movable material. Previous the direct one of Meter is a great admirer of the Japanese, which without a doubt has the best meter and railroad of the world. For the development of the extensions of Meter, also other works in Meters of the world studied, to avoid the errors in which they could fall and not repeat them. The success was so that the World Bank chose to Meter of Madrid like example for the performances that it subsidized in the future.
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Old March 18th, 2007, 03:51 PM   #112
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You probably meant 'Metro' instead of 'Meter'...

That notwithstanding, keeping things simple and learning from the mistakes of others is always the best solution to get good results for a relatively cheap price.
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Old March 18th, 2007, 07:02 PM   #113
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nodoby knows nothing about 2007-2011, but next week they are starting a new station for 2007-2011. in line 11. hehehe. everybody think madrid will make about 60km 2007-2011.......we will know in some weeks.......we have got elections in May.....so.....all political parties will tell us their plans
And we're waiting...


Saludos from a Metro de Madrid fan in Scandinavia.
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Old March 18th, 2007, 07:25 PM   #114
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Alrighty...but those are plans, not signed-for projects that'll be underway by next year. Anyway, it'd be amazing to see new construction start in '08.
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Old March 19th, 2007, 12:33 AM   #115
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I have assisted to some conferences of Metro de Madrid. In that the methodology was explained that had used for the extension, and is really spectacular the way in which they work. Beginning by the obsession by the security and simplicity, but without fear to make things new. The use of the awkward people has been key, along with the knowledge of the terrain. In Madrid the use of the Austrian method in the construction of tunnels and the use of mole with the open front was prohibited. The stations are all equal, follow he himself scheme, I hope to be able some photos. They are maked from the outside with screens, and the hollow is used to put and to remove the awkward people. Thus ample stations are obtained, and to little depth of the surface. If you want some detail of the Metro de Madrid I can look for it.



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Old March 19th, 2007, 12:42 AM   #116
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That explains a lot. I can't make any coffee from your rather Shakespearean poetry...
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Old March 19th, 2007, 12:46 AM   #117
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That explains a lot. I can't make any coffee from your rather Shakespearean poetry...
Sorry, but my English is very bad

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Old March 19th, 2007, 12:55 AM   #118
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That's all right. My Spanish, in return, sucks big time as well...
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Old March 21st, 2007, 12:02 PM   #119
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What a great Metro system, sexy stations.

Doesn't Madrid have a history of great architecture? I've never been, but from pictures I've seen it seems that pretty much every building there is good. I'm glad Madrid has put so much money/effort into creating a great public transport system.
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Old April 1st, 2007, 01:44 PM   #120
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