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Old December 4th, 2011, 04:09 AM   #41
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Among the great stadium in england. I hope the club will fill the gap between the tier. But i wish liverpool will build new Stadium soon.
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Old December 6th, 2011, 05:19 PM   #42
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I don't want a new stadium. Just expand it
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Old December 6th, 2011, 08:35 PM   #43
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Like what? Have you actually seen many of the stadiums in england?This is one of the best there is.

Clubs in Britain dont get hands out from the local authorities for stadiums such as those in france.
your definitions of "best" should be modified if you travel at least to London.

Villa park is the past. no one wants to make stadium like this today. outdated and nothing an architect would want to reproduce today.
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Old December 6th, 2011, 08:44 PM   #44
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I don't want a new stadium. Just expand it
Yeah, and that's exactly what they'll do in time. Villa Park is certainly a classic.
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Old December 6th, 2011, 10:27 PM   #45
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your definitions of "best" should be modified if you travel at least to London.

Villa park is the past. no one wants to make stadium like this today. outdated and nothing an architect would want to reproduce today.
And that is excactly what makes it so stand out among the crowd as one of the great classic stadiums in modern football!
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Old December 6th, 2011, 11:57 PM   #46
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Ok classic but nothing for the 21st century we live.

This type of structures should disapear to let the place for new modern arenas
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Old December 7th, 2011, 12:29 AM   #47
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The fact that no architect would do it like that these days is an irrelevence. Villa Park is a classic English football stadium. Just because we live in the 21st century doesn't mean everything from the last century no longer has relevence or worth. Besides, let's look at the facts...

There are three main reasons for a new-build:

1. Expansion is not physically possible.
2. The stadium isn't making enough money and, related to this, stadium naming rights are more profitable on a new-build.
3. The existing stadium is beyond repair.

In Villa's case they've had planning permission for years to increase capacity so point 1 is moot (and Villa Park doesn't often sell-out as it is anyway). Point 3 is not relevent. Point 2 is also not really relevent to Villa. They may want to gain extra money from corporates like Arsenal have done, but they're not going to build a stadium with a much bigger capacity than Villa Park if they go for a new-build, so their income per match wouldn't increase quite as substantially as Arsenal's did when they moved from Highbury to the Emirates. It's questionable whether it'd be worth it.

Much better on all counts to renovate their existing ground.

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Old December 7th, 2011, 12:39 AM   #48
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Ok classic but nothing for the 21st century we live.

This type of structures should disapear to let the place for new modern arenas
Why? Do you actually have a reason?

Unless a stadium is unfit for the purpose expansion and renovation will always always always be preferred over new stadiums. Only an idiot would say otherwise.
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Old December 7th, 2011, 12:49 AM   #49
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Ok classic but nothing for the 21st century we live.

This type of structures should disapear to let the place for new modern arenas
Quit yo jibba jabba.
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Old December 7th, 2011, 01:46 AM   #50
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Why? Do you actually have a reason?

Unless a stadium is unfit for the purpose expansion and renovation will always always always be preferred over new stadiums. Only an idiot would say otherwise.
Give me in pounds their commercial number (vip,catering etc...) in this stadium.

With a whole new stadium they wouldn't have necesarly more spectators but they would make them buy much more in the new complex like Arsenal did with emirates.

Emirates is not only a staium but a center of conferences etc...
Just look the renders of New hart line tottenham

That's the new design for a stadium when comes the question of money.

That's why i say "this " can't be reproduced today because a stadiums costs a lot and its aims is to make £££££!
It's not relevant to continue to have those ugly angles that are the past.

You need in a new stadium whatever the shape you choose for it:
- comercial parts
-business belt
-surrounding large place to enhance the circulation

This is the 21st century we are living!

Just look everywhere when a stadium is built:

women & children come in a larger number and they need to buy foods,drinks etc... like in germany.

It is the reality today
This stadium is the past.
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Old December 7th, 2011, 03:26 AM   #51
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Hence the reason Villa Park incorporates all of this:

http://www.avhe.co.uk/
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Old December 7th, 2011, 01:43 PM   #52
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Give me in pounds their commercial number (vip,catering etc...) in this stadium.
So corporate revenue generation is your idea of 21st century progress. Got it.

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With a whole new stadium they wouldn't have necesarly more spectators but they would make them buy much more in the new complex like Arsenal did with emirates.

Emirates is not only a staium but a center of conferences etc...
Just look the renders of New hart line tottenham

That's the new design for a stadium when comes the question of money.

That's why i say "this " can't be reproduced today because a stadiums costs a lot and its aims is to make £££££!
It's not relevant to continue to have those ugly angles that are the past.

You need in a new stadium whatever the shape you choose for it:
- comercial parts
-business belt
1. Why do you think that Villa park doesn't already have "commercial parts" and a "business belt"? It clearly does as illustrated by RMB2007.

2. Why are you comparing Aston Villa and Arsenal? Villa don't play in London they play in Birmingham. They don't have the market to leverage the same corporate numbers as Arsenal (not even Man United do). Only Spurs and Chelsea can because they play in London. Clubs have to tailor their stadium to their own needs not copy others FFS.

3. WTF is New hart line

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-surrounding large place to enhance the circulation

This is the 21st century we are living!

Just look everywhere when a stadium is built:

women & children come in a larger number and they need to buy foods,drinks etc... like in germany.
And what makes you think they can't do so a Villa Park? The oldest stand in the stadium is from 1977, and this is the stand that they want to rebuild. This isn't Goodison Park FFS.

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This stadium is the past.

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Old December 7th, 2011, 03:20 PM   #53
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Ok classic but nothing for the 21st century we live.

This type of structures should disapear to let the place for new modern arenas
Ok, but lets start with the Eifel Tower
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Old December 7th, 2011, 06:37 PM   #54
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noooooo! never this one!

RMB-> thank you it's better than what i thought but let me imagine there will be more loundges in a whole new project

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Old December 9th, 2011, 01:35 AM   #55
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Villa Park is a great stadium, the Holte End is a truly impressive site, i'd take a Villa Park over Emirates any day.
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Old December 9th, 2011, 08:06 AM   #56
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Villa Park is a great stadium, the Holte End is a truly impressive site, i'd take a Villa Park over Emirates any day.
Wouldn't go that far.

One thing I would like to see at Villa Park is same coloured seating. That purple/maroon colour would look really nice if it was applied everywhere.
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Old December 9th, 2011, 07:46 PM   #57
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Wouldn't go that far.

One thing I would like to see at Villa Park is same coloured seating. That purple/maroon colour would look really nice if it was applied everywhere.
It's a proper football ground, not a corporate stadium. The coloured seating scheme is applied throughout the stadium, so i don't understand what you mean there.
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Old December 9th, 2011, 09:49 PM   #58
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I thought what I meant was pretty obvious, doesn't really need any further explanation
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Old December 9th, 2011, 11:01 PM   #59
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I don't understand what you mean because the stadiums seating colour scheme is applied throughout all four stands. With the light blue seats on the first tier and the maroon colour on the second/third tier/s. If you mean all seats should be purple i disagree, that would look crap, VP's colour scheme actually looks really good when you're inside the ground.

Villa Park (All Four Stands)
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Holte End during the 1966 World Cup.

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