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Old June 26th, 2016, 09:19 AM   #2021
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Crossrail construction has EU fundings? Or the construction is only paid by UK government?
It is funded fully by UK goverment
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Old June 26th, 2016, 06:59 PM   #2022
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It is funded fully by UK goverment
I thought that there were some EU grants. CR1 is too far advanced to have any difficulty now anyways. CR2 on the other hand....
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Old June 26th, 2016, 08:20 PM   #2023
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I thought that there were some EU grants. CR1 is too far advanced to have any difficulty now anyways. CR2 on the other hand....
Actually, in the beginning of this BBC documentary, Crossrail official said about funding. See at 3:59:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42-lJ2y6ddQ

Also see here about funding:
http://www.crossrail.co.uk/about-us/funding
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Old June 27th, 2016, 07:08 AM   #2024
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The funding may all come form the UK, but surely any major new infrastructure projects would be potentially under threat if the economy goes back into recession as so many economists predict?

I doubt things are going to be easy for the UK over the next several years as it literally has to renegotiate trade deals with the rest of planet Earth from scratch, and I can't imagine the EU making many concessions now in that regard.
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Old June 28th, 2016, 12:43 AM   #2025
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First part of new London Bridge station opens

More than 240 staff have moved to new station offices at London Bridge; the first part of the new station to come into use.

The new offices include control room and Network Rail says this is the first piece of the new station to enter operational use. The first half of the new concourse opens in August. The station is due to be completed in 2018.

Network Rail station manager Denis Kirk said: “For the first time at this station we now share a single office with our colleagues from the train operators. Video screens mean the shift station manager now has a perfect view of the concourse, which means we’re no longer so reliant on radios. Everyone is right there with you and gives you an immediate response when needed.”
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Old June 28th, 2016, 01:03 AM   #2026
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I thought that there were some EU grants.
There was a £1bn loan from the EU's bank the EIB in 2009.
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CR2 on the other hand....
Don't we now have £350m a week to spend on whatever we want when the process is complete?

And if the doomsayers* are right, then CR2 won't be needed anyway as all the jobs would be in Paris, Frankfurt, etc and so demand for the tube and new housing would be less.


More seriously, the UK government's interest rate on loans fell a tiny bit and the UK can now borrow money with the interest rate of just over 1% lasting for 10 years and slightly increasing after that. Our credit rating is at the second highest level possible, despite being downgraded - we're still worth loaning to. And TfL's position is probably better than the Government's.


*Whose prophetic (or should that be profitic? someone's made a killing on all this fluctuation and uncertainty!) utterances are of the self-fulling kind: if you say the pound will fall if Leave wins then when the odds swing, as they did when Sunderland's results came in, then people who believe the doom start selling and not buying pounds and thus the price falls because people think the price will fall and thus are selling before it falls too far/waiting until it falls lower to buy and you get the cliff of the small hours of Friday.
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Old June 28th, 2016, 01:34 AM   #2027
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The funding may all come form the UK, but surely any major new infrastructure projects would be potentially under threat if the economy goes back into recession as so many economists predict?
Crossrail got approval in a recession.

And I don't think it was that many economists: the scary statistic of 90% (or whatever) was merely the proportion of those who responded to a request by StrongerIn, which was not that high (about 20% of those asked to respond, IIRC).

Nor that the recession was to be that bad: the predicted recession was for a middle case (yes, the worse one would be worse) and was (almost suspiciously) conveniently the minimum definition of a recession: 4 consecutive quarters of -0.1% growth. The better case scenario's figures were never published.

Nor does it seem to have been a genuine unbiased prediction - Lord King, the former Governor of the BoE condemned the Treasury's exaggerated claims today.
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Crossrail 2: four homes hotspots from Clapham to Enfield on London's new £27 billion north-south train line - set to launch in 2030

Get ready for Crossrail — that’s Crossrail 2, a new north-south route through London that will trigger the building of 200,000 new homes. The £27 billion project is now taking shape after being approved by the Government in the spring Budget.

Transport strategists have revealed that the line will run from Hertfordshire to Surrey through the heart of the capital, connecting with the suburban railway network and the Tube system.

There will be new tunnels between Tottenham Hale and Wimbledon, together with several new stations, including — contentiously — one at King’s Road in Chelsea.

Whereas the purpose of Crossrail 1, the east-west link scheduled to open in 2018, is to serve business districts, Crossrail 2 will unlock land mainly for housing, particularly in north London and the Upper Lea Valley on the city’s north-east fringe.

Priority zones for entire new neighbourhoods have been designated around new stations such as at Meridian Water in Enfield, and many of the new properties will be built sooner rather than later, during the next three to five years.

Linking homes to jobs

Connecting people’s homes with places where the jobs are is a well-tested strategy begun during the first great railway era a century ago when so-called “ribbon development” along new commuter lines between central London and the home counties created suburbs and the geographical entity dubbed “Metro-Land”.

As with Crossrail 1, which continues to cause property ripples along its route, Crossrail 2 will create opportunites and substantial changes in some areas.

And though this new link will not be complete until 2030, estate agents predict it will quickly become embedded in buyers’ minds, influencing their decision-making. So if you want to reap rewards, study the map and get to grips with this major transport upgrade.

Crossrail 2’s route through London will be via Waltham Cross, New Southgate, Seven Sisters, Angel, Euston and Victoria. A spur through Hackney to Dalston is likely and the line will intersect with Crossrail 1 at Tottenham Court Road, transforming this station into a mega transport hub.

After Chelsea, the line will cross the Thames to Clapham Junction. Balham or Tooting Broadway will be a Crossrail 2 station, ending the area’s overdependency on the Northern line. From Wimbledon, the line will branch off to four Surrey stations: Epsom, Shepperton, Hampton Court and Chessington South.

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Crossrail got approval in a recession.

And I don't think it was that many economists: the scary statistic of 90% (or whatever) was merely the proportion of those who responded to a request by StrongerIn, which was not that high (about 20% of those asked to respond, IIRC).

Nor that the recession was to be that bad: the predicted recession was for a middle case (yes, the worse one would be worse) and was (almost suspiciously) conveniently the minimum definition of a recession: 4 consecutive quarters of -0.1% growth. The better case scenario's figures were never published.

Nor does it seem to have been a genuine unbiased prediction - Lord King, the former Governor of the BoE condemned the Treasury's exaggerated claims today.
I sincerely hope you're right. I for one would be appalled if such important infrastructure projects got canned. Unfortunately politicians don't always use joined up thinking when it comes to investment and too often have a rather warped view of what constitutes value for money.
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East London Overground network to partially close to allow for Crossrail works



Some east London Overground services are to close to allow work to continue at Whitechapel station in preparation for the Elizabeth line.

TfL has informed commuters that there will be partial closure of various lines between Saturday, July 30 and Sunday, August 7.

The Highbury and Islington to Shadwell service will be closed for the whole period while Surrey Quays to New Cross will close from Monday, August 1 to Friday, August 5.

There will also be no trains between Surrey Quays and Clapham Junction on Saturday, July 30 to Sunday, July 31 and Saturday, August 6 to Sunday, August 7.

London Overground director Mike Stubbs said: “We have worked closely with Crossrail Limited to ensure that the work impacts on as few journeys as possible and take place during a quieter period on the network, when schools are on their summer break.”

The Elizabeth line, due for completion in 2018, will add up to 24 trains an hour in each direction, providing frequent services to Heathrow, Paddington, the West End and Canary Wharf.
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Crossrail’s concrete progress continues under London

The £14.8billion Crossrail project is forging ahead and tracks have now been laid under London and the final fitting out phase is underway. The project has released pictures of London’s new railway and how the track has been laid.

Crossrail new trains one year away!

Crossrail says that it expects the new Class 345 Bombardier trains to enter service in under a year starting in May 2017 between Liverpool Street (Main Line platforms) to Shenfield. A year later between Heathrow and Paddington (Main Line platforms).

December 2018 trains will run between Paddington through the tunnels to Abbey Wood. Then from May 2019 between Paddington through London to Shenfield followed in December 2019 by the full service linking Reading, Shenfield and Abbey Wood.

Crossrail 2

While Crossrail 1 enters its final phase, Crossrail 2 development work is now well underway and details on a consultation have just been released. Crossrail 2 proposes to connect with the National Rail network serving destinations as far apart as Broxbourne, Epsom, Chessington South, Hampton Court and Shepperton.

The scheme will need a new tunnel under London through central London between Wimbledon, Tottenham Hale and New Southgate. It will relieve pressure on the transport network across London and the South East, enabling 270,000 more people to enter central London every morning at peak time, and will drive the development of 200,000 homes and 200,000 new jobs.

Transport for London (TfL) and Network Rail (NR) are working with the Department for Transport (DfT) to develop Crossrail 2 ahead of the next round of public consultation expected to take place this autumn. Subject to delivering on key recommendations made from the National Infrastructure Commission, a Hybrid Bill could be submitted in 2019 which could enable construction starting in the early 2020s, with the first Crossrail 2 service running in 2033.‎

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More update and news from Crossrail/Elizabeth line project.



The YouTube channel the video is from is very informative and breaks down some of the work that is going into the project.
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I've got a question about Euston Station:

I've noticed that they never announce the platform number until just before the train leaves, so despite the fact that the train has arrived and is sitting at the platform for a while, the passengers are all hundled up at the main hall and wait for the platform number, at which when it arrives there is a mass rush to the train.

Does anyone know the reasons for this as i haven't seen it anywhere else in the world (which makes it odd that they are choosing to do such an unusual method) and that it seems to unpractical.

Of note, it is possible to board the train early if you have young kids, as you can register somehow and they will text you as to what platform the train is long before they officially do it.
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I'd guess that's due to them wanting to give time for staff to clean the train (i.e. pick up litter, empty trashbins and so on). Or are the platforms so narrow that if a trainload is waiting for the train on one side to open for boarding that when the train on the other track empties the platform would get crazy congested?
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I'd guess that's due to them wanting to give time for staff to clean the train (i.e. pick up litter, empty trashbins and so on). Or are the platforms so narrow that if a trainload is waiting for the train on one side to open for boarding that when the train on the other track empties the platform would get crazy congested?
The platforms are rather large and easily can handle both traffic flows as can be seen on picture below (sorry for blurry quality but that's how camera works in semi dungeon conditions). So the solution to this question may lay in ticket gates which oppose to the other stations at Euston are located on specific platform entrances and thus are narrow and get congested when train arrives. But despite that there seems to be some people who know the train pattern and approach trains right after their arrival
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Thanks Swede & Richard_P for the suggestions.

I had thought of those as well, and this is why I don't think that they are the reason:

Cleaning train: Trains need to be cleaned at other stations as well, and it is never done this way. In fact, when I was last on the train from Manchester to Euston last week, a cleaner went through the train on the approach to Euston and cleaned it while it was in motion. So there is no need to clean it again at Euston.

Turnstiles: This is a really good suggestion and I had to think about it for a moment. The problem with this is that it should really have the opposite effect. If a train arrives 20 minutes before departure, allowing people to trickle in over 20 minutes relieves pressure rather than adding it. As it happens, forcing everyone to wait until the last few moments causes a huge rush for the train to grab seats resulting in even more pressure and a crush through the turnstiles.

It really is quite weird.
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