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Old June 12th, 2010, 03:14 AM   #381
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IMO, the biggest problem with LOROL isn't the lack of fully orbital services but poor interchanges.
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Old June 13th, 2010, 12:35 AM   #382
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Old June 14th, 2010, 07:50 PM   #383
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Overground system was a very good idea and they have done an excellent job.
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Old June 19th, 2010, 12:09 AM   #384
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Overground system was a very good idea and they have done an excellent job.
Agree, the stations looks infinitely better now.
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Old June 19th, 2010, 12:16 AM   #385
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Old June 19th, 2010, 01:13 AM   #386
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Sydenham Station - East London Line
This is not the East London line but the London Bridge branch of the Brighton mainline.
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Old June 19th, 2010, 05:39 AM   #387
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Not technically, but it is joined directly to the East London line.
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Old June 19th, 2010, 10:16 AM   #388
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...And those are East London Line trains...
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Old June 19th, 2010, 01:15 PM   #389
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If the government could secure funding, it could rebuild some of the drab, ugly North London Line stations to the standard of the new East London Line stations like Hoxton and Haggerston. Especially since the line will probably become more heavily used in the future, with the Olympics and Stratford City on the easten end. Rebuild stations to:
-a) future-proof the line for future heavy usage (like Jubilee line extension)
-b) make it a more attractive and pleasant line to use
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Old June 20th, 2010, 12:49 AM   #390
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...And those are East London Line trains...
... and Southern trains. There are lots of services on these tracks. It's still the Brighton mainline.
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Old June 20th, 2010, 10:47 AM   #391
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... and Southern trains. There are lots of services on these tracks. It's still the Brighton mainline.
But it's like arguing the toss that Gunnersbury to Richmond isn't part of the District Line... Yes it's the Brighton mainline ex-London Bridge but yes it is now served by LOROL East London Line trains (amongst others), and they now provide the majority of trains on the 'slow' tracks and therefore to all the intermediate stations along the route.

If you could post a photo of a District Line train at Kew Gardens and call it a picture of the District Line, then I don't see why you can't post a photo of a LOROL train at Sydenham and call it a picture of the East London Line.
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Old June 20th, 2010, 05:57 PM   #392
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But it's like arguing the toss that Gunnersbury to Richmond isn't part of the District Line... Yes it's the Brighton mainline ex-London Bridge but yes it is now served by LOROL East London Line trains (amongst others), and they now provide the majority of trains on the 'slow' tracks and therefore to all the intermediate stations along the route.

If you could post a photo of a District Line train at Kew Gardens and call it a picture of the District Line, then I don't see why you can't post a photo of a LOROL train at Sydenham and call it a picture of the East London Line.
Couldn't agree more. It's nice to take a sneaky peek at the new EL line service to West Croydon. Thanks for posting!
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Old June 21st, 2010, 04:19 PM   #393
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If the government could secure funding, it could rebuild some of the drab, ugly North London Line stations to the standard of the new East London Line stations like Hoxton and Haggerston. Especially since the line will probably become more heavily used in the future, with the Olympics and Stratford City on the easten end. Rebuild stations to:
-a) future-proof the line for future heavy usage (like Jubilee line extension)
-b) make it a more attractive and pleasant line to use
Money isn't there for anything extra but there have been significant upgrades on stations between Caledonian Road & Barnsbury and Highbury & Islington.

Any proper upgrade would need to be in tandem with increased frequency and better interchanges to be worthwhile and that's where you hit the biggest problem. To increase frequency would mean separate tracks for freight and passenger services. Dalston Junction to west of Caledonian Road & Barnsbury is now 4-track and this could be extended to Camden Road where ELL trains could terminate and lower frequency NLL trains continue west. Stratford to Dalston Junction requires major redevelopment of the route even if it were to just be frequent passing loops or 3-track sections (which might work for a high frequency service) and Camden Road to Willesden Junction simply can't be made wider than 2 tracks except on approach to the that station.

The current low frequencies don't justify improved interchanges which the NLL is badly in need of. Hackney Central and Hackney downs can have improved connections but there is no interchange with either Northern line branch and the two Camden stations are far apart, an interchange with the Piccadilly would need new stations on both the NLL and the Picc.

It might be possible to redevelop the Camden Market area and have 1-2 extra tracks west to Primrose Hill but AFAIK freight containers stable here regularly. This could mean taking over Euston DC services but not to Richmond unless Willesden Junction is massively redeveloped. A tunnelled section between Maiden Lane (where the lines from Kings X St. Pancras cross the NLL) and Primrose Hill could go under Camden Town station which is supposed to get a redevelopment sometime in future and which could reduce costs of a new station but the overall cost of the new tunnel and station, together with other improvements I mentioned above is going to be a lot even if the benefits are a high frequency service between Stratford and Willesden Junction that interchanges where it should and doesn't go the long way round between Camden and Willesden Junction.
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Old June 21st, 2010, 07:38 PM   #394
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It might be possible to redevelop the Camden Market area and have 1-2 extra tracks west to Primrose Hill but AFAIK freight containers stable here regularly. This could mean taking over Euston DC services but not to Richmond unless Willesden Junction is massively redeveloped. A tunnelled section between Maiden Lane (where the lines from Kings X St. Pancras cross the NLL) and Primrose Hill could go under Camden Town station which is supposed to get a redevelopment sometime in future and which could reduce costs of a new station but the overall cost of the new tunnel and station, together with other improvements I mentioned above is going to be a lot even if the benefits are a high frequency service between Stratford and Willesden Junction that interchanges where it should and doesn't go the long way round between Camden and Willesden Junction.
What a great interchange that would be though at Camden Town? Too bad that it's probably prohibitively expensive...
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Old June 23rd, 2010, 07:08 PM   #395
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Old July 5th, 2010, 08:12 PM   #396
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Old July 12th, 2010, 09:30 PM   #397
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Old July 12th, 2010, 10:39 PM   #398
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London can be proud on its new East London Line and the Overground in general. Only a few years ago it looked like a cheap marketing scheme, but now it has a become a real integrated part of London's transport system!
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Old July 14th, 2010, 06:10 PM   #399
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London can be proud on its new East London Line and the Overground in general. Only a few years ago it looked like a cheap marketing scheme, but now it has a become a real integrated part of London's transport system!
The new East London Line is a great improvement, but why Shoredict High Street is the only station in Zone 1 of that line (apart of Hoxton that it's shared with Zone 2)? To make people pay more?

And it's already scheduled when is the closing of the circle? (Clapham Junction <-> West Croydon/Crystal Palace)
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Old July 15th, 2010, 02:59 AM   #400
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Would it be cost-effective for the Class 378/2 trains to have three doors on the middle two cars?
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