LONDON | Network Rail: Overground, Thameslink, Crossrail

[rheintram]

Originally Posted by sarflonlad

These are the words of a man who has never traveled on LU!

It reaches way in to the 40s+ in temperature during the summer months on LU. The humidity is also insanely high!

I travelled LU several times. But keep in mind how old the tube is. Building standards were different back then. Also the tube has many very small and narrow tunnels and small stairways which limits airflow. Most modern systems are not a/ced (I'm talking about the stations not the trains), yet are built so there is a constant exchange of air, either naturally (through the architecture) or artifcially.

edit: If I'm correct most LU trains are not a/ced. And that's where heat is usually the biggest problem.

[Republica]

Theyll put aircon in the stations for crossrail. They just have to. These tunnels are a long way down compared to a normal metro line and will be very busy. Any problems with heat in stations would be highly embarassing for TfL

[ajw373]

Originally Posted by micro

For all the tourists, Crossrail should have a stop at Oxford Circus.

Well actually Oxford Circus tube will more or less connect with the Bond Street Station as one of the exists is very near. Also it would be stupid to have so many stops so close together.

Besides Cross rail is a commuter line not for tourists or other short trips. For them the tube and the buses will be a much better idea.

[hoosier]

It's great that Crossrail will have a connection to Stratford International and the Eurostar trains. Would it be possible for the Eurostars to transfer to Crossrail from HS1 as part of a future high speed line from London to Birmingham-Manchester-Glasgow?

[sweek]

Originally Posted by hoosier

It's great that Crossrail will have a connection to Stratford International and the Eurostar trains. Would it be possible for the Eurostars to transfer to Crossrail from HS1 as part of a future high speed line from London to Birmingham-Manchester-Glasgow?

Ehh... no. Crossrail will never have anything to do with any sort of high speed line. Long distance high speed trains don't mix well with metro-style frequent services. Crossrail will be pretty much full capacity from the start, with 24 trains per hour through the central section.

[rheintram]

Originally Posted by hoosier

It's great that Crossrail will have a connection to Stratford International and the Eurostar trains. Would it be possible for the Eurostars to transfer to Crossrail from HS1 as part of a future high speed line from London to Birmingham-Manchester-Glasgow?

technically it would be, they are both built according to the same standards, but I don't know if they are actually connected.

[ajw373]

Originally Posted by rheintram

technically it would be, they are both built according to the same standards, but I don't know if they are actually connected.

I don't think there is any connection around Statford from HS1 to the main lines, except maybe through the depot.

If such a link existed it would be a good idea to run some domestic high speed trains through it. But in doing so it would take capacity away from the service it is designed to run, so in many ways it is a waste.

As for Eurostars to the North, the question is why? Once they get out of Paddington how are they expected to get to the North of the Country. Maybe through Oxford, if the line was electrified? Basicly there is no need for them to do that.

[iampuking]

Originally Posted by city_thing

Here's a few pictures...

Canary Wharf



Whitechapel



Tottenham Court Road



Paddington



Bond st


Tunnel sizes


www.crossrail.co.uk has a lot more pictures etc.

Here are some more images, courtesy of MackenzieBlu at flickr.

Ealing Broadway

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Paddington

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Bond Street

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Tottenham Court Road

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Moorgate

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Whitechapel

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Ilford

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3D Station images

Tottenham Court Road

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Moorgate/Liverpool Street - i'm not happy that passengers transferring to the Central line will have to go all the way up to ticket hall level and then back down! Bigger version here.

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Liverpool Street Ticket Hall (Crossrail in blue)



Farringdon/Barbican



Oh yes, and here is an image of a train mock-up for Crossrail, and what do you know; 2 doors!



Heres another one

[Republica]

There must be a reason they are insisting on 2 doors...

[thun]

That's really strange for such a suburb line.
Although I have to admit that the projecy itself is just impressive.

[Gag Halfrunt]

Two doors per side are absolutely standard for British trains on sururban commuter lines.

[cal_t]

Originally Posted by Gag Halfrunt

Two doors per side are absolutely standard for British trains on sururban commuter lines.

We know 2 doors are bare mininum, but the previous poster was wandering why not more than 2 doors?

It comes down to maintenance and costs. Less doors, less wear and tear, less faults. It's a cheap way to cram more seating instead of making it more standing room friendly. An inherited culture from commuting lines where passengers insists on a seat.

The same situation is the same here in Melbourne. People are not willing to see more longitudinal seats, yet they complain about cramped conditions.

[thun]

There must be a reason, obviously.
E. g. 3 doors are standard on German S-bahn trains which run on longer services (up to an hour from start to the centre) without any problems.
Regarding the fact that the system will have to handle huge amounts of traffic and that an extra door wouldn't be much of a problem maintenancewise, why not adding one more?

[cal_t]

Originally Posted by thun

There must be a reason, obviously.
E. g. 3 doors are standard on German S-bahn trains which run on longer services (up to an hour from start to the centre) without any problems.
Regarding the fact that the system will have to handle huge amounts of traffic and that an extra door wouldn't be much of a problem maintenancewise, why not adding one more?

Because, as I have posted, impedes on the need for commuters that want a seat. They don't care whether they get a seat or not, its more the provision of one. The more doors there are, it seems, the less inviting it is for passengers from commuting areas. This is what I've found from observation.

[sweek]

The PED cost would also go up if we went for three doors... I'd still like to see them, though.

[cal_t]

I thought crossrail was to be served by trains of different types from different operators?

[iampuking]

Originally Posted by cal_t

I thought crossrail was to be served by trains of different types from different operators?

Nope. It will be self contained.

[rheintram]

Crossrail will be a hybrid between a commuter and a metro system (similar to S-Bahns), hence I think it would be smarter to go for a more flexible system. Not two doors per coach, but areas with more than two and a lot of standing space - which would mostly be used by inner city users - and coaches with only two doors and mostly seating space. For example the both ends of the trains could be the those with mostly seating and the core parts with more standing space.

[sarflonlad]

Originally Posted by rheintram

Crossrail will be a hybrid between a commuter and a metro system (similar to S-Bahns), hence I think it would be smarter to go for a more flexible system. Not two doors per coach, but areas with more than two and a lot of standing space - which would mostly be used by inner city users - and coaches with only two doors and mostly seating space. For example the both ends of the trains could be the those with mostly seating and the core parts with more standing space.

It's not a hybrid.

It's a commuter train without a central terminus. Something most, but not all, commuter trains have in London. London Termini being one of main reasons tube routes go where they do - to connect them. Crossrail stops people changing on to the tube.

So no, it's not like an S-Bahn. An S-Bahn is more like a metro than a commuter train.

[lightrail]

Originally Posted by sarflonlad

It's not a hybrid.

It's a commuter train without a central terminus. Something most, but not all, commuter trains have in London. London Termini being one of main reasons tube routes go where they do - to connect them. Crossrail stops people changing on to the tube.

So no, it's not like an S-Bahn. An S-Bahn is more like a metro than a commuter train.

Closest thing to Crossrail in the UK is Thameslink through London, the Merseyrail System in Liverpool and the Glasgow Northern Electric "Blue" trains.

Thameslink is a north-south rail system through central London via the SNow Hill Tunnel. Trains run as far south as the South Coast and as far north as Bedford.

Merseyrail Wirral Line has several branches, all converging into the a deep level tube tunnel under central Liverpool; the Northern Line runs north to south in a sub-surface tunnel under central Liverpool.

In Glasgow there are two east-west subsurface lines with electric trains to well outside Glasgow.

And BTW - Crossrail is such a lame name - hopefully, they come up with something more interesting than that.