தமிழ்நாடு வரலாறு - Tamilnadu History Updates & Discussions

[Alphastallion]

Kamal hasan is having the rights for the ponniyen selvan.he could make it as great movie with co operation of SUN Carporation (sun TV).It could be made it sowcause the history of tamils to the world.it could also can be made in Tamil and english only..it can help the peopel to know whomn we are ..where we come from..
Without pride much cant be achieved what ever we have and boast inventions where made by hitlers pride dominated aryan germany..I am not supporting hitler..
but for men to driven into excellence pride is also needed,..

[chidambaram_mech04]

*During the classical period (i.e. Sangam Age) Kongu was under the rule of the Chēra kings and many vēļir chieftains. The society of those times is well represented in the Patiṟṟuppattu and other akam and puṟam anthologies. During that period this region was technologically well advanced and was visited by the traders of the East and West. Evidence suggests that this region was occupied right from Iron Age (1000 BC).



*The Potiṉi hill (Paḻaṉi), the abode of the Tamil God Murukaṉ,is in this region.



*Ayirai, another famous hill of the Chēras mentioned in Patiṟṟuppattu(30,79) as the “Ayirai where dwells the fearful deity” is located in Kongu region.



*Kumaṇaṉ who donated his head for the cause of benevolence and Pēkaṉ, one among the seven great philanthropists of Sangam Age who ruled over the Potiṉi hills of the Kongu region were eulogised by famous Sangam poets Perun͂cittiraṉār and Peruntalai-c-Ca̅ttaṉa̅r.



*Kāmūr (present Kangayam) ruled by Kaḻuvuḷ is mentioned in Akanāṉūṟu and Patiṟṟuppattu. It is situated in Kongu region.



*The Kutiraimalai region ruled by Pittaṅkoṟṟaṉ alluded in Puṟananūṟu(168-172) is situated in Kongu region.



*Poruntil Iḷaṅkīraṉa̅r , a famous Sangam poet is located near Paḻani in Kongu region. Recent excavation conducted by Pondicherry Central University brought out many evidences to attest the flourishing activities of this region in those days. During the excavation, about 2 kgs., of paddy of Sangam Age has been recovered. Large quantities of beads of precious and semi precious stones and glass beads, have been brought out from the excavation, besides evidence for glass bead industry in the habitation mound.



*The Industrial and Trade centre of Koṭumaṇam (present Kodumanal in Erode District), recorded in the Patiṟṟuppattu belongs to the Kongu region. This place was excavated by Tamil University during 1980s. The megalithic burials have yielded many semi precious stone beads, iron implements, brass objects, and potteries with graffiti marks. The excavations in the habitation area yielded evidences for the existence of metal furnaces. Besides, many pottery inscriptions of old Tamil characters (Tamil-Brahmi) dated from the third century B.C. have been obtained.



*Pavaṇanti Aṭikaḷ who wrote the grammar work Naṉṉūl, lived in present Sīṉa̅napuram (Jainapuram) in Kongu region and Aṭiyārkunalla̅r the famous commentator of the Cilappatika̅ram lived in Nirambai which is also situated in Kongu region. The famous Jain work Peruṅkatai was written by the poet Koṅguvēḷ who hailed from Kongu region. The Jain temple of Vijayamangalam indicates the spread of Jainism in Kongu region also.



*In Kongu region there are many megalithic burials of Iron Age found in the form of stone circles and stone heaps. This region was a nodal region for the trade between the East coast ports and West coast ports of Ancient Tamiḻakam. A large number of Roman coins were recovered around Veḷḷalūr, Chāvaṭippāḷaiym, and Pollachi region. In fact, only Kongu region yielded the bulk of Roman coins found in the whole of India. This attests to the fact that Kongu region played an important role in Maritime Trade with Roman world through Palghat Pass in the Sangam Age.



*The famous Tamil-Brahmi inscriptions found at Pukaļūr, near Karūr, corroborate the Sangam evidence relating to the Chēra dynasty. A third century inscription on musical notes is found at Aṟachalūr, which is in Kongu region.



*The excavations in the sites near Coimbatore namely Pērūr and Poluvāmpaṭṭi have brought to light many stone, glass, and shell beads, iron implements, terracotta objects, ear rings, the potteries with the graffiti marks and so on.



*A Punch-marked coin found in Sūlūr near Coimbatore attests to the trade connection between North India and Tamilnadu during the Sangam Age. Distinguished scholar Iravatham Mahadevan is of the view that a symbol found on an old pot at Sūlūr is similar to an Indus Script symbol.



*More than 250 Iron Age and Sangam Age sites have been so far identified in the Kongu region (Old Coimbatore District) by various scholars during their field work.



*It is generally agreed that Karūr Van͂ci (Karūr), the capital of Chēras was situated on the bank of Āṉporunai (present Amarāvati River), which is in the Kongu area.



*The famous port Musiṟi, alluded to in Sangam Literature situated on the West coast of Ancient Tamiḻakam, belonged to the Chēra Kings. Only recently, this port has been discovered and excavated by the Kerala Council for Historical Research. The findings would go to prove the maritime activity of Musiṟi, as noted in Akana̅ṉūṟu (149), which mentions that the ships (from Rome) laden with gold visited the port and returned with pepper. In this excavation, Roman potsherds, gold objects, Chēra coins, Brick structures, Boat wharf and wooden boat of 2200 years old have been unearthed. It may be remembered that this port was the important emporium for exporting the semi precious stone beads of the Kongu area.



*The above evidence suggests the importance of hosting World Classical Tamil Conference at Coimbatore the seat of Kongu region.

http://www.ulakathamizhchemmozhi.org...oimbatore-2010

[ktpathi]

Hello Alphastallion - Good thought and nice initative, I appreciate it...

[ceeznic pirate]

This I got as one of the forward mails a few months before.

* 1 = ONDRU -one
* 10 = PATHU -ten
* 100 = NOORU-hundred
* 1,000 = AAYIRAM-thousand
* 10,000 = PATHTHAYIRAM -ten thousand
* 100,000 = LATCHAM-hundred thousand
* 1,000,000 = PATHU LATCHAM - one million
* 10,000,000 = KODI-ten million
* 100,000,000 = ARPUTHAM-hundred million
* 1,000,000,000 = NIGARPUTHAM- one billion
* 10,000,000,000 = KUMBAM-ten billion
* 100,000,000,000 = KANAM-hundred billion
* 1,000,000,000,000 = KARPAM-one trillion
* 10,000,000,000,000 = NIKARPAM -ten trillion
* 100,000,000,000,000 = PATHUMAM -hundred trillion
* 1,000,000,000,000,000 = SANGGAM -one zillion
* 10,000,000,000,000,000 = VELLAM -ten zillion
* 100,000,000,000,000,000 = ANNIYAM -hundred zillion
* 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 = ARTTAM -?////
* 10,000,000,000,000,000,000 = PARARTTAM -anyboby ?
* 100,000,000,000,000,000,000 = POORIYAM -<>?#%^&
* 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 = MUKKODI -&^*^%^#
* 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 = MAHAYUGAM -????????????????

One of the oldest and greatest languages in the World.

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[mugunthsboa]

Originally Posted by ceeznic pirate

This I got as one of the forward mails a few months before.

* 1 = ONDRU -one
* 10 = PATHU -ten
* 100 = NOORU-hundred
* 1,000 = AAYIRAM-thousand
* 10,000 = PATHTHAYIRAM -ten thousand
* 100,000 = LATCHAM-hundred thousand
* 1,000,000 = PATHU LATCHAM - one million
* 10,000,000 = KODI-ten million
* 100,000,000 = ARPUTHAM-hundred million
* 1,000,000,000 = NIGARPUTHAM- one billion
* 10,000,000,000 = KUMBAM-ten billion
* 100,000,000,000 = KANAM-hundred billion
* 1,000,000,000,000 = KARPAM-one trillion
* 10,000,000,000,000 = NIKARPAM -ten trillion
* 100,000,000,000,000 = PATHUMAM -hundred trillion
* 1,000,000,000,000,000 = SANGGAM -one zillion
* 10,000,000,000,000,000 = VELLAM -ten zillion
* 100,000,000,000,000,000 = ANNIYAM -hundred zillion
* 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 = ARTTAM -?////
* 10,000,000,000,000,000,000 = PARARTTAM -anyboby ?
* 100,000,000,000,000,000,000 = POORIYAM -<>?#%^&
* 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 = MUKKODI -&^*^%^#
* 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 = MAHAYUGAM -????????????????

One of the oldest and greatest languages in the World.

More Info

Awesome dude

[mugunthsboa]

Originally Posted by Arul Murugan

That movie has increased the searching of Tamil history for many! Could be kollywood could cash money if they can make some real historical movie with real facts.

AO was a fantasy movie with one concept that "Pandya kingdom and Chola kingdom use to fight among them" We have to wait and see what fantasy ideas we may see in AO2!

Hey is there an AO2 in production?
I was so fascinated about the movie when they captured the chola foot prints in SEA. I have previously done some research for myself online(incl. Wiki) Was so amazed at the extent of pwoer the tamil rulers exhibited. Almost all of the presetn day Indonesia and parts of Vietnam,Cambodia,Malaysia,Singapore and thailand were ruled by Cholas at their peak.
There are very striking evidences that speak abt influence of cholas and tamils in this region.Singapore had its name from Singapuram named by Srivijaya. Angkorwat is a hindu temple and had once had the sanctums of Ammans.
I had personally noted some highways and streets in northern malaysia and southern thailand called as Jalan/Street after 'Raja Chulan'. There are beaches in singapore and malaysia that are called after pallavas as palawan beach. I was amazed to see a tamil film catching this idea which I was so fascinated about.Good work selva!!

[georgenadar]

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Pamban Bridge -- photo taken by --prabhakaran

The Pamban bridge on the sea of south India of “PALK STRAIT” that is very the old connectivity of Rameswaram island to mainland India.. The name

Pamban Bridge most suitable for both Road and rail bridges. It is the longest sea bridge in INDIA at a length of 2.5 kms and both the bridges stand high

above all the bridges in India by the means of artistic architecture.
Exactly 97 yrs old railway bridge was constructed by a German engineer named SCHERZER with the cost of Indian rupee 20 lakhs and the help of 600

workers.. The rail bridge construction work began in June 1911 and was completed in June 1914.there were no loss of human lives while construction

of the bridge. This is the only connectivity of the island till the road bridge was opened in the year 0f 1988.

But the road bridge construction was originally started in the year of 1971,
Adjoin the very old “cantilever railway bridge” (the center portion of the bridge is openable or in engineering terms one call it “movable” bridge to give a

way, the ships to cross the palk strait.. The road bridge foundation laid by SMT. INDIRA GANDHI and the bridge was completed when Rajeev Gandhi

was prime minister of India.
He inaugurated the bridge for the public use in the year of 1988. The 17 long years was taken to construct the sea – road-bridge and so many

workers died while construct the bridge and also the natural disturbance by storm, cyclone to finish the project on time.

In the recent years the southern railway had converted the so called “meter gauge track” in to “broad gauge track” in the part of their expansion work

of one line connectivity of all over INDIA. it helps to reduce the travel time by hours and also increase the rail traffic all over India.
The railway officials took a high risk adoption of changeover the entire rail track and this time they joined their hands with govt of India STRUCTURAL

ENGINEERING RESEARCH CENTER-CHENNAI and they done it in a record time, without a loss of human life. the entrance of the bridge from both sides

of” Pamban” and “Mandapam” railway station one can feel the strong sea wind as well as see a artistic ,breath taking sea view. The railway officials

initiate all the official works to Include the PAMBAN RAILWAY BRIDGE in the list of world heritage sites of UNESCO..

AND WE HOPE THE BRIDGE COULD FIND THE PLACE IN THE LIST APART FROM THE HUMANS EYES….

[ChennaiIndian]

http://www.hindu.com/2010/03/25/stor...2557610500.htm

CHENNAI: The State Archaeology Department will start work in April at the Rajakkamangalam site in Tirunelveli district where sculptures from the early Pandyan period have been discovered, said T.S. Sridhar, Commissioner, Archaeology and Museums, here on Wednesday.

Presenting some recent archaeological findings in the State at the Sankara Parvathy endowment seminar organised by the Department of Indian History at the University of Madras, Mr. Sridhar said work at Eraniyar Kudiyiruppu, where idols dating to the early Pandyan period had been recovered, would go on for around three months.

He said the department used to work at two sites each year earlier but lack of funds had restricted it to working at one site each year for the last couple of years.

Sathyabhama Badhreenath, Superintending Archaeologist, Archaeological Survey of India, Chennai Circle, made a presentation on the growth and evolution of temples in south India.

She said there was a clear pattern of evolution across dynasties and the Pallava, Chola, Vijayanagar and Nayak periods were clearly distinguishable in temple architecture.

Over time, the temples became more ornate and complex, but some patterns were also frozen as was seen in the idols of the later period which adhered to stricter norms, she said.

Earlier, G. Venkataraman, head of department, Indian History, said the endowment dated back to 1921. He also requested Mr. Sridhar and Ms. Badhreenath to provide opportunities for internships to students of the department.

[Marathaman]

I didn't know where else to put this.

A new temple is coming up in Jogeshwari (Mumbai). Carving work is being done in Karaikudi
http://picasaweb.google.com/purnapra...06261140975986












Video:
http://picasaweb.google.com/purnapra...95999522191506

[jaish]

Originally Posted by ktpathi

Hello Alphastallion - Good thought and nice initative, I appreciate it...

Me too we should proud of we have

[Arul Murugan]

1200 year old Chola inscription found near Trichy



DKN

[satishanu]

wow..great find..they got to preserve it..looks like ariyalur has lot of precious stuff beneath

[dhandapanik]

Something related to Ayirathil oruvan movie
http://karkanirka.wordpress.com/2010.../indra_aaram1/

http://karkanirka.wordpress.com/2010.../indra_aaram2/

http://karkanirka.wordpress.com/2010.../indra_aaram3/

[Arul Murugan]

Indus-like inscription on South Indian pottery from Thailand



Figure 1: The pottery inscription from Thailand with Indus-like symbols, probably on south Indian megalithic pottery.

A fragmentary pottery inscription was found during excavations conducted by the Thai Fine Arts at Phu Khao Thong in Thailand about three years ago. (Dr. Berenice Bellina of the Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique, France, sent me a photograph of the object: Figure 1)

The discovery of a Tamil-Brahmi pottery inscription of about the second century CE at the same site was reported earlier ( The Hindu, July 16, 2006). One can presume that the present inscription is also from the Tamil country and belongs approximately to the same period. The two characters incised on the pottery now reported are not in the Brahmi script. They appear to be graffiti symbols of the type seen on the South Indian megalithic pottery of the Iron Age-Early Historical Period (second century BCE to third century CE).


Figure 2: Megalithic symbol at Sanur in Tamil Nadu (left) and signs in the Indus texts at Kalibangan (right, top) and Harappa (bottom).

What makes the discovery exciting is that the two symbols on the pottery resemble the Indus script, and even the sequence of the pair can be found in the Indus texts, especially those from Harappa.

The symbol looking vaguely like an ‘N' appears to be the same as the Indus signs 47 or 48 (in Figure 3). Professor B.B. Lal, former Director-General of the Archaeological Survey of India, showed that these Indus signs have a remarkable resemblance to the megalithic symbol occurring at Sanur, near Tindivanam, and elsewhere in Tamil Nadu (Figure 2). More recently, the same symbol has turned up on two pottery fragments from Pattanam in Kerala (probably the same as Musiri of the Sangam Age). I have compared the symbols with the Indus signs depicting a seated anthropomorphic deity.

The symbol on the Thai pottery resembles a diamond. It occurs in the Indus script in diamond or oval forms (Signs 261 and 373 in Figure 3).


Figure 3: Indus signs and texts. Note the same sequence of two signs on Thai pottery and miniature tablets from Harappa.

What is extraordinary about the present find is the occurrence of the two symbols on the pottery in the same sequence as found in the Indus texts (see for example texts 4589 and 5265 from Harappa, Figure 3). The Thai pottery has only two symbols. Another symbol might have been lost owing to the fragmentary state of the pottery.

Sequences such as this on the Thai pottery and those reported on the inscribed Neolithic stone axe from Sembiyan Kandiyur and on megalithic pottery from Sulur (near Coimbatore in Tamil Nadu) provide evidence for the survival of the Indus script in South India during the megalithic age, and for the possibility that the languages of the Indus Civilisation and South India belong to the same family, namely Dravidian.

(The sign and text numbers are cited from The Indus Script: Texts, Concordance and Tables, by Iravatham Mahadevan (1977). The author is Honorary Consultant of the Indus Research Centre at Roja Muthiah Research Library in Chennai.)

http://www.hindu.com/2010/04/08/stor...0856602200.htm

[Arasu]

It appears that there is a close connection between ancient Tamil country and the Indus civilisation. Hope, they are able to decipher the symbols one day and understand what they say.

[nangilraams]

nice thread

[satishanu]

Source: http://beta.thehindu.com/news/states...icle396485.ece

[maduraithala]

Originally Posted by ktpathi

We had our golden age when the Medieval and Later Chola like RajaRaja, Rajendra and Kulothunga Cholans were ruling. The temple at Tanjavur and Gangaikonda Cholapuram will speak for itself. Also one of the greatest king to ever rule at least half of India is Raja Raja Cholan. But why he is not promoted like the North Indian kings such as Ashoka? Raja Raja is also an undefeated king like Ashoka and even he has stepped away to give the power to his uncle when he has to become the King and waited for another 15 years to come to the power, no King in any history would have done like him.

Valid point...still not many north-Indians know that an army of Rajendra Chola advanced upto the Ganges and won virtually every kingdom that was on its way...Infact no other Indian empire had its boundaries extended upto the Middle-east countries( Correct me if am wrong)...It is a irony that ASI refused the installation of Raja raja's statue inside the big temple premises....There are a lot of conspiracy theories flying around in this regard...

[Marathaman]

Beautiful 9th-10th century temple - ThiruNageswaran Koil, Kumbakonam.

http://picasaweb.google.com/injamave...lKumbakonamTN#

[Marathaman]

Originally Posted by maduraithala

Valid point...still not many north-Indians know that an army of Rajendra Chola advanced upto the Ganges and won virtually every kingdom that was on its way...Infact no other Indian empire had its boundaries extended upto the Middle-east countries( Correct me if am wrong)...It is a irony that ASI refused the installation of Raja raja's statue inside the big temple premises....There are a lot of conspiracy theories flying around in this regard...

Cholas did not expand upto middle-east. The subjugated kingdoms of eastern India and made them tributary states.

They did create colonies in SE Asia though.