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Old May 19th, 2010, 05:36 PM   #61
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It is a irony that ASI refused the installation of Raja raja's statue inside the big temple premises....There are a lot of conspiracy theories flying around in this regard...
ASI was right in denying the permission to install the statue of imaginary figure of Rajaraja Chola and the politicians name in the pedestral.
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Old May 19th, 2010, 05:38 PM   #62
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Why does one need a statue of RajaRaja there? There is already a portrait of him inside the temple, and it serves no purpose. Its a World Heritage Site, not to be tampered with/modified.
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Over 85 copper plates and twelve bronze icons were found in the Kailasanathar temple in Kazhukanni Muttam in Tiruindalur village here on Thursday in a first-of-its-kind archaeological discovery in Tamil Nadu.

The copper plates — 45-cm long and 20-cm broad — were strung around a two-foot diameter copper ring and forged with the Chola emblem.

An earlier discovery of copper plates was made in Villupuram, says an official of Hindu Regious and Charitable Endowments. The emblem with two fishes fringed by a seated tiger to its left and a bow and arrow to its right and an umbrella indicated that the plates belonged to the Cholas.

The bronze icons include Ganapathy, Appar, Manikavasagar, Thirugnyanasambandhar, Rishabandagar with Amman, Sandikeshwarar, Chandrashekarar with Ammam, Karaikal Ammaiyar with a cymbal, Somaskandar (Lord Shiva with his consort and son), and Valli. The find points to the Chola period of 11th or 12th century AD, says Bala Padhmanaban, special Revenue Inspector, HR&CE. According to him, the Skandha Maalai (the garland over the shoulder of Lord Shiva) pointed to the middle Chola period. Further, the Perumal temple at half a km vicinity of Kailasanathar temple was built in the 11th century and is inscribed to be the contemporary of this temple.

Along with these were worship artefacts such as a guindy, thiruchanam and asaradevar. The rationale for the presence of a Nataraja icon amid the above pantheon was strengthened further with the pieces of broken Thiruvasi (found behind Nataraja idols) being part of the find.

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The copper plates found here are inscribed in Grindam script. Epigraphical study was still under way to trace out Tamil inscriptions in this copper plate ring. According to Mr.Padhmanaban, the earlier discovery of copper plates usually carried grindam inscriptions in the beginning and the end, eulogising the endowing king. They would later carry Tamil inscriptions.

“The area must have been a sathurvedhimangalam (place where learned brahmans were settled by the king) and consequently huge endownments had to be made to support the temple upon which the brahmans depended,” says Mr.Padmanaban. The practice of settling brahmans started with the Pallava period and it continued with the Cholas.

The temple falls under the Parimalaranganathar Devasthanam of the HR&CE and the find came through during excavation works for the construction of the ‘muga mandapam' carried out as part of the temple restoration works. According to archaeologists, the find of 85 copper plates attached to one ring with a two feet diameter is a treasured discovery, both for the temple and archaeology.

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The systematic excavation of Eraniyan Kudiyiruppu on the banks of the Nambiyar river at Rajakkalmangalam near Nanguneri in Tirunelveli district commenced on Thursday.

During the course of informal exploration at Eraniyan Kudiyiruppu, a good number of sculptures from a dilapidated temple belonging to early Pandya period were collected. Some of the sculptures were found with ‘grantha' script.

The invaluable yield of archaeological evidence throws light on the possible existence of a buried temple belonging to early Pandya period (8th to 9th century). The antiquities collected from this spot, particularly sculptures, are now on display for public view at Thirumalai Naicker Mahal Museum, Madurai.

Inaugurating the excavation, Minister for School Education and Archaeology Thangam Thennarasu said that the exercise would be completed within 2 to 3 months and the government had allotted Rs. 2 lakh for the purpose.

The ‘Nambiyar Civilization' should be explored completely, District Collector M. Jayaraman noted.

Minister for Environment, Youth Welfare and Sports T.P.M. Maideen Khan; Principal Secretary and Commissioner, Department of Archaeology, T.S. Sridhar; Tirunelveli MP S.S. Ramasubbu and Radhapuram MLA M. Appavu spoke.

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Cholas had a great tradition of record-keeping on copper plates. Most of these were stored inside temples. Things like land grants, revenue collection etc. etc.
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Can someone please glean some details from this text? I can't read it.

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There is some problem in the page. A message is displayed and the screen gets frozen.

The tamil there uses some uncommon terms used specifically in the architectural/structural design areas.
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Old July 4th, 2010, 03:41 PM   #68
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Agathiyar-Cauvery River mythical story is found as carvings from 12th century near Erode's Chiniyampalaiyam on the bank's of river cauvery



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Medieval chola kings chart

It is interesting to see Kulothunga Cholan is from Chalukya Chola family.

Kulothunga Cholan is born to Rajaraja narendra Telugu Chalukya King and Tamil royal Chola family Ammanga Devi who is Raja raja Cholan's grand daughter. Vimalathithan a Vengi king might be also a Telugu king married to Raja rajan's daughter Kunthavai.

Lot of fusion between Tamil and Telugu family kings right from Raja raja Cholan time.

AP & TN looks to have lot of links through out the time line of the history.

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Old July 18th, 2010, 07:09 AM   #70
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Cholas who had their mother tongue as Telugu and ruled in AP are called 'Telugu Cholas'. I think 'Telugu Cholas' was a term coined by the British archaeologists; not sure though. This is because the core Tamil kingdoms were constituted by Pandyas, Cholas (original Cholas) and Cheras.

There were lots of inter-linguistic marriages between the Cholas in Tamil, Telugu and Kannada (Hoysala) kings at that time. In this regard, the Pandyas were very conservative to the extent that inter-linguistic marriages were less prevalent than amongst Cholas.
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13ம் நூற்றாண்டின் 7 கல்வெட்டுகள் : புதுக்கோ

புதுக்கோட்டை : புதுக்கோட்டை அருகே நடத்தப்பட்ட ஆய்வின் போது, 13ம் நூற்றாண்டைச் சேர்ந்த ஏழு கல்வெட்டுகள் கண்டுபிடிக்கப்பட்டுள்ளன.



புதுக்கோட்டை வரலாற்று பண்பாட்டு ஆய்வு மையத்தின் சார்பில் மாவட்டத்தின் பல்வேறு பகுதிகளில் வரலாற்றுத் தகவல்களை சேகரிக்கும் விதமாக ஆய்வுப் பணிகள் நடந்து வருகிறது. அதன் ஒருபகுதியாக இலுப்பூர் அடுத்த வெள்ளஞ்சார் கிராமத்தில், சிதிலமடைந்து கவனிப்பாரின்றி விடப்பட்ட பழமைவாய்ந்த குலோத்துங்க சோழீச்சுவரம் கோவிலில் நடத்தப்பட்டது. ஆய்வின் போது 13ம் நூற்றாண்டைச் சேர்ந்த திரிபுவன சக்கரவர்த்தி சுந்தர பாண்டியன் காலத்து கல்வெட்டுகள்(1212-1239ம் ஆண்டு) இரண்டு, இரண்டாம் சடையவர்மன் குலசேகர பாண்டியன் காலத்து கல்வெட்டுகள் (1237ம் ஆண்டு) இரண்டு, வீரபாண்டியன் காலத்து கல்வெட்டுகள் (1253-1274ம் ஆண்டு) இரண்டு, விஜயநகர நாயக்கர் காலத்து கல்வெட்டு ஒன்று என ஏழு கல்வெட்டுகள் கண்டுபிடிக்கப்பட்டன. இதன்மூலம் வெள்ளஞ்சார் குலோத்துங்க சோழீச்சுவரம் கோவில் 12ம் நூற்றாண்டில் குலோத்துங்க சோழன் காலத்தில் எழுப்பியது. பின்னர் இக்கோவிலில் 13ம் நூற்றாண்டில் பாண்டிய மன்னர்கள் திருப்பணிகள் செய்து புதுப்பித்துள்ளது தெரியவந்தது.



இக்கோவிலுக்கு வெள்ளஞ் சார் கிராமத்தில் வாழ்ந்த வணிகர்கள், விவசாய பெருங்குடி மக்கள், செல்வந்தர்கள், தேவகன்மியர்கள் ஆகியோர் ஏராளமான நிலங்களை தானமாக வழங்கியது. பாண்டிய மன்னர் இரண்டாம் சடையவர்மன் குலசேகர பாண்டியன் இப்பகுதியில் 1237ம் ஆண்டு முதல் ஆட்சி புரிந்தது உள்ளிட்ட தகவலும் தெரிய வந்துள்ளது. இவை இம்மாவட்டத்தின் வரலாற்று மேலாய்வுக்கு பயனளிப்பதாக உள்ளதாக ஆய்வு மைய தலைவர் டாக்டர் ராஜாமுகம்மது தெரிவித்துள்ளார்.
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Arul - The diagram you have provided is explains Chola hierarchy well.


The information on stone evidence indicates the regaining strength of Pandiyans. But I also believe that we would have been better-off under Cholas, because at that time the Cholas were ruling nearly 3 centuries and must have well planned and organized stuff. But due to Pandiyan invasion they have lost and later are the history that Tamils were never ruled by Tamils again apart from recent political stuffs.
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All great empires come to an end - Romans, Ottoman, or the British. Cholas are no exception.

What is exceptional about them is that they had been ruling parts/all of Tamilnadu from the dawn of history all the way to the 13 th century AD with brief interregnum.
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All great empires come to an end - Romans, Ottoman, or the British. Cholas are no exception.

What is exceptional about them is that they had been ruling parts/all of Tamilnadu from the dawn of history all the way to the 13 th century AD with brief interregnum.
Compared to Pandiyas and Cheras, Cholas ruled TN(i think including KL) for more time.
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Compared to Pandiyas and Cheras, Cholas ruled TN(i think including KL) for more time.
Not only Tamilnadu and kerala, they ruled entire south india and their border ends before Maharashtra in north and in east they were till indonesia. When compare to Cheras and Pandiyas, Cholas were the strongest among them and they are famous for architects. Thus the result ended in Tanjore temple, the great architectural site in india. Most of the old temples in india were built by cholas.
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Not only Tamilnadu and kerala, they ruled entire south india and their border ends before Maharashtra in north and in east they were till indonesia. When compare to Cheras and Pandiyas, Cholas were the strongest among them and they are famous for architects. Thus the result ended in Tanjore temple, the great architectural site in india. Most of the old temples in india were built by cholas.
Yes.. GangaikondaCholapuram is also best. I havent visited Airavateeswarar temple. Along with Tanjore temple, these 2 are listed in UNESCO world heritage sites with name "The great Chola temples".
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13 panchaloha idols unearthed in Tamil Nadu

Thirteen panchaloha idols were unearthed at a private land in the famous pilgrim centre of Vailankanni in Nagapattinam district today.

Official sources said that the idols, two to three feet tall, included those of Lord Nataraja, Vinayaka (Lord Ganesh) and other deities. A few decorative items were also unearthed along with the idols.

The land belonged to Michaelswamy, head master of a primary school, who had commenced construction works there, and the workers while digging heard a metallic sound and informed him. Revenue and police officials were then informed.

Nagapattinam district collector C Munianathan said the district administration had informed the archaeological department about the find.

The collector said 13 panchaloha idols and 86 copper plates were unearthed three months back while renovation works were undertaken at the ancient Kamakshi Amman Samedha Kailasanathar temple at Kazhukkanimuttam village near Mayiladuthurai.

"The Kazhukkanimuttam findings proved to be one of the most exciting findings in recent times providing information about the Chola dynasty and the government had displayed them in the World Classical Tamil Conference held at Coimbatore (in June). Against this backdrop, the Vailankanni findings also assume importance," he said.

A large number of people visited the site at Vailankanni, and offered floral worship. The idols are now kept at the Nagapattinam taluka office.

The Basilica of Our Lady of Good Health is located at Vailankkani.

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What is the brown encrustation? Is that soil or corrosion?

Also, any info on the situation of the idols when they were found? Were they buried on purpose?
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