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Old May 8th, 2005, 07:52 AM   #1
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Philadelphia to Resume Rebuilding El

SEPTA to resume rebuilding of El
By Jere Downs, The Philadelphia Inquirer
6 May 2005

May 6--Despite uncertainty over who will pay for a $74 million disputed contract, SEPTA will resume rebuilding of the Market-Frankford El in West Philadelphia -- construction that will bring major disruptions to riders and residents.

Next month, SEPTA will hire a replacement contractor to finish work on the western end of the $567 million project to rebuild the century-old elevated train line, SEPTA general manager Faye Moore said yesterday.

SEPTA remains locked in a lawsuit brought by PKF Mark III of Newtown, contractor for the Cobbs Creek project terminated by the transit agency last December.

Still unknown, Moore said, is whether the bonding company that insured the project will pick up SEPTA's costs for delays and unfinished work. Moore declined to put a value on those costs yesterday.

PKF Mark III contends that the transit agency persistently interfered with construction. SEPTA has countered that it sought to remedy serious safety concerns.

The bonding company "has yet to make their decision," Moore said. "We just have to wait."

Citing the lawsuit, PKF Mark III president Peter Getchell declined comment yesterday.

Meanwhile, Moore announced plans to close Market Street and detour up to 150,000 El riders onto buses for parts of the spring and summer.

Beginning May 31, SEPTA will close the 56th Street station until late November. Shuttle buses will transport riders from Upper Darby's 69th Street Terminal to the 40th Street station when the El shuts down on weekends in June.

The buses will also run for two nine-day shutdowns in July and August and serve riders who use the 56th Street Station.

West Philadelphia neighbors should brace themselves for dust, noise, traffic, and around-the-clock construction activity in the narrow, densely populated Market Street corridor, SEPTA officials warned at a news conference yesterday.

The shutdown will bring giant cranes and a hive of workers who will rebuild stations, cut down and remove the old El, and erect a sleek, single-column structure in its place.

"It will be noise, lights and dirt, 24 [hours a day] seven [days a week]," Moore said. "This is one of the largest construction projects in SEPTA's history."

SEPTA community affairs specialists will be in the neighborhood to give out information and help residents cope, said Frances Jones, the SEPTA official in charge of community affairs.

Telling neighbors now of El shutdowns to come, she said, "allows people to make decisions. They can go and stay with a friend... or take a vacation."

Despite the delays, a new El and the replacement of stations from 46th Street to Millbourne is still on track for SEPTA's original 2008 completion date, Moore said.

Work this year will stretch between 56th and 61st Streets. El trains will still operate from 52d Street to the eastern end of the line at the Frankford Terminal in Northeast Philadelphia, she said.
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Old May 8th, 2005, 03:21 PM   #2
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Good to hear of the expansion. Any maps?
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Old May 9th, 2005, 07:49 AM   #3
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Unfortunately, it is not an extension, they are rebuilding the Elevated line that already exists on Market Street in West Philly.
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Old July 6th, 2005, 09:44 PM   #4
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Philadelphia Public Transit

This wil be a thread to post anything you want that has to do with transit in and around Philadelphia.
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Old July 6th, 2005, 09:55 PM   #5
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http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?2,946156

Just remember what SEPTA stands for: the Society for the Elimination of Public Transportation Altogether.
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Old July 13th, 2005, 04:50 PM   #6
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Sorry for the pidgin, si i write in english and in french (correct my english please) :

I've read that there is two trackwidth on SEPTA system, and there was a trial for a ride with the same véhicle on the two trackwidth

J'ai lu qu'il y avait deux écartements différents sur les voies de SEPTA, et qu'il y avait eu un essai pour faire rouler un véhicule successivement sur les deux écartements.
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Old July 13th, 2005, 07:09 PM   #7
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SEPTA and it's service

As far as I'm concerned, SEPTA is a JOKE and an embarassment to the City of Philadelphia and the State of PA!!! There isn't any good service in this city as far as I'm concerned and the subway system only covers a small area of the city when it should really be covering all parts and the commuter rail doesn't even provide intercity service like NYC's commuter rail system. WE could've had the third-largest transportation system in America, but what we have now is half-ass service and a waste of taxpayers' money!!!
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Old July 21st, 2005, 11:09 PM   #8
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What a septa bus would look like if it was an Orion VI (this is really a GO transit bus)

Orion VI #9914 is masked as a SEPTA (Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority) bus. SEPTA provides service in the Philadelphia region. Their fleet consists of mainly New Flyer 40LFs, Neoplan and NABI buses; but no Orions (nor a bus numbered #2542). But the decals on "2542" looks quite realistic! No pictures for the curb side since it's just plain white.
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Old October 11th, 2005, 08:47 PM   #9
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Question about Philadelphias septa

http://www.onebigcampus.com/html/map_septa_large.htm




can anyone explain me what a regional line is ? the slim black lines ? i mean i understand philly got 2 subway lines so what is all those other lines in there ?
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Regional simply goes outside the city limits...into the immediate streetcar suburbs and beyond.
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Regional simply goes outside the city limits...into the immediate streetcar suburbs and beyond.
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so can you explain me the septas map, im planning to move to philly but i dont have a car i dont want to get out there and be stuck , it looks like there is good transportation but i mean how is it ? like those regional lines function as a normal metro line would ? like i can catch one and go to my friends house and so on like nothing ? why people say philly has bad transportation if i see all this lines
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I would think they're like a commuter train.
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Old October 11th, 2005, 11:09 PM   #13
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so can you explain me the septas map, im planning to move to philly but i dont have a car i dont want to get out there and be stuck , it looks like there is good transportation but i mean how is it ? like those regional lines function as a normal metro line would ? like i can catch one and go to my friends house and so on like nothing ? why people say philly has bad transportation if i see all this lines
There are over 150 bus routes in the city and suburbs

click on the lin in my signature to go to the page where there is an exstensive map of the septa system available for free downloads.

The Route 15 has just returned to a trolley from a bus route. It runs along Girard Ave by the zoo.

Red is the Patco which runs underground from center city, across a bridge, and then above ground to Lindenwald, NJ. Connects southern NJ to Philadelphia.

Brown are 101 and 102 that run in the suburbs from 69th street terminal to Sharron Hill (102) and Media (101)

Grey are regional rail trains that run from suburbs, airport, Wilmington DE, Trenton or West Trenton NJ to center city (Downtown) and back out to suburbs or another part of the city

Green are city trollies that run from City hall underground to the 40th street portal where they split off and run above ground.

Blue is the east west market frankford subway/ elevated that runs from 69th street to center city (underground) then elevated to Frankford Terminal.

Orange is the north-south subway from Fern Rock to Patterson (South Philly where the sports stadiums are). There are local, express to Walnut-Locust, and Broad Ridge spur trains which go to 8th/ Market in center city.




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Brown are 101 and 102 that run in the suburbs from 69th street terminal to Sharron Hill (102) and Media (101)

Grey are regional rail trains that run from suburbs, airport, Wilmington DE, Trenton or West Trenton NJ to center city (Downtown) and back out to suburbs or another part of the city

Green are city trollies that run from City hall underground to the 40th street portal where they split off and run above ground.

Blue is the east west market frankford subway/ elevated that runs from 69th street to center city (underground) then elevated to Frankford Terminal.

Orange is the north-south subway from Fern Rock to Patterson (South Philly where the sports stadiums are). There are local, express to Walnut-Locust, and Broad Ridge spur trains which go to 8th/ Market in center city.[/B]



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Regional Rails are like commuter trains. Like from the suburbs to center city. They are the same as main rail trains but smaller, lower capacity and not as busy as the main rail trains.
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Commuter rail, same as the LIRR in New York or Metra in Chicago. There are seven routes that run from one outer suburb, through downtown Philadelphia and then out to another suburb.

The fare system uses tickets instead of farecards like the city subway system.
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so phillys subway system is not bad at all man at 1st i thought it was just 2 lines, i allways hear people bash phillys public transportation, talking about it doesnt have enough lines for a city its size but from what i see , seems to me like is real good and you dont need a car
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so phillys subway system is not bad at all man at 1st i thought it was just 2 lines, i allways hear people bash phillys public transportation, talking about it doesnt have enough lines for a city its size but from what i see , seems to me like is real good and you dont need a car
Ths subway system is only two lines that run north-south and east-west, but there are so many other modes of Septa to choose from.
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Ths subway system is only two lines that run north-south and east-west, but there are so many other modes of Septa to choose from.

so those regional lines are connected to the subway system ? and lets say my friend stays in north philly and im coming from lets say the west side i can catch one of those Grey lines to get there ? like lets say take the blue line and switch to a grey line ?
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Regional rail and subways run on different tracks. At North Philadelphia station, you can switch between the Broad stree line (orange subway) to the regional rail trains (grey). You can also switch between market frankford trains (blue) to regional rail at 30th street station, 15th street for suburban station, or 11th street for the Gallery( Market East). If this is all confusing, please come visit the city soon.
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