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Old June 16th, 2015, 11:53 PM   #281
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The only agency with the right type of commuter rail EMU is NJTransit.

MARC could also provide some electric locomotives.

Coaches could come from NJTransit and Metro-North/ConnDOT. I'm not sure about MBTA or MARC.

Otherwise, only buses could be substituted. The subway, El, and Trolley lines are too incompatible. (though you COULD theoretically drag something in from Chicago for the P&W, it would be too difficult for one weekend).
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They could borrow some M8's , along with M4's/M6's....which are awaiting there death...in the scrap yard... NJT could spare some Bilevels for use on the Trenton and Wilmington lines...
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Old June 17th, 2015, 01:54 AM   #283
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They could borrow some M8's , along with M4's/M6's....which are awaiting there death...in the scrap yard... NJT could spare some Bilevels for use on the Trenton and Wilmington lines...
SEPTA has a lot of low-level platforms, so it can't use the New Haven line EMUs, which only work with high-level platforms. Not to mention the potential signalling issues.

And the Bilevels haven't been cleared yet-the clearance study is still underway.

I do agree that you could probably run Corridor semi-locals from Trenton to Wilmington with them, though.
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SEPTA has a lot of low-level platforms, so it can't use the New Haven line EMUs, which only work with high-level platforms. Not to mention the potential signalling issues.

And the Bilevels haven't been cleared yet-the clearance study is still underway.

I do agree that you could probably run Corridor semi-locals from Trenton to Wilmington with them, though.
If you ran through 30th Street via NEC than Bilevels wouldn't be an issue. I'm more worried about the reduced Urban Service which in my opinion is a huge mistake...
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Old June 23rd, 2015, 09:18 AM   #286
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Old June 23rd, 2015, 09:48 AM   #287
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I'm over a month late, but I visited Philadelphia for several hours. Few comments to make regarding the public transportation system:

1.Metro/subway system covers only a small portion of the city. No surprise there, but the big gaps in the system made the situation worse on the ground. I had to do tons of walking because of that in my time there.

2.The metro stations look very outdated like they haven't modernized in decades.

3.No direct connection to Market–Frankford Line at 30th station, which surprised me. You have to walk across the street to the station. And there was no signs leading to the station. The Suburban Station was better in that regard.

4.The metro has better frequencies than the DC metro.

5.I don't think I seen any trash in the stations, but again the very outdated looks made them seem dirty.

6.I didn't use any SEPTA buses, but I did use their downtown connector bus called PHLASH that connects all the downtown attractions. 15 minute frequencies, and the bus I was on was clean and modern. It only runs 10-6 pm however. I don't know if Philly has bus lanes or not.

7.SEPTA needs to increase frequencies of their commuter trains IMO.
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The West Terminal of 69th Street Terminal is closed for a major re-construction project. The buses that served it have been moved to the North, South, and a temporary Southeast Terminal for boarding. Trolley routes 101 and 102 have to run buses for the duration. Add in the NORMAL auto traffic through the intersection of 69th & Market... and you get this video.

Shot between 4:30 and 5:15pm, it is total mayhem!!
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I'm over a month late, but I visited Philadelphia for several hours. Few comments to make regarding the public transportation system:

1.Metro/subway system covers only a small portion of the city. No surprise there, but the big gaps in the system made the situation worse on the ground. I had to do tons of walking because of that in my time there.

2.The metro stations look very outdated like they haven't modernized in decades.

3.No direct connection to Market–Frankford Line at 30th station, which surprised me. You have to walk across the street to the station. And there was no signs leading to the station. The Suburban Station was better in that regard.

4.The metro has better frequencies than the DC metro.

5.I don't think I seen any trash in the stations, but again the very outdated looks made them seem dirty.

6.I didn't use any SEPTA buses, but I did use their downtown connector bus called PHLASH that connects all the downtown attractions. 15 minute frequencies, and the bus I was on was clean and modern. It only runs 10-6 pm however. I don't know if Philly has bus lanes or not.

7.SEPTA needs to increase frequencies of their commuter trains IMO.
1. There were plans to build a Roosevelt Boulevard Subway which would have serviced the Northeastern neighborhoods of Philly..but that plan is on hold for the foreseeable future. That fills in a huge gap in the Urban system. There are also plans to restore a few Trolley lines in the North , Northeast and Northwestern neighborhoods along with a New Riverfront system. Funding a major problem for SEPTA ,its just like Maryland and Baltimore.

2. It all comes down to funding...

3. There used to be a tunnel between the EL and 30th Street but it was closed due to safety issues..

4. I'm surprised DC doesn't have similar frequencies...given its higher ridership..

5. Can't comment on the trash situation...that might be a city responsibility.

6. Can't comment too much on the buses , as ive never used the system.

7. Agree , SEPTA needs to operate at least at 30min off peak...it does on the Thorndale & Trenton lines... It comes back funding issues...they need more equipment to be able to run more service.
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All aboard! SEPTA's regional rail lines carried record numbers
Regional rail ridership has increased by more than 50 percent from 1998, when there were 24.8 million trips, to last year's 37.4 million.

Systemwide, the authority's ridership on all modes of transportation of 330 million trips last year was about the same as the previous year.
Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20...FJv0AoYwm8G.99
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From Jarrett Stewart

Urban Trams


Route 10 Trolley turns at the Portal
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Route 10 inbound on Lancaster Ave
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PATCO


Lindenwold Station Patco
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Patco crossing the Ben Franklin Bridge
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Some SEPTA Bus & Trolley Photos from ExactoCreation


Septa PCCII 2320
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Septa Kawasaki Car 9049
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Septa Kawasaki 9039
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Septa Kawasaki Car 9076
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Old Septa sign at City Hall Station
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Septa NFI DE41LF
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New Philadelphia transport map on urbanrail.net:

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He should have listed all the Suburban Trolley routes...
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Indeed. He should make a new section for the light rail/trolley like he has for European cities.
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My bigger concern is that some of the names are misspelled, and the destinations on some of the lines is messed up.

Putting in all the stops on the surface lines would be an exercise in intense frustration and largely pointless. If you want them that badly, get the line schedules.

The Red Arrow lines are almost, but not quite as, bad.
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My bigger concern is that some of the names are misspelled, and the destinations on some of the lines is messed up.

Putting in all the stops on the surface lines would be an exercise in intense frustration and largely pointless. If you want them that badly, get the line schedules.

The Red Arrow lines are almost, but not quite as, bad.
Which ones are misspelled or messed up?
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Tracks from railroads' past seen as path to future.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/Tr...to_future.html
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First Quarter 2015 Daily Ridership numbers for Philadelphia

Source : http://www.apta.com/resources/statis...rship-APTA.pdf

Heavy Rail
Philadelphia / EL & Subway - 330,500 (2015)


Suburban/Regional Rail
Philadelphia Suburbs / SEPTA Regional Rail - 130,100 (2015)


Bus Ridership
Philadelphia / SEPTA Bus - 526,400 (2015)
(Trolley) Philadelphia / SEPTA - 21,600 (2015)


Light Rail
Philadelphia / Trolleys - 87,100 (2015)
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