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Old April 1st, 2011, 04:19 AM   #81
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Love the trolley lines that go out to the suburbs.
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Old May 8th, 2011, 07:43 AM   #82
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List of projects from Septa , DRPA , PPP's and state...for the next 20 years...funding is an issue , but that might change down the road...


Large Scale Heavy / Light Rail Projects

Project : Roosevelt Boulevard Subway
Number of lines : 1
Stations : 12
Projected Ridership : 90,000


Project : Naval Yards LRT
Number of lines : 3
Stations : 7
Projected Ridership : 25,000


Project : Waterfront LRT
Number of lines : 1
Stations : 12
Projected Ridership : 20,000


Project : MFL extension to RS line
Number of lines : 1
Stations : 2
Projected Ridership : 15,000


Project : Restoration of Trolley 56
Number of lines : 1
Stations : 22
Projected Ridership : 50,000


Project : Restoration of Trolley 23
Number of lines : 1
Stations : 15
Projected Ridership : 55,000


Project : Restoration of Trolley 103
Number of lines : 1
Stations : 9
Projected Ridership : 12,000


Project : Grays / Washington Ave Trolley
Number of lines : 1
Stations : 10
Projected Ridership : 60,000


Project : 22nd / Snyder / 6th / City Hall Trolley
Number of lines : 4
Stations : 20
Projected Ridership : 70,000


Project : City Branch LRT
Number of lines : 1
Stations : 9
Projected Ridership : 20,000


Project : Cross County LRT
Number of lines : 1
Stations : 12
Projected Ridership : 30,000



Project : Norristown HSL extension to KOP
Number of lines : 1
Stations : 6
Projected Ridership : 12,000


Current System....


Line : Market - Frankford line
Length : 12 mi
Stations : 28
Ridership : 180,000 > Projected 2020 Ridership : 220,000


Line : PATCO
Length : 14 mi
Stations : 13
Ridership : 38,000 > Projected 2020 Ridership : 50,000


Line : Board Street line
Length : 12 mi
Stations : 25
Ridership : 137,000 > Projected 2020 Ridership : 215,000


Line : Subway - Surface Trolleys
Length : 50 mi
Stations : 40
Ridership : 80,000 > Projected 2020 Ridership : 100,000

Line : Route 15 Trolley
Length : 9 mi
Stations :
Ridership : 10,000 > Projected 2020 Ridership : 15,000


Line : Norristown HSL
Length : 13 mi
Stations : 22
Ridership : 9,000 > Projected 2020 Ridership : 20,000


Total 2030 Urban Rail Ridership : 590,000
Total 2030 Light Rail Ridership : 459,000


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Is the R6 (what's it called now?) extension to Reading officially and completely dead now? I hear 422 is as backed up as ever during morning and evening rush.
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Is the R6 (what's it called now?) extension to Reading officially and completely dead now? I hear 422 is as backed up as ever during morning and evening rush.
The R6 is called the Manayunk/Norristown Line , and the Reading line along with the other proposed lines are not dead just not funded. Same with many SEPA projects.... They never die , just become shelved and gather dust due to Septa's bad funding.
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Old June 25th, 2011, 04:04 PM   #86
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Its interesting to see Subway - Surface ridership went from 80,000 in 2009 to 100,000 in Q4 2010. I'm eager see what happens by 2020 , the Smart card system might increase that by 2x.











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Do the background light and dark shadings indicate population/workforce density, do you know?
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Do the background light and dark shadings indicate population/workforce density, do you know?
The More Dense parts , keep in mind that isn't the Septa long term plan , the other map is.
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Old June 30th, 2011, 10:15 PM   #89
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A couple of months ago, a Philly youth told me that most of the backyard trolley routes have been decommissioned over the past several years. Is this true; what's going on?
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A couple of months ago, a Philly youth told me that most of the backyard trolley routes have been decommissioned over the past several years. Is this true; what's going on?
Yes they were , but they will all come back expect 2 lines by 2030....
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Old July 3rd, 2011, 10:56 PM   #91
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Aw. What was the authority's rationale for shutting them down? Did locals protest?
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Aw. What was the authority's rationale for shutting them down? Did locals protest?
There was alot of outrage , and there still is today.... They couldn't find the $$$ to upgrade them , so they were taken out of service intill the $$$ could be found. Route 15 was the first to be restored a few years ago , the 23 , 56 , and a few connectors will be next. TOD is planned along the corridors , and Urban Renewal is expecting to explode later this decade which will help the system expand....after the restorations. Septa plans on doing all of this between 2018-2027 , there will also be new Trolleys.
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A lot of this 'trolley line restoration' talk is all guess work. The 23, although very long and currently the busiest bus route in Philly, doesn't have a good shot of being restored simply because the roads the line runs on are quite narrow. Some of the streets it runs on are one way! One car parked on the street at an odd angle or double parked essentially shuts down the line. Buses are much more suitable for some of the narrow streets the line runs on because they can go around obstacles. The 15 has a much more suitable route for trolleys; the road is wide and the trolleys run down the middle of the street for much of it's length.

And we're talking SEPTA here. They 'suspended' trolley service in 1992 and sold many of the PCC cars to various transit companies in North America; 19 years later, they mention restoring service in another 10-15 years from now. Don't hold your breath.
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A lot of this 'trolley line restoration' talk is all guess work. The 23, although very long and currently the busiest bus route in Philly, doesn't have a good shot of being restored simply because the roads the line runs on are quite narrow. Some of the streets it runs on are one way! One car parked on the street at an odd angle or double parked essentially shuts down the line. Buses are much more suitable for some of the narrow streets the line runs on because they can go around obstacles. The 15 has a much more suitable route for trolleys; the road is wide and the trolleys run down the middle of the street for much of it's length.

And we're talking SEPTA here. They 'suspended' trolley service in 1992 and sold many of the PCC cars to various transit companies in North America; 19 years later, they mention restoring service in another 10-15 years from now. Don't hold your breath.
Its in the Budget for the 2018-2025.......buses aren't stimluting the growth ....like a trolley would. Ive talked to a few Transit fanners and they said Septa and the DOT are going to address the Narrow streets issue. Most Streets in SEPA are narrow.
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There was alot of outrage , and there still is today.
Good (I'd probably've cried had you indicated the opposite)!



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They couldn't find the $$$ to upgrade them.
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Tell me, are/were the backyard trollies and the streetcars one and the same, because a waiting Philly passenger firmly corrected my "streetcar" lingo, just as the tram appeared around the bend while she and I were waiting at the trolley stop & shelter behind somebody's backyard?

I swore to myself that, someday, I'd tour all the backyard routes there As an unsuspecting tourist, it was truly thrilling to stumble upon such a right of way (where else still has any, right?!?)
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Tell me, are/were the backyard trollies and the streetcars one and the same, because a waiting Philly passenger firmly corrected my "streetcar" lingo, just as the tram appeared around the bend while she and I were waiting at the trolley stop & shelter behind somebody's backyard?

I swore to myself that, someday, I'd tour all the backyard routes there As an unsuspecting tourist, it was truly thrilling to stumble upon such a right of way (where else still has any, right?!?)
The Tracks and wires are mostly there , just in bad shape.....they started replacing some a few years ago.... and on the Suburban Network the wires and crossings are being replaced. The Suburban network is similar to the network in Toronto....just in the Suburbans ,that feeds into 69th Street Terminal. Then theres a the Subway - Surface system that services the Western parts of Philly and connects that to the core. Then the last and currently out of service system services North Philly and the Core. The 69th Street system never reaches Philly.
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Hmm, no tram plies between backyards in Toronto (except for turn-arounds, I guess). So, do Philadelphians distinguish between street-running and backyard trams? What do they call the street-running ones?
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Hmm, no tram plies between backyards in Toronto (except for turn-arounds, I guess). So, do Philadelphians distinguish between street-running and backyard trams? What do they call the street-running ones?
Oh , must have been thinking of something else. They call them Trolleys for both , Subway - Surface for the Urban System and Suburban Trolleys..

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Hmm, no tram plies between backyards in Toronto (except for turn-arounds, I guess). So, do Philadelphians distinguish between street-running and backyard trams? What do they call the street-running ones?
Yea they're all called trolleys. If you want to be specific, as Nexis stated, the city trolleys are referred to as 'Subway-Surface' Trolley's and the suburban ones are 'Suburban' Trolleys. Back in the day, the Suburban Trolleys were called 'Red Arrows' after the company that used to run the suburban trolley network.
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Thank you.

So, is the suburban system the sort that runs between backyards?

I do remember the suburban system map representing nearly a dozen branches

(Strange that Toronto would sell itself as the N American city that didn't end up ditching its own city trolleys when both Philly and Frisco have trolleys plying their streets )
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